Fauzia’s Rejection

ZahraJ: Qays was a great man-- a pure lover--he saw in Layla the Divine...

anyway you made a mistake in your logic: there is only one shariah: it is not man made either but given by Allah who is Perfect to his Messenger who is also perfect.

:-)

Forget about the fourth, how about being the first ? ;-) [i assume you are single?]

Re: # 239

Malik sahib, I absolutely agree with you. It IS a silly line of logic - however, it is not my line...

nt sahib said on several occasions that he thinks Iran is the perfect place for Muslims and he gave a number of reasons for it [I have to confess I didnt read all of it, it was rather too long and since I am not a Muslim and dont feel like moving to Iran I wasnt esp interested]. He has also held forth stridently on the issue of good Muslim living [again, I am going by the size rather than the actual content - it is once again an issue I have next to no interest in].

Having observed all this and noting that nt sahib [who i assume is a pakistani or indian] chooses to live in a middle eastern Islamic country I have to wonder why he chose the middle eastern Islamic country that works contrary to his beliefs [conclusion drawn by having visited Dubai, Abu Dhabi and one more place whose name I can never remember ... I think the name starts with an F? ... in the UAE and with lots of family and friends - Hindu, Muslim and Christian - who live there in conditions very different from those advocated by nt sahib] rather than Iran, which he feels is the shining example of life as it should be lived.

Personally, I couldnt care less where nt sahib chooses to nest. But as a matter of logic I find it puzzling that when given a choice, he chose to go to the relatively decadent UAE than the purer Iran, which is apparently doing extremely well. Its plain old curiosity.

Post 238 to which you seek exception was in rebuttal to post 230. Context.

amrita # 238 asks NTsyed - ``I think you should leave UAE``

I have not been part of the debate on this board, so pardon me if it seems as if I am barging in. But this sentence of your caught my attention.

There has been this constant drum beat by certain folks on chowk asking chowkies with religious leanings to ``leave`` the place where they live currently. The first target of such argument were ``religious leaning`` (for the lack of a better word) chowkies living in US. They were advised that their arguments hold no water until they leave US and move to a muslim country. Now we have NTsyed, who IS living in a muslim country, and he is now being advised to move to ANOTHER muslim country!

For some reason, I believe that this line of arguments does not make sense. If a person`s argument can ONLY hold merit once his surroundings are in complete harmony with his philosophy, then I can bet that 99% of the world`s population should just shut up or find a place which is in accordance with their thoughts and philosophy.

Re: # 230

NT sahib, whenever Allah has tried to make you a better Muslim before, I`m sure He didnt come Himself and take you by the hand personally [if I`m mistaken, I am sure we would love to hear all about it]. Instead He must have shown you the way.

Now here you are, wanting to be a better Muslim and there is Iran, the nearest thing to the perfect (Islamic) living - pls understand I am going by your posts here, none of the Iranians i know, alas, share your conviction as they have been woefully brainwashed by whoever it is that is in charge of brainwashing in the west - and all the time you have to think about it and defend it and research it when it comes under attack by people like Samina, Hamidm, Temporal, etc.

How much more can Allah do for you? You are constantly thinking about Iran and Iran is constantly thinking about people like you too, I`m sure. I think you should leave UAE where they allow booze, women in scanty clothes, prostitution and interest banking.

Fauzia`s rejection is one of the most superficial artiles that i`ve read in quite some time.
The superior West comes to the rescue of poor Fauzia. But, of course, they had to a la
George Bush. They are always the true liberators. We should never have asked for
independence from the benign West and should have humbly remained slaves indebted to them. Maybe they would have been successful in civilizing us poor heathens. A. Bismil, i`m sorry but the sooner you get over your colonial hangover the better.

``Fauzia went back to the West and married John, who loved her for who she was: a dark, sexy, princess of the East.`` Wonderful. Keep sucking up to the West. Fauzia was everything a woman of the subcontinent is made out to be out there: mysterious, exotic, dark and sexy. We`re the sexy savages. This is one of the most degrading articles i`ve read in a long time.

John loved her and she married him. Apparently for Fauzia love is all about someone appreciating her body and sex drive. Good for her. She`s just living upto what women are portrayed to be more often than not in the media, i.e., sex symbols. Hopefully Fauzia`s marriage won`t end up in a divorce if John comes across an even sexier, exotic savage.

``She got a degree and a good job. She made herself happy. She was desirable and beautiful. Fauzia started loving herself.`` Beauty, sex and money is all that`s apparently needed to make one love oneself and be happy. Bismil just revealed the sercet of life and I am indebted to him/her. We need more Fauzias in this world to make it a better place. In the meantime, lets just not take any notice of poverty, illiteracy, dergradation of the environment, human and animal rights abuses, unfair trade practices and the millions of other problems ailing the world. As women, let`s just get oursleves a man from the West, blow up money and masturbate ourselves crazy. Way to go.

Of course Fauzia couldn`t have been indepenedent even after getting a much coveted western education for she needed a man to complete her. A civilized, western man. She needed John (and not Jahangir) to make her feel like a woman.

Bismil, maybe Fauzia got rejected not because she was dark skinned but because she was just dumb.

Listen i`m not denying the fact that we are a society obsessed with white skin and that women have to go through a lot of discrimination at various stages in life. But the shallow and patronizing attitude of your article is revolting.

#235:

[But I guess its all about sex as a woman once said to me that she is fine with all the work so long as she gets good sex every night.]

I hope she isn`t the same woman who shared with you the details on getting herpes from a Western Guy. By the way, did she leave him or decided to stay with him? I am curious, if you don`t mind.

[South Asian women are better off marying western men rather than South Asian men. ]

Why do you think that A.Bismal came up with the above? It`s so damn easy to take bits and pieces of an article and twist those bits to make your point and satisfy your ego.

How egotistical and sweet!

Note: I am still analyzing the topic under discussion therefore my post does not qualify to be considered a digression :)

It seems that the posts have now started to digress from the original theme. This article revolves around two things, one that it is all right for a woman to sleep around and two that South Asian women are better off marying western men rather than South Asian men.

A womans sexuality has nothing to do with sleeping around and being liberated has nothing to do with being promiscuous.

Most Indian and Pakistani women from affluent families are better off then their conterparts in the West and lead more comfortable lives. Think of the the western woman who has to get up early in the morning, make breakfast for the children, get them ready for school and then leave for work herself. In the evening she comes back home cooks dinner and helps the kids with their homework. But I guess its all about sex as a woman once said to me that she is fine with all the work so long as she gets good sex every night.

ntsyed,

.......... uae, eh ?............ do you realize that abu dhabi is one of the most sinful cities on earth - arn`t you afraid of divine retribution ?.............. you have a better chance of finding god in amsterdam or vegas !

ntsyed sahib:
ok. point well-taken.

just a question: do you think there is any State in the world today which in your opinion is similar to the Islamic State founded by Last Prophet in 1st Hijri?

My assertion originally was that a liberal democratic setup provides equal opportunities to the Individuals (irrespective of gender/race/religion) as compared to a state that draws its ideas of Justice from Muhammad`s Medinah State.
(i think, we disagree on this point)

many thanks.

Re: # 228

Miriamk,

No infatuation here, whatsoever. Gross unfair generalizations have to be responded thoroughly to keep the dumbos of the world from repeating their BS propaganda. You probably log on for some light interaction, so it`s not your fault if my interacts lose your attention. Thank you for enduring the one you did, though.

I`m much obliged for your compliment, even if you`re being cynical.

Amen to your last para.

:-)~~

Re: # 227

#227: ``He may be a pervert``

ZahraJ, in the name of Allah, the Oft Forgiving and Most Merciful: I Forgive You, Too!


:-)~~

Re: # 226

Amrita,

1 & 2. I go wherever Allah Deems fit for me to be a better Muslim, in every sense of the term.

:-)~~

Re: # 193

ShoreSahib,

I know I`m not a manifestation of Robin Williams. However, it`s not my fault if the Pakistani-Westerners are humor impaired and/or have fragile vanities.

If you read my post in question carefully, you will find that it is in line with miriamk and zahraj`s humor in response to proponents of polygamy. The only thing is, mine flattened theirs sooner and in an unexpected manner than they had expected.

No hard feelings, though.
:-)~~

Ntsyed Sahib:
#212

It is painfully obvious that you are infatuated with your verbal prowess. Honestly, I usually can’t manage to get beyond the first few of your sentences, but seeing how brevity is no friend of your’s, I managed to sit through #212.

Sir, you truly are a specimen!

Thank goodness for the discerning capabilities of our women that some of them still manage to find upstanding men in a culture that is so sadly blighted.

Re: # 220

Samina,

I don`t think we need to conduct any polls sholls. I do think we need to develop the basic decency of treating interactors on an equal basis. With due respect, no man (maulvi/mevlana/phd/good for nothing) can make a woman feel bad for who she is, provided she knows where she stands. I won`t give a penny`s attention to the person you are wasting your time with. He may be a pervert. Please be on your guard.

Re: # 221

Why are you in UAE rather than Iran? I mean, its doing really well and its more Islamic than UAE, right?

[that comes across as 2 questions, but the 2nd one is rhetorical]