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Fauzia’s Rejection

A Bismil May 18, 2005

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#65 Posted by amrita on May 18, 2005 11:47:09 pm
Jang - you got me! Never read that one. :( Tell me more if you find it.

RE: the general discussion - none of the truly progressive men [ i.e. men who didnt have to be convinced or converted to the idea that women have an equal right to things like dignity, sexuality, politics, reproduction, free will, etc] I have ever known have ever thought of themselves as ``progressive men``. They simply held those beliefs as part of who they were.

and the reason for that is their upbringing - not just the mom or the dad but the mom and the dad. Its all very well to blame one or the other and God knows there`re enough facts on both sides to support each claim but most kids learn from the example of both parents.
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#64 Posted by Romair on May 18, 2005 11:44:42 pm
``Fauzia stood in front a full length mirror, staring at her naked body. Her skin was a smooth mocha colored canvas of beauty on which were painted the dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery.``

Look, if you are going to start out a story, with such excitement, then could you extend and finish it with an equal amount of excitement..........What an anti-climax........

I think in Chapter 2, we need to find out how Fauzia discovers herself, a bit more..........for sociological reasons, of course............
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#63 Posted by SR on May 18, 2005 11:15:35 pm
The blame lies with the women

This is not the first time the subject has been raised on Chowk. The subject of continued treatment of our young women as if they were domesticated farm animals, raised on one farm only to be transferred to another farm to be settled so that they can begin breeding. This, of course, is the extreme model and then there are the milder varients where the owner afford some measure of latitude to the young woman so she can meet with the stud from the other farm before being committed.

It is a system that has been in place for centuries but the advent of the steam engine and gun powder started wittling away at it. Now a couple of centuries later this system is losing its grip but its still going strong in many societies. The modernists typically blame men, male dominance and patriarchy for the continuation of this system. I beg to disagree. Its the women themselves that are responsible for it. Why should the men change such a system which does not enslave them?

Its the mothers that are the banner carriers of this system. It is they who play the most pernicious role in perpetuating the model. They were treated thus, so they must in turn, ensure that the next generation fares no better.

Until the women wake up and refuse to go along nothing will change. Rights are never granted, they are fought for and earned.

Fauzia was a fighter. There need to be more Fauzias.

...SR
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#62 Posted by SR on May 18, 2005 10:56:15 pm
The blame lies with the women

This is not the first time the subject has been raised on Chowk. The subject of continued treatment of our young women as if they were domesticated farm animals, raised on one farm only to be transferred to another farm to be settled so that they can begin breeding. This, of course, is the extreme model and then there are the milder varients where the owner afford some measure of latitude to the young woman so she can meet with the stud from the other farm before being committed.

It is a system that has been in place for centuries but the advent of the steam engine and gun powder started wittling away at it. Now a couple of centuries later this system is losing its grip but its still going strong in many societies. The modernists typically blame men, male dominance and patriarchy for the continuation of this system. I beg to disagree. Its the women themselves that are responsible for it. Why should the men change such a system which does not enslave them?

Its the mothers that are the banner carriers of this system. It is they who play the most pernicious role in perpetuating the model. They were treated thus, so they must in turn, ensure that the next generation fares no better.

Until the women wake up and refuse to go along nothing will change. Rights are never granted, they are fought for and earned.

Fauzia was a fighter. There need to be more Fauzias.

...SR
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#61 Posted by terranova on May 18, 2005 10:33:21 pm
well well..

i see this articles kicked up quite the storm. seems anything that involves desi women and sex is a sure firestarter.

saminasha - what are you trying to prove by asking me what I`ve done to improve society? I didn`t claim anything. Even if I did, I don`t think I need to justify it to you.

Fauzia can make a change by not turning into one of those evil ``saas and nand`` combinatinos that so many women dread pre-marriage yet turn into themselves. Women themselves are mostly to blame for this societal aspect of our culture. I have yet to meet a pakistani guy who likes or purposely goes around rejecting girls on these dumb wife-finding trips.



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#60 Posted by cipram on May 18, 2005 10:04:50 pm
echoboom #57,
he,he , you always turn serious topic into a laughter.
thanx ,
with regards.
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#59 Posted by harish_hyd on May 18, 2005 9:11:22 pm
#29 by Saminasha

[There is NO way you can prove conclusively that the Pakistani marriage institute is overwhelmingly successful. That would entail exhaustive study-and you havent done it.]

Then how come you`ve taken all Paki men to be jerks? Did you conduct an ``exhaustive study`` too?
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#58 Posted by malik99 on May 18, 2005 8:43:46 pm
One way this story could have caused an impact were if it had ``And then she woke up.`` as the last line. That would have depicted the sub-consciousness of a girl who furiously dreamed of ``lashing back`` at her society.

However, I do see one aspect of our society, as depicted by this story, that is worth exploring: The over-emphasis, to the point of obsession, that Pakistani society places on marriage. This is obsession is so much so that a girl who for one reason or another does not end up getting married, is looked down upon, and considered something of a failure or a burden. Comments are passed. She feels out of place.

Perhaps Fauzia would not have fled the country if her society had given her the option of a respectable living as a single woman. It is clear that Fauzia did not flee the country because of her desire to get ``higher education``. In fact this story seems to suggest that Fauzia won, not because of her higher education, but because she managed to sleep around and score a John.

This story would have had some depth, and perhaps much more relevance to many Pakistani girls today, if it had suggested that even without getting married to anyone or sleeping around, Fauzia won by finding a MUCH more worthwhile cause (education, career etc) instead of being at the mercy of boys` mothers.

THAT would have given the REAL role model to Pakistani girls in the character of Fauzia!
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#57 Posted by echoboom on May 18, 2005 8:36:17 pm
Lara-Lappa Lara-Lappa

The first song where beautiful women use their feminine charming-ways to do adam-teasing: Now which man would not melt listening to such Killer-Beevees & not shower them with roses & diamonds


Lyrics , written in 1941.

only for nice giggle-giggle sweet beautiful girls of CHOWK:
Amazons, faminazis, battle-axes, dick-ban-dykes, and butch-bitches may read & listen but they are stricly forbidden to laugh while gritting & grinding their teeth.
..................................................................................................................................
Click & begin:

Lata:
lara lappa lara lappa layi rakhda (3)
aditappa aditappa layi rakhda
o dey kar jhoothe lare (2)
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

babuji ki baat nirali (2)
dil bhi khaali jeb bhi khaali (2)
o phir bhi akarR dikhaye
o babuji, phir bhi akarR dikhaye
o babuji, samajh na aaye re
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

babuji se maange paisey (2)
babuji bole: paise kaisey? (2)
jaa lein dein par khaak mohabbat paak!
barRaye farmaa gaye hain
len den par khaak mohabbat paak
barRe farmaa gaye hain
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Lata:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Lata:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
o dey kar jhoothe larey (3)
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

Lata:
aaj kal ke gentlemen (2)
rehte hain hardam bechain
khaali jeb matakte nain (2)
kaam kare na kaaj (2)
phir bhi akarR dikhaye
o babuji, phir bhi akad dikhaye
o babuji, samajh na aaye re
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

G.M Durrani: ( Male voice)
aaj kal ki naariyan (2)
hai muft ki bemariyaan, bemariyaan
raat din mardon se larRney ki
kareN tayyariyan, tayyariyan
(kaam kuch karti nahin
aur bandhti hain saarRiyaan) (2)

Male Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhdi, aditappa ... rakhdi
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
o dekh kar jhoothe lare
Male Chorus:
o dekh kar jhoothe lare

Lata:
fikr kyun karte ho saahib *(2)
yeh bhi kar dikhlayenge (2)
waqt aayega to is kursi pe hum
dat jaayenge dat jaayenge
Female Chorus:
waqt aayega to is kursi pe hum
dat jaayenge dat jaayenge

lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
lara lappa...

* Not echoboom saahib.
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#56 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 18, 2005 8:26:47 pm
Miriamk Sahiba,

Re:53

Not very many desi folk can digest the liberality of my thoughts. I do appreciate your candor.
Thank you.

I agree with you. In our culture i.e. South Asian; a woman is either a virgin or a whore.
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#55 Posted by mog on May 18, 2005 8:14:43 pm
Why did she marry a John?

From google-

Definitions of john on the Web:

toilet: a room equipped with toilet facilities
youngest son of Henry II; King of England from 1199 to 1216; succeeded to the throne on the death of his brother Richard I; lost his French possessions; in 1215 John was compelled by the barons to sign the Magna Carta (1167-1216)
(New Testament) disciple of Jesus; traditionally said to be the author of the 4th Gospel and three epistles and the book of Revelation
whoremaster: a prostitute`s customer
the last of the four Gospels in the New Testament
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

John is a common English male`s name. It is pronounced identically as the etymologically distinct name Jon, which is frequently treated as a variant spelling of John.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(name)

John (``Jack``) Russell, ``The Sporting Parson`` was an enthusiastic hunter and dog breeder as well as an ordained minister. He was reputed to be a man who enjoyed good living.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(%22Jack%22)Russell

A john (U.S.) or a punter (U.K.) is a male client of a prostitute, particularly in the case of street prostitution. Although these are slang terms, they are used by both prostitutes and police in their respective countries. Some male clients from the United States prefer to call themselves ```mongers``, short for whoremonger, a word that has expanded from its meaning of a pimp or bawd, who dealt in whores as a fishmonger deals in fish, to include anyone keeping the company of whores. Yet another
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(prostitution)

John (or O`NIELL) O`neill (VC, MM) was a Scottish recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(or_O%27NIELL)_O%27neill

(1.) One who, with Annas and Caiaphas, sat in judgment on the apostles Peter and John (Acts 4:6). He was of the kindred of the high priest; otherwise unknown.
christianity.about.com/library/weekly/blT0002000.htm

one of the twelve apostles and brother of James, son of Zebedee. He was inspired by God to write the fourth Gospel and the 3 letters bearing his name.
www.domini.org/word_of_life/gloss.htm

A person who patronizes prostitutes.
www.bdsmstore.com/glossary.html

(p. 371): Omitted are Constellations (anth 1980), which assembles juvenile sf, and Gollancz/Sunday Times SF Competition Stories (anth 1985), which he edited anonymously, assembling the best material from that competition.
www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Misc/sfec_e2h.html

Bowie`s friend and fellow musician in early collaborations with Bowie in the Buzz and Feathers bands. He played rhythm guitar on the Japanese Tour and on the 3 rd UK Tour.
www.5years.com/encyh.htm

Concise Encyclopedia Article Page 1 of 1
concise.britannica.com/ebc/article

(1792-1855) and Sarah “Sally” (Parker) Hall (1790-1859) were married in 1812 at Rich Square. John was the son of John and Miriam (Grant) Hall. He was born in 1792. Sarah was the daughter of Jeremiah and Keren (Newby) Parker. She was born in 1790 at Rich Square. In 1818 they transferred to Whitewater Monthly Meeting in Wayne County, Indiana. They were granted a certificate to Milford Monthly Meeting in Wayne County in 1830. There children were Martha (1812), Phinehas (1814), Robert (1817), Moses (1819), Sarah (1826), John (1828), and Joseph (1831). John died in 1855. Sarah died in
www.earlham.edu/~libr/quaker/parker/glossaryf-h.htm

(Lackland, Softsword), weak-willed and treacherous, but crippled from the start by inflation and baronial opposition to further taxation. Crowned with the support of the Norman barons against his nephew Arthur`s claims (by primogeniture), he became Arthur`s guardian. 2
www.bartleby.com/67/445.html

In the usage under consideration, this term refers to the fourth book of the New Testament, ``The Gospel according to John.`` He was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Christ. The significance of the asterisk in this connection is to indicate the characteristic manner in which references to the Bible are made. ``John 3:16`` designates the book (John), the chapter (3), and the verse (16).
answering-islam.org.uk/Testimonies/TruePath/glossary.htm

1. a policeman. 2. the toilet.
www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/j.php

English: from the Hebrew name Yochanan ‘Jehova has favoured (me with a son)’, [considerable other information given].
www.rushworth.com/wills/surnames/

Gale Reference Team
www.knowlex.org/lang/en/lexikon/Edwin_Lutyens.html

``Jehovah is a gracious giver``
utenti.lycos.it/foundfig/gloss.htm

c. 90–110. Brown does not give a consensus view for John, but these are dates as propounded by C KBarrett, among others. The majority view is that it was written in stages, so there was no one date of composition
www.smartpedia.com/smart/browse/Gospel

owner of Cockamamie`s collectible shop whose homosexuality upset Homer; voiced by John Waters
www.explore-art.com/arts_and_entertainment/O/One-time_characters_from_The_Simpsons.html
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#54 Posted by cipram on May 18, 2005 7:49:42 pm
Bismil,
you writing up to rejection is good except embarking on free and safe sex.
I am looking forward the day , when girls would be bold enough to simply reject the other party.Most of the girls have adopted the wrong way.First they get married and then after 2,3 months they leave the guy on the pretext of his simple.And some of them take revenge
by returning the ring next day.I think it`s the better option.son and his mother would be cautious next time.
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#53 Posted by miriamk on May 18, 2005 7:42:17 pm
ShoreSahib
# 43

Such enlightened ideas. Please keep them coming. They are an antidote to…well whatever it is that’s transpiring here.

How predictable and sad that a woman (in this case Fauzia) claims her identity (thereby her sexuality) and on cue enter modesty proselytizing mullahs and their smitten acolytes. But what I really find preposterous is that their argument is being peddled as anything less than a clarion call for patriarchy (as if it was in any danger of crumbling in the first place).

Shorejee, what to do…we are a repressed culture, which insists on categorizing a woman as either a virgin, or whore. And the rest of us who don’t conform to one of the two prescribed labels are to be relegated to the hinterland where we won’t cause too much of a ruckus!

Temporal
#49

:)…..I await with bated breath for “just for making me blush part deux”. After all, it’s
the chai scene. Does the girl come in, her heart aflutter in anticipation, trying to
precariously balance a chai ki tray? Does she then drop the chai ka cup on one
of the two of you? One can only hope ;).
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#52 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 6:28:28 pm
Echoboom Sahib,

For once I am in agreement with you. I am waiting for a heroine far more exciting than one that has the courage to practice self determination....I am looking for my muse-the desi woman who captures, interrogates, tortures and beats to death frothing fundos....that I think, would excite all of us literary types to no end...much better than mere sexual agency, dont you think?
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#51 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 6:25:24 pm
Raw Dust,

I`m quite fine, thanks. But Ammu, the protagonist was punished for daring to exercise her sexual agency. Roy created a more complex woman character that literally dwarfed her entitled and oily brother Chacko....as far as I`m concerned, Roy could die happy knowing her first novel is a tour de force.
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#50 Posted by subroto on May 18, 2005 6:02:17 pm
``She was asked out on many dates and went on many dates. She practiced safe sex and masturbated herself into climax regularly. She got a degree and a good job.``

More power to Fauzia but you don`t need to go to vilayat for that these days.
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