Fauzia’s Rejection

Re: # 143

Naqshbandi:

Glad to hear that you are growing older and wiser(ahem..ahem..ahem). I am sorry I am under the weather. What the hell is happening in this picture that you have posted? The ulema`ae karaam are discussing what ? Do you think it is fair to have the ulema wear so many yards of clothing when there are homeless people dying of hunger and poverty in their respective countries. How sad and ironic!

ermm...except for the opening paragraph...what was the point of this article? That desi girls get a hard deal if they are not deemed attractive by the prospective husbands (it is true-they do get a hard deal) or that if you go to the West and sleep around with a lot of goras you`ll live happily ever after?
There are lots of desi girls doing that these days (and guys too) but no one seems to be living happily ever after. most end up in some sort of depression. then they hit their 30s and start looking for someone to get married to on shaadi.com...

this aping of everything western has not done anybody any favours at all. i think our generation --all three sexes--is doomed to live in misery since we are a selfish bunch addicted to instant self-gratification. the ultimate outcome of the separation of state and church...a dystopian society addicted to instant pleasures...

The older i get the more convinced i become that islam is the answer to society`s ills...
not the `islam` which you see on CNN (that is deliberately put there for propaganda purposes) but the islam which is based around a small local community model with the Saint as the leader..the model of Madina...of traditional societies (now sadly dying out except in isolated communities such as in mauritania or parts of yemen, morroco, remote parts of the subcontinent etc.)..the kind described by Ahmad Thomson in his book ``Dajjal and the New World Order``--an islam as a `life-transaction`; small, self-sufficient communities of murabitun living off the land with the Shaykh as the centre. Following the Sunnah, marrying early and using piety as the main criterion, a Prophetic model of life...sadly this mode of life is dying out...it is becoming a rare species...


the dajjalic system has almost won...small pockets of idyll remain...the awliya are the lamps of light which are resisting this antichristic system from taking over totally...men such as this:

Shaykh Murabit al Haaj of Mauritania (old man) with Shaykh Sayyid Habib `Ali al Jifri al Yemeni and Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

Naqsh Sahib,

I`m disappointed that you are interpreting self determination through one dimensional conceptions. Is understanding agency such a frightening idea that whenever it is exercised, it is dismissed as ``aping the West``?

Re: # 145

miriamk: i think the writer equated freedom with sex, much more so than the posters

Every dozen or so posts I keep coming across one which bemoans (and wonders at)liberated Pakistani women equating freedom with promiscuous sex. I’m not sure whether this misunderstanding is deliberate or unintentional. Nevertheless it is a misunderstanding.

Not one liberated Pakistani (or for that matter South-Asian) woman I know ever has had or is having indiscriminate sex. Quite frankly, they have too many other things to do. Being a trailblazer and shrugging off shackles of repression leaves hardly any time for orgiastic feasts. There are after all only 24 hrs in a day (and personally I could use at least 5 more to do things that need doing).

Sexuality is NOT synonymous with sex. A woman claiming her sexuality is about her unwillingness to be viewed a sexual object, unquestioningly satisfying the desires of a man, while not being allowed to have any of her own. Claiming sexuality is a matter of principle. It’s about a woman saying (and more importantly believing) that she can be a passionate and willing partner minus the requisite guilt.

This struggle is hardly unique to South-Asian women, our Western counterparts have grappled with this issue for years and some still are.

Miriam:

yes am aware of the other issues…(viz. poverty, abuse, incest, rape…the list is endless)…and was (obviously) facetious with that gun bit…do i need to seek forgiveness?

…the perpetuating injustices faced by the disenfranchised (and here read women and all other minorities) throughout history has to be rectified…and this is broadening the argument…though we are discussing this here with specific references to the fozias but this applies to all the disenfranchised globally…there is no disagreement on this amongst any decent and fair thinking person here…

…imho in this journey of that proverbial thousand miles the first step that needs to be taken is education…that is all i was suggesting…in its wake will follow understanding, economic empowerment leading the disenfranchised to stand up powerfully for their rights…if anyone has another first step to suggest am willing to listen

lve

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Sajal:

re: patriarchy in pakistan¡K.thanks¡Kfor explaining how the power is derived¡Kƒº

both of us are perhaps talking a bit cross-purpose here ¡K the rest i¡¦ve mentioned in my post to miriam #147:

¡Kit is good to keep the perspective in mind and the resolve as well¡Kbut to overthrow the injustices of history¡Ka concerted first step needs to be taken mixed with steely resolve

lve

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(repeat of #148 -- can`t explain cyber glitches in there)

sajal:

re: patriarchy in pakistan….thanks…for explaining how the power is derived...:)

both of us are perhaps talking a bit cross-purpose here … the rest i’ve mentioned in my post to miriam #146:

…it is good to keep the perspective in mind and the resolve as well…but to overthrow the injustices of history…a concerted first step needs to be taken mixed with steely resolve

lve

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malik99 and Nadia_Zehra have said it the best: there is a problem, but the only solution is education, not promiscuity and adultery.

So, I ask the ``progressives`` here - men and women - how much time, money, and effort have you or are you willing to put into educating the perpetually imperiled women? As far as the past is concerned...there`s no evidence any one of the progressives in the Pak history has done anything substantial in this respect.

Now, most of them sit comfortably in the Western hemisphere and continue to shout at mulla for teaching Quran and Sunnah to these unfortunate women with available limited resources. Mulla Edhi`s of Pakistan have been the ones who continue to unconditionally shelter, educate and care for these women, while NOW is NEVER around in these efforts.

Anyhow, I don`t see the self-proclaimed ``temporal progressive Pakistanis Muslims`` to put their money where their mouths in the near future. Their forte remains ceaseless yapping.

Meanwhile, scores of women continue to break the cycle of oppression through education, particularly Islamic education which teaches them their God-given rights, and become proud and productive members of the society without compromising any Islamic values. The relatively fortunate ones go on to succeed in sciences too.

However, these numbers will never see the newspaper ink or become the electronic bytes as long as the Human Rights Pak, NOW and other such orgs can help it. Otherise, it will furthe prove the the latter`s connivance to corrupt and destroy our society with their failed models; it will expose their failure in changing the trends for better; and it prove the practical nature of Islam...just like we seldom, if ever, hear about the US prison system where the most successful rehabilitation program is Islamization :-)~~

Temporal
#147

Do you need to seek forgiveness? Of course not :) (long day, hideous commute, late night, etc.).

Microfinance has been doing some substantive things as far as tackling disenfranchisement on a local level in many of these countries with some success. Although, there are some problems (i.e. high interest rates, draconian lending restrictions, etc.). Most of Grameen Bank’s borrowers are women because they default less. Giving women some of their own money and starting them off on an enterprise (albeit very small) begins to change that power structure that sajal referred to. A small step in an otherwise monstrous undertaking but then Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Well, I’ve got to go see a man about a horse or is it the other way around? :).

Re: # 155

Saminasha:
Again, the point of this piece is agency.

AGENCY:
Bibi jee...in case you missed it in your embarrassed jealousy driven anti-Islamic zealotry (that someone other than the self-proclaimed ``progressives`` are actually doing more than just yapping), that`s what my post is about too - a functional agency, not mere Jerry Springer mud-slinging talk-show antics with a chowk twist :-)~~

You could really start bragging when Muslim and formerly Muslim women make their choices without fear of reprisal, harrassment, imprisonment, torture and abuse from fundamentalist institutions and individuals. Otherwise, its all yang.
What? Still no commitment from the progressive zealots to put their money where their mouths are, i.e. no action plan beyond yapping?

Besides, if your allegation is assumed to have any weight, the fundamentalist institution and individuals have miserably failed in reprisals, harrassment, imprisoment, torture and abuse of dissenter. You and your chowk ilk are living proofs of that, don`t you think?

FYEnlightenment: most of the success stories referred to in my post are fearless choices made by individuals who witnessed the hot-air in the ``progressive`` propaganda for themselves that
- it only seeks freedom for the well-to-do mames and their zan-mureeds to run mix marathons and sport flesh in the open market. They do not wish to be the walking talking meat-shop merchandise for the sharabi and kababi elites.

- they saw the silence of this ``progressive`` bunch when the ``secular`` court aquitted and released the 5/6 violators of Mukhtaran Mai, who by the way were convicted and condemned to death by a Shari`ah court two years prior, washing-off the struggle the victim had taken on with more courage than all the bloody ``progressives`` could ever muster collectively by providing her a condescending photo-op with Shauki (who was probably fantasizing being one of the four that violated her).

As for bragging...if only it was one.

In your zeal to discredit Islam and it followers (that includes some bad elements as in every society) you missed (or probably decided not to repond to) the whole point: a challenge to the disoriented progressive bullhorns to actually do something productive instead of polluting the airwaves with their ill-informed gibrish.

Perhaps that`s too much to ask from this lot..... thus, they cling to their hollow YING! lol

Meanwhile, your ilk also needs to prove that fear of reprisal, harrassment, imprisonment, torture and abuse are from fundamentalist institutions and individuals and NOT the unIslamically influenced (farangi, hindu, communist, et al) feudal, bureucratic, autocratic, military and other such chauvinistic institutions and individuals. Case in point: Mukharan Mai, while your goldfish memory still retains the aforementioned example.

Ntsyed,

Again, the point of this piece is agency. You could really start bragging when Muslim and formerly Muslim women make their choices without fear of reprisal, harrassment, imprisonment, torture and abuse from fundamentalist institutions and individuals. Otherwise, its all yang.

These are two more of my amateur attempts at story writing based on a conglomeration of true life characters.


http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00001391&channel=chaathouse

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00001077&channel=gulberg

abysmal:
hey, what you are doing is a heck of a lot better than say any other metaphor-heavy piece of nothing. it aint about Lit. over here (got you). more power to you. !

cheers!

Re: # 158

Naqshbandi:

So the aulia are allowed to follow the sunnah of covering themselves against the scorching heat. What about the poor guy the aulia are examining? Shouldn`t the aulia try to provide him with some proper clothing first and then think about their own needs?

By the way, what was the sense of posting the heavenly picture on this board? A Bimsal`s write-up had no need for these auliae` karaam. It seems that you are out of your mind to post such pictures on a board where the heroine of this story is exploring her sexuality and then deciding which route to opt. Is it even polite to post the pictures of bushy na-mehram aulia on this board? What was your intent? Did you want A Bismal to route Fauzia to these Buzurganae Deen? Or did you want the rejected men to consult the Buzurganae Deen for guidance?

Who is being foolish here?

miriamk--when has anyone denied that women too are sexual beings with legitimate needs? certainly not the `mad mullah`s whom so many on chowk despise...!!

zahraj--two of the men in that photo are awliya: saints of Allah. The old man lives in conditions of extreme poverty in the deserts of mauritania. the other one is from hadramawt in yemen--hardly a rich place in the material sense. such clothing is a) sunnah (b) protects against the fierce sun. sp lease don`t judge a book by its cover. you can look foolish sometimes!!

sorry to hear you are ill...