2005 UK General Elections

Re: # 41

Arjun

Of course you would not dream of giving an iota of importance to the thousands of innocent Iraqi mothers and children getting pillaged and slaughtered by foreign troops?
Surely more than a “tinge” of neo-fascism on your part amigo?

#29 by Saj1981 on May 9, 2005 6:02am PT


then came the breakdown into various national groupings....and the last 5-6 years especially has seen the rise of breaking down on religious lines...British hindus...sikhs...muslims..etc etc.


why is that surprising....most brit-hindus and sikhs don`t list the war in Iraq or support for jihad in Kashmir as their number one issue....

Re: # 47


For `theme ` clubs in Mumbai, `Olive` and ``Suzy Wong``...good music more western than desi.My favorites are ENIGMA, a night/dance club at the JW Marriot in Juhu.Rs.1000.00 entry fee, music is a mix of western and hindi pop and ATHENA,a lounge, restaurant, nightclub, and bar all in one, and the younger generation of Bollywood celebrities and models love to hang out here, so this is the place to hang with Mumbai`s trendiest. If one is gay , Voodoo is the main hang out.There are hundreds of bars/pubs and over fifty dance clubs in Mumbai , atleast.Some of the clubs, worth mention, and i`ve been to them , are FIRE AND ICE,INSOMNIA,RAZZBERRY RHINOCEROS(kinda named after my Mrs. when she`s dressed up to attend a wedding), and , VELOCITY.

In Colaba, CAFE MONDEGAR and LEOPOLD`s are for the social set.A little too trendy for me.Copa Cabana ia another place, quite desi-texmex though.These are the lounge bar`s that i like, tho` i`m not into lounge bars a whole lot.I`ll leave you with a quote from a famous person..... ``Nightlife in Mumbai provides an enthralling experience and that one could only understand by actually exploring it``.

Re: # 45

Cayenne,

Point taken with a pinch of salt. Since you do mention the industry i work in, that of night-life/entertainment, any suggestions on the hippest dance clubs in Mumbai ?

Re: # 45

cayenne are you attracted to this ozer or are you in rivalry ? you guys started lashing out at each other and now you are getting goose-bumps ? sarcasm surely ?

#37 by ozerkhalid on May 9, 2005 7:49am PT
Re: # 28

Cayenne
You are a living paradox. Yet again contradicting yourself.

ozerkhalid,

You`re giving me goosebumps talking to me like that!!!!.And, i`ve been in a slump ever since they closed the dance bars in Mumbai.You think i should see my shrink??.

Regards,

cayenne

Re: # 48

Vivek

With reference to your statement “But to vote for a party just because of their stand on Iraq instead of the things that affect your daily life, is carrying it a bit too far”

The lacunae in your reasoning are that motives to vote often get triggered by short-sighted self-interest. That is why Maggie, the Iron Lady, got sand-bagged after the poll tax fiasco. If only causes like Iraq took a more pivotal platform rather than self-interest, democracy would come of age and be in a hale and hearty state.

So is it ballots or bullets?

A stark reality: Too many bullets. Not enough ballots.

ozerkhalid,
It is ok to express concern for the situation in Iraq. But to vote for a party just because of their stand on iraq instead of the things that affect your daily life, is carrying it a bit too far. If I was a Brit, then I would have voted against Tony Blair only if there the British casualities were large, which has not happened.

Re: # 49

Van Gogh,

Your feudalistic mentality of stoking fire between Hindus and Muslims is stale.

It is precisely this rivalry-ridden lunacy which a portal like Chowk seeks to disparage.

Get your facts straight and stop waxing lyrical.

Ozer Khalid

But you didnt explain what the crimson sun was all about?

Ozer, pointing to the rise of communalist politics is not trouble making. That is the mentality of the ostrich with the head in the sand, shooting the messenger. Communal politics of the Respect kind threatens Multicultural amity, not me. Widescale election fraud threatens democracy, not me.

Saj1981

The process was started by the Rushdie affair. That is when the Asian community started breaking down into groups, because Muslims started priveliging their religious identity over their ethnic one. The impetus came from that. You cant blame this on colonial divide and rule...nobody is holding a gun to Pakistani`s heads when they say they consider their identity to be British Muslim rather than British Asian. It is their conscious choice. Now Sikhs and Hindus want the same. This is religious politics and communalism and its the future.

Re: # 51

Arjun, with typical neo-fascist rhetoric exhorts

“enough of the “oh we`re just driven by the sufferings of our fellow human beings already”

The above statement portrays your sentiments towards fellow human beings and speaks volumes of your lamentable attitude: Arjun why are you a character so impregnated with the heaviest chip on your shoulders? Lay it down.

Or it will ravage you into yet more hatred.

Stop trying to spin this forum into a hindu-muslim trash-fest. Grow up. That game has been played a million times before.

You carry on lifelessly lamenting

“When saddam hussein killed ``thousands of Iraqi mothers and children``, was military action to stop that killing the number one issue for brit-pakistanis?

Has your head been buried so deep in the Saharan sand that you did not take heed that Brit-Pakistanis, Brit-Hindus, Indian and Pakistani diplomats campaigned head-strong round the clock and relentlessly for years to push forward multi-lateral legislation against Saddam and his brutalities: to cite but a few concrete examples:

U.N. Security Council Resolutions 686 and 687, demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and renounce all involvement with terrorism.

Security Council Resolution 1373 unequivocally certified that Saddam continues to shelter and support terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments.

I sincerely hope that NO ONE in this forum slants toward sympathy for a vile tyrant like Saddam. At the same time WE have fundamental problems with unilateral “machismo” by the US Congress, pushing its beak into waters without the sanctity of international treaties under the mantle of UN auspices.

Arun and Theo Van Gogh, your facts on what stance “the majority of Indian and Pakistani citizens, whether of British background or not” took against Saddam is flimsy, and legally baseless. Please be informed before waxing lyrical.

Arun and Van Gogh, your feudalistic mentality of stoking fire between Hindus and Muslims is stale.

It is precisely this rivalry-ridden lunacy which a portal like Chowk seeks to disparage.

#46 by ozerkhalid on May 9, 2005 8:50am PT


Of course you would not dream of giving an iota of importance to the thousands of innocent Iraqi mothers and children getting pillaged and slaughtered by foreign troops?


enough of the ``oh we`re just driven by the sufferings of our fellow human beings`` already

When the pakistani army slaughtered millions of bangladeshis, was that the number issue for brit-pakistanis at that time?

When saddam hussein killed ``thousands of Iraqi mothers and children``, was military action to stop that killing the number one issue for brit-pakistanis?

No...? Didn`t think so....

Re: # 52

Aslam

By voting for the Liberal Democrats you, and thousands of others are garnering an evolution which will seismically stir Westminster-based politics away from its suffocating two-party stranglehold to a variegated three-party system.

Oxygenizing The Lords and Commons with pluralism.

ozer khalid good article and welcome to chowk

I myself was a lifelong supporter of labour this time i voted liberal democrats, mainly because of iraq war. we`ve been hearing for last 2 years that gordon brown will topple him, the problem is Blair is a slick oxford educated lawer he seems to have a talent of talking his way out of trouble,(unlike his tongue-tied buddy bush) he could sell ` ice to eskimos`.
I noticed this time he was keeping a low profile, i think it`s only a question of time before gordon topples him.

cayenne
Britain still has some of the best universities remember DNA was discovered here so was CLONING dolly the sheep.

I love that twisted logic..Pakis lag behind Hindus because ..(implied) they are Muslim..or too obsessed with Pan islamic causes..if that was so true..why are Bangladeshis in the UK at the bottom of the South Asian Socio-economic ladder? Bangladesh is a secular country and has not had a chronic rivalry with India either?

Selective application of evidence is a common nasty tactic of Islamophobes...

Re: # 64

Pakistanis outperform Bengalis and people of Afro-Carribean background..Pakistanis are outperformed by Indians ( regardless of whther they are Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs)..but Pakistanis do better when you exclude the Mirpuri community..

As far as the justification of the war..Saddam should have been toppled..but for the right reasons..what was done..in the end was purely for neoconservative idealogues...and one shouldn`t kid themselves into thinking it had any humanitarian motives..

Those who oppose Islamists should in fact have opposed the war..as a result of this war there is an Islamist wave sweeping the Arab world which is far more anti american...