Fauzia’s Rejection

Re: # 307

Amrita,

outbound/inbound traffic - perhaps you should assess the essence of this point in my post again.

1- it is possible that you never met anyone going to Iran because they are on the other side of the road, i.e. outbound traffic, TO Iran, i.e. you may be on the wrong side of the tracks to find the people who wish to live in Iran, or at least facing the wrong way and hoping someone will bump into you from behind.

2- it is common for every country to have a segment of population that does not like the system, vis-a-vis the Iranians you know. They have their ilk in Pakistan, India, KSA, et al. ``Progressives``, ``liberals``, ``democrats`` and ``chalabis`` are but different names of these groups. As for why the Iranian kind of this bunch doesn`t want to go back to Iran, only Allah knows best, but their stories (true or false) certainly seem to justify their move.

You may even find some Americans or Britons or Autralians who would claim ``people vanishing in the night, about a lack of freedom, about a lack of opportunity, about a country and a people who are slowly petrifying``; especially since 9/11. And these may not necessarily Muslims/Arabs/Pakistanis.

Mecca/Medina - that`s what I`m saying dear; that I don`t just want to ``visit`` there. You`re assuming the case to be just a visit. By Allah`s graces, I`ve done that already. I wish to live and be buried there - as close as possible to the center of the earth, the Ka`aba, or as close as possible to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his family and companions (Allah is pleased with them); regardless of rulers, rules, or anything mortal.

Indeed, Allah helps those who help themselves, and insha Allah He will help me establish myself there one day.

As for your lil digression - that`s what I`ve been saying all along: I`m making efforts to go to Makkah/Madinah and looking out for the ``boat`` that`ll carry me there.

Please feel free to let me know if you need further clarification.

:-)~~

ntsyed,

........ you really are a piece of art ! ...... just because you have made peace with your god and are feeling smug about having lined up forty buxom houris, or ten pretty boys, does not mean that you should go around abusing people who don`t share your jihadi fervor ......... why don`t you go down to the cyclone club and see if you can find a nice russian or iranian girl to calm you down - i am sure you have taken many clients to that place ........

Re: # 283

hamidm saheb,

Looks like at your age your memory doesn`t serve you as it should.

As in my interactions with you, I never fire the first shot. But, to expect that one`s opponent cannot respond his/her wise-ass remarks is his/her own folly.

If you notice the entire thread on this board, I consistently kept forgiving people for repeated unawrranted offenses of the ``progressive`` kind. But you have to understand that there`s always a line that must not be crossed lest a retaliation is provoked.

Nice try on your part, though.

Considering your frail disposition, I`ll overlook the last couple of remarks in your post.

Re: 278

NtSyed Sahib,

My grandmother used to say,
Handiya sey Dhakna Utha aur Kuttay ki Zaat pehchani gayi.

The lid from the Pot came off and the Dog revealed his nature.

I think this says it all. What can I say?

Re: # 282

SS,

To her devastating dismay, in your case she seems to have been revealed to more than she had hoped for.

;-)~~

Temporaljee, ShoreSahib:

Out of the deepest regard for both of you, please don’t take this man’s bait. Forget it. The two of you are in an entirely different league of men and you shouldn’t even dignify anything with a comment. Honestly, I can’t even bear to read this stuff. I’m sitting here aghast!

rgds
Miriam

#277:

* what do you think of muslims who do not read arabic, nor understand it, nor follow qur`anic guidelines in spirit going on a rampage?

They`re a million times better than murtads who never read a word of Quran and seek to change it. They are more dearer to Allah for taking a stand in spite of being faced with most advanced militaries, than the murtads who whimper away with their tails tucked between their shivering legs.

now read your own answer and do the LOL bit and ROFTL too...


** is suicide bombing allowed in the qur`an?

you still do not have the courage of your misplaced convictions to give an honest straight forward answer...

now repeat the LOL and ROFTL bit

after you have calmed down check out the qur`an 004.093

YUSUFALI: If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.
PICKTHAL: Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.
SHAKIR: And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.

now, i would NOT suggest the same LOL remedy...out of respect for the qur`an...

rgds

t

Re: # 279 by temporal

#1- now read your own answer and do the LOL bit and ROFTL too...

LOL ...are you sure underlined the sentence you wanted to? May be your hands are shaking too much out of hapless seething........ROTFL (sorry, can`t help it)

Let me help you....again (rolling my eyes):

What makes you think that YOU are following the Quran in ``spirit``?

For those you mention, disprespecting Allah, or anything to do with Allah, is more infuriating than if they are personally disrespected....regardless of whether they can read arabic/urdu/english or any language, or not.

More likely than not, they do not have an opportunity to do so, i.e. read, for any number of reasons in a blighted war-ravaged country. On the other hand, what excuse do you have to follow the Quran in ``selective spirit``?

Anyway, that`s why they are a million-times dearer to Allah than the ``murtads`` who renege on their pledge to Allah.

That`s why they are a million-times dearer to Allah than ``munafiqun`` who break their pledge to Allah but remind and expect of Him to keep His.


#2- now repeat the LOL and ROFTL bit

Read the following, take a deep breath, and weep harder:

The answer has been given numerous times on another board, i.e. ``it`s an inherently flawed question as it excludes the authentic ahadith``. Therefore, a flawed question can only be corrected; not answered until it is corrected.

Following the answer on the other board, your position on the Prophet (pbuh) and his authentic ahadith was asked to be clarified. Consistently you seem out of any words in that respect.

Read, take deep breaths, and weep heartily again.

I`m well aware of the translations you`ve posted. Apparently the following is very advanced stuff for you, but since you`ve asked for it....

The hallmark of unbelievers, disbelievers, non-believer, and selective believers is to seek shelter in quranic verses when their mischief is exposed and paid attention to.

More often than not, the verses they quote are out of context.

More often than not, they quote verses for specific situations and seek a blanket interpretation that would maintain their confortable ``gray zone``; and vice versa

In this case, all these verses are referring to law & order viz murder when there`s no struggle to counter an end the unwarranted oppression like the ones ongoing in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

ntsyed sahib:
thanks alot for the detailed reply. Islam`s way of life as professed and embodied by the Last Prophet is totally different from a liberal democratic setup. All those arguments have been delineated and gone over many times - so i find it not surprising that we have a fundamental disagreement on who is the Ultimate source of Power.

For Mohammad`s system/Islam - it is God (which you allude to the Higher wisdom that claims superior guidance to Humans) - for a Deomcratic setup it is the People and only the People without an iota of possibility of entertaining any metaphysical thing to interfere in the public space.

I would like to agree to disagree with you, here.

have a good one.
many thanks.

#273:

precise and well articulated post on the qur`an board

allah rey zoar e qal`m aur zyadah...

(tr: may God give more power to your pen)

t

#270:

* what did amrita say to rile you so much?
* do you laugh heartily at your own jokes?
* what do you think of qur`an desecration?
* what do you think of muslims who do not read arabic, nor understand it, nor follow qur`anic guidelines in spirit going on a rampage?

and finally

* is suicide bombing allowed in the qur`an?

rgds

t

Re: # 272 by temporal on May 23, 2005 1:24pm PT


* what did amrita say to rile you so much?
May be she said you`re a limp noodle, may be she didn`t

* do you laugh heartily at your own jokes?
May be I do, may be I don`t....may be I`m still laughing at your indignant haplessness or may be I`m not.

* what do you think of qur`an desecration?
Muslims who selectively believe in it to please the disciples of Satan have allowed it and Allah will hold them to account in His own way in this world and hereafter

* what do you think of muslims who do not read arabic, nor understand it, nor follow qur`anic guidelines in spirit going on a rampage?
They`re a million times better than murtads who never read a word of Quran and seek to change it. They are more dearer to Allah for taking a stand in spite of being faced with most advanced militaries, than the murtads who whimper away with their tails tucked between their shivering legs.

and finally

* is suicide bombing allowed in the qur`an?
LOL.....you`re still sizzling over that one, aren`t you kitty-cat?..............ROFTL

or is it another mighty big hairball rising in your throat? ROTFL

ps: do you know the synonym for kittens that starts with P?........LOL

Nyet Sahib,

So you WILL commit suicide if I propose for you?

Amrita,

Get the papers ready and get Nyet Sahib to a shaadi salon! ;)

Re: # 269

Amrita,

Get the papers ready and get Nyet Sahib to a shaadi salon! ;)

See Amrita, I told you......... she wants me. LOL

Re: # 269

Samina honey,

Please read carefully...your lenses are fogged up.

Who said anything about

1. my contemplating suicide at this point in my life? Or
2. my contemplating a polyandrous arrangement? With YOU? You are on Prozac, aren`t you? LOL

But you can propose if it makes you feel better; I`ll pretend to commit suicide by allowing you to smother me with your suffocating affections. But you`ll have to smother me with your suffocating affections, okay? No pretending there, alright? I think that`ll be very therapeutic for you.

Ciao

Re: # 271

What a truly vile and poor excuse for a man are you.

Lanat hai

Mian tum pey

Bay Hayayi ki Hudd hoti hai

Na Khwateen ka lehaaz, na izzat.


Temporal, Sajal, Saminasha, Miriamk and Amrita have pegged you right. Tuff hai.