2005 UK General Elections

ozerkhalid #4

`` Let us refrain from “Eminemishly” tit-for-tatting at one another. Surely Chowk is too mature a forum for school-boy scoundrel antics to be deployed. Too facile a game to play. ``

You must be new !!!

`` Your maladroit history lecture suggests a 19th century Golden Age for Britannia, when, let me enlighten you, British dexterity flaunted its muscle in the 20th century !! Get those facts straight-wired into your cranium. ``

I have full admiration for the British for what they achieved even if they mistreated a few hundred million Third World people.

`` Your naïveté overlooks the verity that for every MG Rover there is an Enron Corp., Tyco International Ltd. and WorldCom Inc, degradingly entangled in accounting scrape despite the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

There exist a plethora of British firms who are fiscally sound, solvent, exhibit profitability, liquidity and a healthy capital structure. ``

For every Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing there is a Exon Mobil, Verizon etc. Those scandals occured prior to the enactment of the Sarbanes-Oxley act.

Name a top British technology firm - either in computers, semiconductors, capital equipment etc. Vodafone is the only decent name out there. Marconi is on the verge of bankruptcy.
Continental Europe has plenty - Ericsson, Nokia, Alcatel, Siemens, Phillips, BMW, Daimler, Volkswagen etc.

British military hardware - Harriers, Sea Kings, Tridents etc. are based on American military components.

cayenne`s basic point is still valid. If not for American politcal and military support UK would be completely irrelevant. He might not have been diplomatic about it.

Re: # 11

Theo Van Gogh,

You insolently pick on an entire Pakistani community residing in Birmingham based on a few mischievous misfits being convicted of electoral fraud and criminal activity regarding postal ballots. Clearly these misfits deserve sanctions.

However don’t simplistically over-egg the pudding by branding the “entire community” in Birmingham as “fraudsters”. Your labels and prejudices are all too transparent and do not hold sway amongst this audience.

Seems you crave the attention, so bask in your misplaced wisdom and cosmetic glory.

The crimson sun will set on its ubiquitous inequity.

labyrinth

[[I would also like to say that in this election specially the Pakistani Community played a very positive role and systematically voted for MPs who opposed war in Iraq and advocated for the solution of Kashmir cause.]]

Pakistanis in Birmingham have been responsible for the biggest electoral voting fraud in British history since Victorian times. That was the description of the judge who over saw the investigation of six Pakistani Kashmiri politicians in Birmingham recently who participated in a massive criminal attempt to fix voting in a council election using postal ballots, involving violence, intimidation and corruption on a massive scale. This is the greatest contribution Pakistani politicians in Birmingham have made to political life in Britain recently. Something to be proud of, indeed.

Incidentally, this has become a phenomena of Pakistani men being convicted of electoral fraud and criminal activity regarding postal ballots. I know at least two Pakistani politicians have been sent to prison in the last few weeks over this and the Kashmiris in Birmingham will be facing criminal charges too. It seems that whilst Pakistani voters have been acting on `principle` and worrying about freedom for Kashmir, other voters in Birmingham have had to worry about the corruption of democracy that has been taking place within certain sections of not so principled Pakistani politicians.

Birmingham hasnt been a safe ground for Labour merely because of the Pakistani community, those seats have always been solid Labour because they are working class constituencies in an industrial city. White, Jamaican, Sikh, Hindu, Irish, have all tended to vote Labour.

More on the electoral fraud commited by Pakistani politicians in Birmingham:

This is what the Judge had to say about the whole thing:

[[He criticised the government`s insistence that the current postal voting system was working, adding: ``Anybody who has sat through the case I have just tried and listened to evidence of electoral fraud that would disgrace a banana republic would find this statement surprising.``]]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4406575.stm

[[Respect`s candidate was Salma Yaqoob a lady which I hate to admire because of her bold stand against War in Iraq although she lost but took 10,000 of Labour`s precious votes from Sparkbrook Area of Birmingham]]

Respect are a party composed of the extreme left wing Socialist Workers Party and the right wing Muslim Association of Britain. Their bond is a hatred for America and Israel. Respect got lots of votes in a constituency made up of about 50% Kashmiris using the rhetoric of Jihad-lite, stuff the Hindus in Kashmir, screw the Jews, etc etc etc. Not a surprise that they got so many votes playing communal politics. I think we will see more of this kind of communalist politics in the future in Britain.

Britain is not new to communal politics, for so long Northern Ireland has been crippled by this kind of ideology. But until now, the mainland has been free of it. Not any more. Muslim communalism will be a political force to be reckoned with in those parts of the country with large Pakistani populations in the future.

Re: # 14

theo what do you feel should be done with pakistanis in britain ?

should they be deported ?

is that the assumption by you and the judge ?

This is what a local Pakistani man had to say about the importation of Pakistani style democracy into Birmingham, England:

[[He said local bigwigs had come into Asian homes, pressuring voters to cast their postal ballots in front of them - insisting they back Labour. ``This is the politics of Pakistan or Bangladesh and they`ve brought it here,`` he said]]

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/elections2004/story/0,14549,1237077,00.html

Re: # 15

Theo

what about communalism amongst hindus jewish and bengali contingencies ? surely those need to be taken into account ?

One more thing, further to my post suggesting that the future may well see the growth of communalist politics in constituencies with large Muslim populations. I hope this is not the case, but the signs are that this will be how things will pan out, and one thing is for sure. As all forms of communal politics involve the cultivation of hatreds, enemies, demonising and sectarianism, the rise of Muslim communal politics will mean bad things for the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and more generally, Multicultural life in Britain.

Re: # 22

A tinge? you obviously haven`t been on Chowk too long!

Some interesting trends in this election that I noted: The BNP has made significant inroads into the South surprisingly East London was where they did best..

Respect split the Anti Blair vote In Brummie land and other areas..which saved Labour in at least 6 or 7 seats..

Re: # 16

Arjun you observe

``Pakis lag behind hindus and sikhs in every field and your main issue is the war in Iraq and the Kashmir ``cause``

Do I detect a ``tinge of Hindutva agenda against Muslims`` ?

Re: # 16

Arjun

Truth be told the most famous Pakistani in Britain by far is Sir Anwar Pervaiz, a savyy businessman who went from rags to riches and stands as an exemplary benchmark for all South Asian aspirants on these shores.

#8 by labyrinth1 on May 8, 2005 3:21pm PT


the Pakistani Community played a very positive role and systematically voted for MPs who opposed war in Iraq and advocated for the solution of Kashmir cause.


Pakis lag behind hindus and sikhs in every field and your main issue is the war in Iraq and the Kashmir ``cause``....

you sure have your priorities in order.....

most famous indian in the UK: L.N. Mittal...most famous pakistani in the UK: omar saeed sheikh...now i wonder why that is...

Yup...the core issue for pakis in the UK..kashmir and iraq....

When Islam Breaks Down
Theodore Dalrymple

Oe sign of the increasing weakness of Islam’s hold over its nominal adherents in Britain—of which militancy is itself but another sign—is the throng of young Muslim men in prison. They will soon overtake the young men of Jamaican origin in their numbers and in the extent of their criminality. By contrast, young Sikhs and Hindus are almost completely absent from prison, so racism is not the explanation for such Muslim overrepresentation.

I took the Muslim vote for granted - but that has all changed

Roy Hattersley returns to his old constituency and finds a mood of defiance

Respect is what the Muslim community - more confident than ever before - demands. They are not sure that it is available within the present political system. And they are certain that the west`s war on terror has made its achievement far less likely.

Dr Naseem - a retired general practitioner, chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque and Respect candidate for Perry Barr - believes the attack on the New York trade centre was orchestrated by the CIA. Dawn, the mosque`s newsletter (distributed to the 4,000 worshippers who attend prayers each weekend) publishes what he regards as evidence to support that fantasy.

I hope Tony blair remains the PM for a while. Or atleast the Tories come back to power soon. About time another country other than USA needs to stand up against the Islamic fundamentalism...

Thanks,
Avkrishna

# 17

It`s satisfying to see Theodore Dalrymple, who gave every indication of being irredeemably disadvantaged in terms of intelligence, figuring things out, albeit slowly.


Theo

Hindus and Sikhs are the allies of Europe. They bring a wealth of experience that Europe does not have.