A Bismil May 18, 2005
#78 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 5:11:16 am
Amrita,
Granted some people dont define themselves through terminology, rather, their actions. But there are many fine people who are very conscious of who they are and the principles they support. The trouble is, too many men buy into this ``feminazi`` shite...they dont have the will to define themselves as feminists. That would take an articulation that they`d rather avoid...same with women.....
Terra,
When women 1. cant vote 2. dont have equal career ops 3. cant choose their own spiritual belief systems 4.cant occupy leadership positions in political, religious, academic, military, govt, and health institutions 5. are policed in all aspects of their lives to perform within patriarchical binaries, what power do you think they are willing to ``take``? How many will use the domestic sphere to exercise the power of manipulation? This is no power at all.
Granted some people dont define themselves through terminology, rather, their actions. But there are many fine people who are very conscious of who they are and the principles they support. The trouble is, too many men buy into this ``feminazi`` shite...they dont have the will to define themselves as feminists. That would take an articulation that they`d rather avoid...same with women.....
Terra,
When women 1. cant vote 2. dont have equal career ops 3. cant choose their own spiritual belief systems 4.cant occupy leadership positions in political, religious, academic, military, govt, and health institutions 5. are policed in all aspects of their lives to perform within patriarchical binaries, what power do you think they are willing to ``take``? How many will use the domestic sphere to exercise the power of manipulation? This is no power at all.
#79 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on May 19, 2005 5:17:02 am
Re: #76 by echoboom on May 19, 2005 5:00am PT
Yeah, mine it is :)
Yeah, mine it is :)
#80 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 5:25:50 am
Nadia_Zehra:79
Please print , if possible, all of it in your i-log.
The true test of bad writing here is that it adorns the front-page [E & OE]. Worse are feature writers. When monkeys get possession of coconuts, this is what happens.
I hope Ba Ba Blacksheep is eavesdropping.
Please print , if possible, all of it in your i-log.
The true test of bad writing here is that it adorns the front-page [E & OE]. Worse are feature writers. When monkeys get possession of coconuts, this is what happens.
I hope Ba Ba Blacksheep is eavesdropping.
#81 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 5:31:55 am
Nadia Zehra,
Please dont be swayed by the flattery of old men obsessed with sex. Your piece is good, but it needs a lot of revising, more focus, and a great deal of editing. Yes, its very nice that you write both in Urdu and English, but what you were trying to convey was lost in the murkiness of your prose.
With the proper revision, your piece will make it to front page.
-S
Please dont be swayed by the flattery of old men obsessed with sex. Your piece is good, but it needs a lot of revising, more focus, and a great deal of editing. Yes, its very nice that you write both in Urdu and English, but what you were trying to convey was lost in the murkiness of your prose.
With the proper revision, your piece will make it to front page.
-S
#87 Posted by shobig_sifar on May 19, 2005 6:51:28 am
Re: # 82 Agreed!
However, a few important points that you skipped through, add to the poor chap`s dilemma..
-Even though he might possess as good ASSETS as his sister did, even the western society won`t let Fauzan publicly exhibit them, thus further deminishing his chances to attract Joan`s attention.
-Being sponsored by his family for higher education, he would be constantly kept under vigil and asked for a payback by the family, unlike Fauzia who ws just left unchecked by her family, thus resulting in futher stress and disgust for the kid.
-The boy can`t even vent his agony after returning home attaining all that higher education and getting brains by rejecting the girls approaching him for the rishta...coz no girls look for the brains, and he still happens to maintain the same looks!
so yes, Fauzan is the truly taumatized soul!
sigh
However, a few important points that you skipped through, add to the poor chap`s dilemma..
-Even though he might possess as good ASSETS as his sister did, even the western society won`t let Fauzan publicly exhibit them, thus further deminishing his chances to attract Joan`s attention.
-Being sponsored by his family for higher education, he would be constantly kept under vigil and asked for a payback by the family, unlike Fauzia who ws just left unchecked by her family, thus resulting in futher stress and disgust for the kid.
-The boy can`t even vent his agony after returning home attaining all that higher education and getting brains by rejecting the girls approaching him for the rishta...coz no girls look for the brains, and he still happens to maintain the same looks!
so yes, Fauzan is the truly taumatized soul!
sigh
#82 Posted by atif2 on May 19, 2005 6:11:49 am
I feel that I have been conned into reading this article by the author. The summary on the front page was too alluring. The actual content was disappointing. I feel cheated. Violated, if you will. But since I`ve already read it, I might as well say a few things.
While Fauzia has been sufficiently applauded / condemned for her stance, my thoughts go deeper than that. I am worried about her younger brother Fauzan. He too is the inheritor of ``dark chocolate areolas``. As for his ``dark triangle``, well, thanks to the abundance of hindoo genes in the family, nothing much protrudes out of it either - at least nothing significant enough for him to write home about.
His sister was able to flaunt her goods in the west and successfully allure John - a connoisseur of chocolaty areolas. The last sentence of this story gives the full details of why John fell for Fauzia - ``[he] loved her for who she was: a dark, sexy, princess of the East.`` Notice, no mention of her education or her brains. In that, John was no different than any man, or at least no better than the boys back home (the anti-heroes of this story) whose only crime was that they preferred pinkish areolas.
Back to why I am worried about Fauzan. He too is headed for west. But he cannot hope to allure girls by merely flaunting his goods - like his sister did. If a Joan really wanted to marry a dark man based on his goods, she would rather go with a black man - with something significant enough protruding from his ``dark triangle`` for HER to write home about.
For Fauzan now, there is only one way - the hard way. He HAS to work hard, excel in school and perhaps save enough to keep a sports car.
In my books, its Fauzan who comes out as the true tragedy of this story.
While Fauzia has been sufficiently applauded / condemned for her stance, my thoughts go deeper than that. I am worried about her younger brother Fauzan. He too is the inheritor of ``dark chocolate areolas``. As for his ``dark triangle``, well, thanks to the abundance of hindoo genes in the family, nothing much protrudes out of it either - at least nothing significant enough for him to write home about.
His sister was able to flaunt her goods in the west and successfully allure John - a connoisseur of chocolaty areolas. The last sentence of this story gives the full details of why John fell for Fauzia - ``[he] loved her for who she was: a dark, sexy, princess of the East.`` Notice, no mention of her education or her brains. In that, John was no different than any man, or at least no better than the boys back home (the anti-heroes of this story) whose only crime was that they preferred pinkish areolas.
Back to why I am worried about Fauzan. He too is headed for west. But he cannot hope to allure girls by merely flaunting his goods - like his sister did. If a Joan really wanted to marry a dark man based on his goods, she would rather go with a black man - with something significant enough protruding from his ``dark triangle`` for HER to write home about.
For Fauzan now, there is only one way - the hard way. He HAS to work hard, excel in school and perhaps save enough to keep a sports car.
In my books, its Fauzan who comes out as the true tragedy of this story.
#83 Posted by midihash on May 19, 2005 6:21:42 am
interesting piece, but ``and a black triangle of hidden mystery``?? That made me clench my buttocks just a teensy bit - too cliched in a Mills & Boon-ish coy soft-porn kind of way.
#84 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 6:32:19 am
Atif,
Perhaps you should revisit your own narrow interpretation of ``sexy``.....sexy to me is a balance of intellect, soulfulness, strength and attractiveness....
Perhaps you should revisit your own narrow interpretation of ``sexy``.....sexy to me is a balance of intellect, soulfulness, strength and attractiveness....
#91 Posted by drlokraj on May 19, 2005 7:51:55 am
Re: # 85
That was superb.PaRosan is one of my all time favourite movies.You can see Mehmood at his best.
That was superb.PaRosan is one of my all time favourite movies.You can see Mehmood at his best.
#85 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 6:33:45 am
atif2:82
You`re good .
It is called tit-for-tattaa.
Aao Aao chalo gitmo chalaiN
vahaaN eik dominatrix unobsessed by sex
untouched by manly hands,
has never had her `regulars`
now wants it on cammand
still a virgin , unexplored
is waiting to whiplash all men
who always like to see hymen
intact before expiry date
they might be old,
but never late.
toa Aao Aao chalaiN
zaraa gitmo chalaiN
Open in another window, to listen and read lyrics at the same time.
Ek chatur naar
ek chatur nAr kar ke si.ngAr
mere man ke dvAr ye ghusat jaat
ham marat jaat, are he he he
yak chatur nAr kar ke si.ngAr threedots
pa re sa, sa sa sa ni dh sa
sa re sa dha dha pa
pa dha sa re sa
sa re ga dha pa
yak chatur nar kar ke si.ngaa threedots r
ki: ##ummm ## dham
mah: ayyo !
ki: are dham, o dham, o dham dham dham ruk
##umm ## bru - 2
o a aa i ii u U e ai o au a.n a: ##(vowels)##
um nAm nAm nAm nAm nAm nAm
nAm nAm lama lama lama lama la
um bal bal bal bal re,
bal bal bal bal re, bal bal bal bal re
om
ek chatur nAr ba.DI hoshiyAr - 2
apane hI jaal me.n phasat jaat
ham hasat jaat are ho ho ho ho ho !
ek chatur nAr ba.DI hoshiyar
su: tuu kyo.n threedots
mah: chhI re
kare lAkh lAkh duniyA chaturAI
chhuTTI kar dU.ngA mai.n usakI
abake jo AvAz lagAI
chhuTTI kar dU.ngA, aa aa aa threedots
tA jum, taka jum, taka num, yaka jum
tak tankidia threedots
ki: pa.Dh ke botan chIr bi chakkar - 2 (?)
har bud khudi -budi khud kar - 2
chhiTake to rere mon mAkhan - 2
sab chale gaye, sab chale gaye chidamudh chiting chitubud
chitubud gaay, chitubud gaay, chitubud haay haay haay
jA re, jaa re kAre kAgA
kA kA kA kyo.n shor machaaye
us nArI kA dAs nA ban jo
rAh chalat ko rAh bulAe
kaalaa re jaa re jaa re
are nAle me.n jaake tuu mu.Nh dhoke aa
Kaalaa re ga re ga re
mah: ye ga.Daba.D jI
ki: o gA re gA re
mah: ye sur badalA
ki: o gA re gA re
mah: ye hamako maTakA bolA
ki : o gA re gA re
mah: ye sur kidhar hai jI, ye sur threedots; ye threedots, ennAyA idhu ##(Tamil)##
yek chatur naar threedots
am chho.DegA nahii.n jI
yek chatur naar threedots
am paka.Dake rakhegA jI
ye ghusat jaat
ham marat jaat are aa aa aa
tuu kyA jAne kyA hai nArI
jis tan laage more nainA
usape sArI duniyA vArI
mah: nAch nA jaane, A.ngan te.DhA
Teee.DhA, Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA - 4
naach nA jaane, aa.ngan Te.DhA
Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA - 4
us sa.ng lAge more nainA
abake jo AvAz lagAI
ki: o Te.Dhe!
mah: oy
ki: o ke.De!
mah: o yA
ki: are sIdhe ho jaa re
sIdhe ho jaa re
sIdhe ho jaa
vAh rI cha.ndaniyA, vAh re chakore
rAm banAI ye kaisii jo.DI
kare nachAyA tA tA thaiyyA
tAl pe naache la.nga.DI gho.DI
are dekhI
are dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: ye phir ga.Daba.D
ki: are dekhI terI chaturaaI
mah: phir bhaTakAyA
ki: tujhe suro.n kI samajh nahii.n aaI
tUne korI ghAs hI khAI
are gho.De!
mah: ye gho.DA bolA
ki: o nigo.De!
mah: ye gaalI diyA
ki: are dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: gho.De dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: gho.De dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: ek chatur naar threedots
ki: ek chatur naar threedots
mah: ayyo gho.De terI threedots
ki: are gho.De terI threedots
mah: kyA re ye gho.DA -chatur, gho.DA -chatur bolA,
yek pe rahanA yA gho.DA bolo yA chatur bolo threedots gaao
ki: ek chatur naar ba.DI hoshiyaar
apane hI jaal me.n phasat jaat
ek chatur naar! ##(Tune becomes faster here) ##
ba.DI hoshiyArI!
ye ghusat jaat
mah: ham marat jaat, marat jaat ##(Mahmood gets stuck) ##
ye aTak gayaa !!!
You`re good .
It is called tit-for-tattaa.
Aao Aao chalo gitmo chalaiN
vahaaN eik dominatrix unobsessed by sex
untouched by manly hands,
has never had her `regulars`
now wants it on cammand
still a virgin , unexplored
is waiting to whiplash all men
who always like to see hymen
intact before expiry date
they might be old,
but never late.
toa Aao Aao chalaiN
zaraa gitmo chalaiN
Open in another window, to listen and read lyrics at the same time.
Ek chatur naar
ek chatur nAr kar ke si.ngAr
mere man ke dvAr ye ghusat jaat
ham marat jaat, are he he he
yak chatur nAr kar ke si.ngAr threedots
pa re sa, sa sa sa ni dh sa
sa re sa dha dha pa
pa dha sa re sa
sa re ga dha pa
yak chatur nar kar ke si.ngaa threedots r
ki: ##ummm ## dham
mah: ayyo !
ki: are dham, o dham, o dham dham dham ruk
##umm ## bru - 2
o a aa i ii u U e ai o au a.n a: ##(vowels)##
um nAm nAm nAm nAm nAm nAm
nAm nAm lama lama lama lama la
um bal bal bal bal re,
bal bal bal bal re, bal bal bal bal re
om
ek chatur nAr ba.DI hoshiyAr - 2
apane hI jaal me.n phasat jaat
ham hasat jaat are ho ho ho ho ho !
ek chatur nAr ba.DI hoshiyar
su: tuu kyo.n threedots
mah: chhI re
kare lAkh lAkh duniyA chaturAI
chhuTTI kar dU.ngA mai.n usakI
abake jo AvAz lagAI
chhuTTI kar dU.ngA, aa aa aa threedots
tA jum, taka jum, taka num, yaka jum
tak tankidia threedots
ki: pa.Dh ke botan chIr bi chakkar - 2 (?)
har bud khudi -budi khud kar - 2
chhiTake to rere mon mAkhan - 2
sab chale gaye, sab chale gaye chidamudh chiting chitubud
chitubud gaay, chitubud gaay, chitubud haay haay haay
jA re, jaa re kAre kAgA
kA kA kA kyo.n shor machaaye
us nArI kA dAs nA ban jo
rAh chalat ko rAh bulAe
kaalaa re jaa re jaa re
are nAle me.n jaake tuu mu.Nh dhoke aa
Kaalaa re ga re ga re
mah: ye ga.Daba.D jI
ki: o gA re gA re
mah: ye sur badalA
ki: o gA re gA re
mah: ye hamako maTakA bolA
ki : o gA re gA re
mah: ye sur kidhar hai jI, ye sur threedots; ye threedots, ennAyA idhu ##(Tamil)##
yek chatur naar threedots
am chho.DegA nahii.n jI
yek chatur naar threedots
am paka.Dake rakhegA jI
ye ghusat jaat
ham marat jaat are aa aa aa
tuu kyA jAne kyA hai nArI
jis tan laage more nainA
usape sArI duniyA vArI
mah: nAch nA jaane, A.ngan te.DhA
Teee.DhA, Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA - 4
naach nA jaane, aa.ngan Te.DhA
Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA - 4
us sa.ng lAge more nainA
abake jo AvAz lagAI
ki: o Te.Dhe!
mah: oy
ki: o ke.De!
mah: o yA
ki: are sIdhe ho jaa re
sIdhe ho jaa re
sIdhe ho jaa
vAh rI cha.ndaniyA, vAh re chakore
rAm banAI ye kaisii jo.DI
kare nachAyA tA tA thaiyyA
tAl pe naache la.nga.DI gho.DI
are dekhI
are dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: ye phir ga.Daba.D
ki: are dekhI terI chaturaaI
mah: phir bhaTakAyA
ki: tujhe suro.n kI samajh nahii.n aaI
tUne korI ghAs hI khAI
are gho.De!
mah: ye gho.DA bolA
ki: o nigo.De!
mah: ye gaalI diyA
ki: are dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: gho.De dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: gho.De dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: ek chatur naar threedots
ki: ek chatur naar threedots
mah: ayyo gho.De terI threedots
ki: are gho.De terI threedots
mah: kyA re ye gho.DA -chatur, gho.DA -chatur bolA,
yek pe rahanA yA gho.DA bolo yA chatur bolo threedots gaao
ki: ek chatur naar ba.DI hoshiyaar
apane hI jaal me.n phasat jaat
ek chatur naar! ##(Tune becomes faster here) ##
ba.DI hoshiyArI!
ye ghusat jaat
mah: ham marat jaat, marat jaat ##(Mahmood gets stuck) ##
ye aTak gayaa !!!
#86 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 6:38:08 am
Acha...diaper shab has started ba-ba-baping....is he rocking himself back and forth in anxiety, I wonder?
#88 Posted by sajal on May 19, 2005 7:31:53 am
Women have never been able to exert control over anything relating to their daily existence. There is an imbalance of power between the males and the females leading to further exploitation and domination. It is sad that a woman cannot even decide in matters pertaining to her fertility then how dare we even think she is going to get rights to emotional, psychological, social, financial and sexual freedom.
In our society we believe the saying “Women are their own worst enemy” which rings true because men hold all the power and women compete for the power. Women gain their power and status from men and then use that power in the private domain of their homes. “ Women`s power is exercised through their influence on men, so therefore, women must become rivals and compete with each other for power” Thus the oppressed become the oppressors.
In our society we believe the saying “Women are their own worst enemy” which rings true because men hold all the power and women compete for the power. Women gain their power and status from men and then use that power in the private domain of their homes. “ Women`s power is exercised through their influence on men, so therefore, women must become rivals and compete with each other for power” Thus the oppressed become the oppressors.
#90 Posted by hamidm2 on May 19, 2005 7:46:15 am
............ i find the whole concept of going out to ``look`` at girls rather demeaning ..........
.........but things are changing for the better ............ now if we can only keep the dark forces of retrogression at bay, our daughters will not have to suffer fauzia`s humiliation ..............
.........but things are changing for the better ............ now if we can only keep the dark forces of retrogression at bay, our daughters will not have to suffer fauzia`s humiliation ..............
#92 Posted by Charlie on May 19, 2005 7:58:40 am
Does the story mean that :
1. Traditional Pakistani women are too much dependent. If by chance, some of them become independent, they start considering themselves someone out of the world. Dark, short, egoistic Pakistani men are unfit for them. Their standards ``goes up`` to Gara Chitta Johns and Jims.
2. Almost every Paki lady, since her childhood dreams of being a ``princess`` who lives in the palace of her prince. In real life, her ``prince`` works in some office for a dozen of hours a day. How bad is it for the princess who feel bored during this time of watching cable channels. Muft Khori Pakistani Khvateen. Then they demand of equality of rights. Purpose of life for Pakistani women is to find a suitable ``baqra`` named ``prince`` who can take care of them for whole of his life. Fauzia was an exception because she didn`t get this oppurtunity.
Well done writer. You didn`t summarizes the story and let the readers extract their own lessons..
1. Traditional Pakistani women are too much dependent. If by chance, some of them become independent, they start considering themselves someone out of the world. Dark, short, egoistic Pakistani men are unfit for them. Their standards ``goes up`` to Gara Chitta Johns and Jims.
2. Almost every Paki lady, since her childhood dreams of being a ``princess`` who lives in the palace of her prince. In real life, her ``prince`` works in some office for a dozen of hours a day. How bad is it for the princess who feel bored during this time of watching cable channels. Muft Khori Pakistani Khvateen. Then they demand of equality of rights. Purpose of life for Pakistani women is to find a suitable ``baqra`` named ``prince`` who can take care of them for whole of his life. Fauzia was an exception because she didn`t get this oppurtunity.
Well done writer. You didn`t summarizes the story and let the readers extract their own lessons..
#93 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 7:58:53 am
but this is what the smart, intelligent, beautiful and the bright ones have to say.
Nadia_Zehra wrote an excerpt from her great story ( #69).
Nadia_Zehra
Here is another one.
Succubus: ilog On Fauzia`s na Simply brilliant.
Nadia_Zehra wrote an excerpt from her great story ( #69).
Nadia_Zehra
Here is another one.
Succubus: ilog On Fauzia`s na Simply brilliant.
#94 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 8:06:59 am
charlie:92
You might have a point. Very astute, I must admit.
The sad part is that amidst the cacophony & stampede to write instant `literature` a lot of ``progressives`` resort to these suicide-bombing equivalents of becoming `authors` overnight.
You might have a point. Very astute, I must admit.
The sad part is that amidst the cacophony & stampede to write instant `literature` a lot of ``progressives`` resort to these suicide-bombing equivalents of becoming `authors` overnight.
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