Fauzia’s Rejection
A Bismil May 18, 2005
#205 Posted by ntsyed on May 22, 2005 2:17:42 am
Re: #196-200 & 203
#196: hamidm
quit making lame excuses of the sorriest kind like perpetually bonded ghulam of the farangi sarkar...but then again you may already have relinquished that right to please your sarkar. However, the answer is provided in #183: Still, being aik he thali k chattay-battay, you can read my response to Samina-haye-mein-mer-gaee-sha and you shall have yours too.
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#197: Sumo Sahiba
How come still there`s no commitment from your ilk to actually DO something to help the oppressed Pakistani women beyond YappING?
Your elusive delineated detractor in the sand to cover the lousy records of the progressive kind have been answered numerous times for the intellectually constipated westernized morons. There has yet to be a reprisal, threat, etc by the religious elements against feminine processions demanding their ``rights`` for Pakistani women at large - not just for the lard-assed ``liberals`` to walk around half-naked or bounce around their fatty anteriors and posteriors all over towns and cities to prove to the cognizant populace that they too have T&A and are available with minimum effort of brandishing a glass of wine or a weapon to access their VAT. Otherwise, provide stats, or direct us to these, to prove your claim.
The mixed marathon bit by the HR, AJ, HJ et al was to provoke the modesty of the masses - men and women; and then they cry foul when their provocation yeilded more forceful retaliation than their alcoholically numbed brains could anticipate.
Meanwhile, the self-proclaimed desan infestation of feminazi Sumo hot-air balloon with abundant ``intellectual integrity`` has yet to answer the simple question: where the heck were Asma Jahangir & co when Mukhtaran Mai`s criminals of the fuedal lords class were aquitted by the secular court two years after shari`ah court had condemned them to death?
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#198: Sumo Mame
Still no commitment from you to actually DO something to help the oppressed Pakistani women beyond YappING, and counter mullah Edhi and others of his ilk
As for stats, Google it out or visit the Dept of inJustice-USA, dumbo!
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#199: hamidm
Read my post (#195) again and process the text with your brain; I never said the Pakistani women at large have it better than the western. The reference was to the delusional prematurely menopaused chowk feminazis.
50% of pakistani women are extremely unhappy with their idiotic husbands and would divorce them if they could ......... wher did i get that from ?......... it is based on my personal observation which, in the absence of any scientific data, is perfectly sound .........
Must be very personal .... let`s just leave it at that. While you have successfully embarrassed yourself, let`s not embarsass your proteges. lol
correlation between religiosity and misogyny
First of all, if your gringo mastas failed to teach you, the first burden of proof is on the one who makes the allegation or claim. Then based on that the others could either disprove the allegation or claim, or stand guilty.
But being a free man, thus younger to you in stupidity, I`ll make an exception. If Islamic religiosity and mysogyny were correlated, why would there be any rights for women in the Islam as per Quran and sunnah?
Secondly, if most religious men
a) were impotent: then Allah would not need to restricted men to take no more than four wives. Today there wouldn`t be millions of jihadis worldwide.
People who relate the lowered gazes of the accused as impotency are intellectually frustrated, physically insecure and emotionally unstable who find respite in displaying their ASSets or gawking at others` ASSets. They are perfectly OK with others drooling at their mothers`, sisters`, wive`s and daughers` endowments in full public view. In other words, The BEGHAIRATS.
b) harbored homosexual feelings: if that was the case, at the minimum Allah would have allowed sodomy with the wives instead of making it HARAM for His obedient servants. Not to mention He would have provided the women and fags with vagina like attributes so they could enjoy too, because Allah wishes for an easy life for mankind.
On the other hand, decreasing number of children per secular nuclear family in the non-Islamic and westernized Muslim families hint at possible infertility factor amongst their men and women vis-a-vis impotence and menopause.
In terms of homosexuality...well like the western woman jokes, all good men are either handicapped or fags. lol
By the way, as a self-proclaimed westernized intellectual, you shouldn`t be homophobic...it`s so politically incorrect.
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#200: Raw_Dust
O Dusty one, NO ONE denies there are more than our share of human rights violations in all segments and by everyone. But when has Pakistan ever had a true Shari`ah govt? or the one controlled by the Mullahs? More importantly, who`s running the judiciary, law enforcement, armed forces, etc: the mullahs OR the feudal-gora-k-chamchay-nut-cases?
FYI, I DEFINITELY, not probably, call the HRCP a western/jewish/zionist/RAW agency...ESPECIALLY after they couldn`t, wouldn`t, and didn`t do SHI T when Mukhataran Mai`s criminals were aquitted and Shari`ah court`s verdict was turned upside down and inside out to reverse a rare instance of justice in Pakistan. Their primary objective is to distort and modify Islam to facilitate western and non-muslim hegemony in the region.
That was a golden opportunity to stop such heinous crimes in the generally corrupt fuedal system of Pakistan, either by the Shari`ah or the secular court. But HRCP and all such groups and individuals sat in their toilets straining loudly to relieve themselves of their intellectual constipation stuck midway and hoping the uproar by the religious masses would drown their impotent activism.
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#203: ZahraJ
ZahraJi,
Was this ``wise`` woman out of her Prozac prescription when she said that? lol
#196: hamidm
quit making lame excuses of the sorriest kind like perpetually bonded ghulam of the farangi sarkar...but then again you may already have relinquished that right to please your sarkar. However, the answer is provided in #183: Still, being aik he thali k chattay-battay, you can read my response to Samina-haye-mein-mer-gaee-sha and you shall have yours too.
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#197: Sumo Sahiba
How come still there`s no commitment from your ilk to actually DO something to help the oppressed Pakistani women beyond YappING?
Your elusive delineated detractor in the sand to cover the lousy records of the progressive kind have been answered numerous times for the intellectually constipated westernized morons. There has yet to be a reprisal, threat, etc by the religious elements against feminine processions demanding their ``rights`` for Pakistani women at large - not just for the lard-assed ``liberals`` to walk around half-naked or bounce around their fatty anteriors and posteriors all over towns and cities to prove to the cognizant populace that they too have T&A and are available with minimum effort of brandishing a glass of wine or a weapon to access their VAT. Otherwise, provide stats, or direct us to these, to prove your claim.
The mixed marathon bit by the HR, AJ, HJ et al was to provoke the modesty of the masses - men and women; and then they cry foul when their provocation yeilded more forceful retaliation than their alcoholically numbed brains could anticipate.
Meanwhile, the self-proclaimed desan infestation of feminazi Sumo hot-air balloon with abundant ``intellectual integrity`` has yet to answer the simple question: where the heck were Asma Jahangir & co when Mukhtaran Mai`s criminals of the fuedal lords class were aquitted by the secular court two years after shari`ah court had condemned them to death?
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#198: Sumo Mame
Still no commitment from you to actually DO something to help the oppressed Pakistani women beyond YappING, and counter mullah Edhi and others of his ilk
As for stats, Google it out or visit the Dept of inJustice-USA, dumbo!
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#199: hamidm
Read my post (#195) again and process the text with your brain; I never said the Pakistani women at large have it better than the western. The reference was to the delusional prematurely menopaused chowk feminazis.
50% of pakistani women are extremely unhappy with their idiotic husbands and would divorce them if they could ......... wher did i get that from ?......... it is based on my personal observation which, in the absence of any scientific data, is perfectly sound .........
Must be very personal .... let`s just leave it at that. While you have successfully embarrassed yourself, let`s not embarsass your proteges. lol
correlation between religiosity and misogyny
First of all, if your gringo mastas failed to teach you, the first burden of proof is on the one who makes the allegation or claim. Then based on that the others could either disprove the allegation or claim, or stand guilty.
But being a free man, thus younger to you in stupidity, I`ll make an exception. If Islamic religiosity and mysogyny were correlated, why would there be any rights for women in the Islam as per Quran and sunnah?
Secondly, if most religious men
a) were impotent: then Allah would not need to restricted men to take no more than four wives. Today there wouldn`t be millions of jihadis worldwide.
People who relate the lowered gazes of the accused as impotency are intellectually frustrated, physically insecure and emotionally unstable who find respite in displaying their ASSets or gawking at others` ASSets. They are perfectly OK with others drooling at their mothers`, sisters`, wive`s and daughers` endowments in full public view. In other words, The BEGHAIRATS.
b) harbored homosexual feelings: if that was the case, at the minimum Allah would have allowed sodomy with the wives instead of making it HARAM for His obedient servants. Not to mention He would have provided the women and fags with vagina like attributes so they could enjoy too, because Allah wishes for an easy life for mankind.
On the other hand, decreasing number of children per secular nuclear family in the non-Islamic and westernized Muslim families hint at possible infertility factor amongst their men and women vis-a-vis impotence and menopause.
In terms of homosexuality...well like the western woman jokes, all good men are either handicapped or fags. lol
By the way, as a self-proclaimed westernized intellectual, you shouldn`t be homophobic...it`s so politically incorrect.
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#200: Raw_Dust
O Dusty one, NO ONE denies there are more than our share of human rights violations in all segments and by everyone. But when has Pakistan ever had a true Shari`ah govt? or the one controlled by the Mullahs? More importantly, who`s running the judiciary, law enforcement, armed forces, etc: the mullahs OR the feudal-gora-k-chamchay-nut-cases?
FYI, I DEFINITELY, not probably, call the HRCP a western/jewish/zionist/RAW agency...ESPECIALLY after they couldn`t, wouldn`t, and didn`t do SHI T when Mukhataran Mai`s criminals were aquitted and Shari`ah court`s verdict was turned upside down and inside out to reverse a rare instance of justice in Pakistan. Their primary objective is to distort and modify Islam to facilitate western and non-muslim hegemony in the region.
That was a golden opportunity to stop such heinous crimes in the generally corrupt fuedal system of Pakistan, either by the Shari`ah or the secular court. But HRCP and all such groups and individuals sat in their toilets straining loudly to relieve themselves of their intellectual constipation stuck midway and hoping the uproar by the religious masses would drown their impotent activism.
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#203: ZahraJ
ZahraJi,
Was this ``wise`` woman out of her Prozac prescription when she said that? lol
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#203 Posted by ZahraJ on May 21, 2005 6:32:05 pm
A wise woman once said that...
A Woman should have at least 4 men in her life. As a rule, the number should increase vs. decrease.
- One for romance;
- One for camaraderie and compatability;
- One for taking care of household chores; and
- One for making love and baby(ies).
Now, if she finds one man with all these attributes then she should dump him and never look back. The 4-in-1 combination can be manipulative and dangerous.
A Woman should have at least 4 men in her life. As a rule, the number should increase vs. decrease.
- One for romance;
- One for camaraderie and compatability;
- One for taking care of household chores; and
- One for making love and baby(ies).
Now, if she finds one man with all these attributes then she should dump him and never look back. The 4-in-1 combination can be manipulative and dangerous.
#200 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 21, 2005 3:51:03 pm
hamidm:
not only that.. majority of the organized-religous cults were unleashed upon humanity by schizo men.
and by the way, ntsyed: do you know the extent of (unprosecuted)human rights abuse found in the limited stats that Human Rights Commission of Pakistan can pull through every year? you dont need to answer it though. as you would probably call HRCP a western/jewish agency.
not only that.. majority of the organized-religous cults were unleashed upon humanity by schizo men.
and by the way, ntsyed: do you know the extent of (unprosecuted)human rights abuse found in the limited stats that Human Rights Commission of Pakistan can pull through every year? you dont need to answer it though. as you would probably call HRCP a western/jewish agency.
#199 Posted by hamidm2 on May 21, 2005 3:41:39 pm
ntsyed,
...... you talk about statistics that prove that the pakistani woman has it better than women in the west ...... since when did pakistan start keeping any kind of staitistics ?....... so if there are any staitistics they are bound to be from the west with nothing to compare them with from the other side ............ here is a statistic for you : 50% of pakistani women are extremely unhappy with their idiotic husbands and would divorce them if they could ......... wher did i get that from ?......... it is based on my personal observation which, in the absence of any scientific data, is perfectly sound .........
.......... and here is another scientific fact for you : there is a direct correlation between religiosity and misogyny because most religious men are either impotent or harbor homosexual feelings ........ now try to prove that wrong !
...... you talk about statistics that prove that the pakistani woman has it better than women in the west ...... since when did pakistan start keeping any kind of staitistics ?....... so if there are any staitistics they are bound to be from the west with nothing to compare them with from the other side ............ here is a statistic for you : 50% of pakistani women are extremely unhappy with their idiotic husbands and would divorce them if they could ......... wher did i get that from ?......... it is based on my personal observation which, in the absence of any scientific data, is perfectly sound .........
.......... and here is another scientific fact for you : there is a direct correlation between religiosity and misogyny because most religious men are either impotent or harbor homosexual feelings ........ now try to prove that wrong !
#198 Posted by Saminasha on May 21, 2005 1:45:30 pm
Nyet Sahib,
``The westernized ladies here have it good wherever they are, but by and large western woman is much more, exploited, abused, raped, killed, and what have you than the Pakistani woman. I have seen it first hand, and there are statistics available that endorse my observation.``
Provide the stats, jackass.
``The westernized ladies here have it good wherever they are, but by and large western woman is much more, exploited, abused, raped, killed, and what have you than the Pakistani woman. I have seen it first hand, and there are statistics available that endorse my observation.``
Provide the stats, jackass.
#197 Posted by Saminasha on May 21, 2005 1:43:58 pm
So is NyetSahib the latest manifestation of Echoboom? He seems handicapped in the intellectual integrity department...and can`t seem to answer very clearly delineated questions....
#194 Posted by slan on May 21, 2005 1:03:25 pm
I would like to add here that another reason polyandry was not allowed in Islam is that it would have been impossible to confirm who the father was.Even the mother would not be able to tell.
The problems being discussed here have their root in the society, local customs and culture rather than religion.
The problems being discussed here have their root in the society, local customs and culture rather than religion.
#202 Posted by ZahraJ on May 21, 2005 5:33:55 pm
Re: # 194
Slan:
Women ought to have options in life. When men don`t truly follow the religion they like to preach to women then it`s pretty hypocritical.
Slan:
Women ought to have options in life. When men don`t truly follow the religion they like to preach to women then it`s pretty hypocritical.
#204 Posted by slan on May 21, 2005 11:29:35 pm
Re: # 202
Zahara J
While agree that women in the subcontinent need upliftment,I dont agree with the author that promiscuity and marrying Jhons and James` is the answer.Post #168 echos my thoughts.I dont understand what sleeping around and promiscuity has got to do with womens sexuality.It is primal behaviour and wrong irrespective of gender(For those with the faith).
Zahara J
While agree that women in the subcontinent need upliftment,I dont agree with the author that promiscuity and marrying Jhons and James` is the answer.Post #168 echos my thoughts.I dont understand what sleeping around and promiscuity has got to do with womens sexuality.It is primal behaviour and wrong irrespective of gender(For those with the faith).
#206 Posted by ZahraJ on May 22, 2005 5:08:18 am
Re: # 204
I am not in favor of falling for Johns and James, but I do find Philips, Timothys, Bills, and Bobs worth looking into :)
I am not in favor of falling for Johns and James, but I do find Philips, Timothys, Bills, and Bobs worth looking into :)
#219 Posted by ZahraJ on May 22, 2005 10:57:03 am
Re: # 213
Slan,
Thank you for a touching gesture. I appreciate that.
:)
Slan,
Thank you for a touching gesture. I appreciate that.
:)
#193 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 21, 2005 12:42:37 pm
Re:191
Dearest NT:
The problem with your humor honey, is that only you are laughing. Making fun in a derogatory fashion is what you call Humor. I am sorry to inform you, it might fly in your neck of the woods, but for us unenlightened folk, We just dont get it.
Perhaps you are funny in person, but that is yet to be proven.
I never claimed to be enlightened. Allah, Such Kufr!
Dearest NT:
The problem with your humor honey, is that only you are laughing. Making fun in a derogatory fashion is what you call Humor. I am sorry to inform you, it might fly in your neck of the woods, but for us unenlightened folk, We just dont get it.
Perhaps you are funny in person, but that is yet to be proven.
I never claimed to be enlightened. Allah, Such Kufr!
#229 Posted by ntsyed on May 22, 2005 1:18:06 pm
Re: # 193
ShoreSahib,
I know I`m not a manifestation of Robin Williams. However, it`s not my fault if the Pakistani-Westerners are humor impaired and/or have fragile vanities.
If you read my post in question carefully, you will find that it is in line with miriamk and zahraj`s humor in response to proponents of polygamy. The only thing is, mine flattened theirs sooner and in an unexpected manner than they had expected.
No hard feelings, though.
:-)~~
ShoreSahib,
I know I`m not a manifestation of Robin Williams. However, it`s not my fault if the Pakistani-Westerners are humor impaired and/or have fragile vanities.
If you read my post in question carefully, you will find that it is in line with miriamk and zahraj`s humor in response to proponents of polygamy. The only thing is, mine flattened theirs sooner and in an unexpected manner than they had expected.
No hard feelings, though.
:-)~~
#192 Posted by temporal on May 21, 2005 12:41:11 pm
miriam:
who burns in hell and who does not?
hmmmm...
that decision can only be taken by Her...not by any of these usual suspects :)
who burns in hell and who does not?
hmmmm...
that decision can only be taken by Her...not by any of these usual suspects :)
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