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Fauzia’s Rejection

A Bismil May 18, 2005

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#1 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 10:54:02 am
Well done, writer! ;)
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#2 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 18, 2005 10:57:58 am
I love it.
Well written!
You go Girl!!!
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#3 Posted by amrita on May 18, 2005 11:00:57 am
Simple and very effective - three cheers! :)
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#4 Posted by anokhi on May 18, 2005 11:04:28 am
pity how only a john could love her for who she was...on second thoughts, johns are pretty cute ;)

good for fauzia!
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#5 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 11:12:41 am
Anokhi,

It would be nice to read about those rare progressive desi single men, their mas and aunties who could care less about the circus and nonsense around lookism...
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#6 Posted by terranova on May 18, 2005 11:36:30 am
how come every act of freedom by a ``desi`` woman involves running out into the world and sleeping around?

or maybe that`s just a metaphor women use and that a regressive desi single man like me cannot understand.

and you should also realize the ``mas and aunties`` are themselves women and encourage this behaviour.. ``saas bhi kabhi bahu thi``
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#7 Posted by miriamk on May 18, 2005 11:38:30 am
You have insightfully captured the pathology ailing the desi community when it comes to the choosing of mates (especially from the perspective of those who aren’t willing to sacrifice themselves at the altar of matrimony). And you have done it with subtlety to boot (well, maybe not so subtle in some places ;)). A great read!
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#89 Posted by sajal on May 19, 2005 7:36:51 am
Re: # 8
Miss Sha,

That is absolutely right!! female empowerment!!!!!
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#8 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 11:46:54 am
Terranova,

What you ``brothas`` dont seem to understand is that a woman`s self determination over her body (reproduction, physical labor, strength gained during practicing sport, martial arts, dancing, etc., ability towards combat, AND sexual pleasure) is a significant as her intellectual development. Controlling and patriarchical language blows the stench of bs over this very obvious and powerful reality.
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#9 Posted by terranova on May 18, 2005 12:14:51 pm
So rather than even try to change her society, she runs out on the situation. Stories like this do not encourage people to face reality but rather how to avoid it.

And before you jump all over me thinking that I`m just mad the character went off with a gora: I really couldn`t care. It`s not the act, but the reason that is usually given that I get annoyed at.

It seems the ultimate justification is that ``oh well, pakistani men are jerks``

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#10 Posted by hush on May 18, 2005 12:37:52 pm
Good one!

It truly shows the color of our culture in this aspect but I believe that slowly and gradually the numbers are changing.

My mom tells me that some of the aunties are so pathetic in this regard that even if they don`t have a son they go out to see girls. ``Bus nazar main rakhlen larki..rishta tu chayye he hota hey aksar``
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#97 Posted by urbashi on May 19, 2005 9:02:56 am
Re: # 11
I think you`re thinking of Bharati Mukherjee`s short story ``The Wife``.
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#11 Posted by jang on May 18, 2005 12:47:33 pm
very fast..

the begining reminded me of a gita mehta short-story (i forget which one..amrita? the one in which a gujju woman is in NY and her husband visits).

arranged marriages should be illegal..
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#12 Posted by kabuliwallah on May 18, 2005 1:02:22 pm
While the situation described here does occur, is it always the men who are jerks? Don`t desi women want partners who are settled abroad, with a big bank balance, big house and a great car? Are you saying women (especially the desi variety) aren`t superficial? I agree with the author in that desis should go after Johns and Janes. Janes are hardworking, usually have a career and moreover, make an effort to stay attractive instead of letting go.
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#13 Posted by miriamk on May 18, 2005 1:04:35 pm
Ms. Sha:

Re: #8

Nicely said, really. The wholistic view of a woman you outline is appealing.

Re: #5
These ``rare progressive desi single men``…where are they? I’m not being facetious at the expense of our desi men many of whom I respect and admire. But honestly, doesn’t it seem that for the most part the progressive desi man is proving to be an elusive myth?

I mean there are desi men who consider themselves progressive (and would take great offense at being thought of as otherwise) but there always seems to be a road block. And doesn`t being ``progressive`` imply continuously moving forward and embracing new ideas and thoughts....? A little disheartening really :).
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#14 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 1:06:06 pm
Terranova,

Please suggest how Fauzia might ``change`` her society. Also include examples of how you change your society.

Secondly, this particular society is constantly congratulating itself on its patriarchical values and how they are ``superior`` to the other cultural values.

Thirdly, part of a woman`s self determination is her ABSOLUTE right to choose where she will nuture herself. I guess thats what so frightening to some....
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#15 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 1:09:22 pm
Kabuliwallah,

Most ABCD women I know have bought themselves cars, houses and have big accounts, thanks to their professional careers.
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#16 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 1:12:15 pm
MiriamK,

Thanks!

Some of my cousins and friends have lovely husbands who are extremely supportive, encouraging, dont buy into the looks/color nonsense and are a lot of fun. They exist. :)
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#17 Posted by kaurasach on May 18, 2005 1:13:29 pm
I`ve noticed that the females of the in-laws household are more vicious towards brides and prospective brides.
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#18 Posted by tahmed32 on May 18, 2005 1:20:59 pm
ha! ha! The revenge of the Pakistani females. This is indeed the way to teach these paki-boys and their ``my son is a royal prince``.

Here is another one (from real life): my friend, (lets call him Pervez) was tall, handsome and a genius. went to Oxford, UK. gave inferiority complexes to the rest of us. came back to pakistan to get a bride. mama took him to oodles of homes, and he did not care for anyone of them. he never married.

a couple of decades passed. then he declared himself to be gay, moved in with his european pal. Pervez and Joe lived happily ever after.
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#19 Posted by miriamk on May 18, 2005 1:22:02 pm
Terranova:
#9

I don’t think it’s as simple as “Pakistani men are Jerks”; a generalization I would never presume to make. I think the writer’s lament is about the system; in that it’s a systemic problem. You say: “rather than even try to change her society”. Sigh….if only it were that easy :).

I am an educated desi woman living in the West and haven’t even been able to make much of a difference in the values of the local Pakistani community. So, how does a Pakistani woman (living in Pakistan) with considerably less opportunities and education try to change an entire country? And quite honestly T, changing a society when it is firmly entrenched on certain issues can be hard on the spirit :).


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#20 Posted by tahmed32 on May 18, 2005 1:39:27 pm
terranova: this is not a case of avoiding reality. this is creating a new reality. one that is another step towards the liberation of pakistani women from the chains of a primitive culture. a reality that pakistani men have to deal with.

PS: Meera goes to bollywood. Fauzia goes to UK. Paki-boys are left with one another and the chicken next door. ha! ha!
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#151 Posted by ntsyed on May 20, 2005 11:09:38 am
Re: # 21

hamidm, thank you for posting my pic...i`ve been looking for it everywhere while you`ve been holding it all along...shame on you for that one.

But you may have caused the non-mehram ladies (for me) to commit a visual sin with my beautiful sh`er al-leyha; the impressive left profile, etc.

Lastly, kindly do not impose the farangi title on me. I still have 3 slots open (lobbied by the children, #1 is almost ready to welcome 2, 3, & 4), and the ninja ladies may not appreciate the Mr. with my name.

apnay chances to kho chukay aap Amerika mein baith k; meray chances kis chakkar mein dubana chahtay ho bhai? :-)~~
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#21 Posted by hamidm2 on May 18, 2005 1:54:01 pm
......anouzobillah !.......what is the world coming to - women want to be treated like people?....... what is next`` ........ children want to be heard ?.......... verily, these are the signs of the day of reckoning ..........

........ i wonder what he has to say about all this ???.........
``Google
mr. ntsyed
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#22 Posted by jang on May 18, 2005 1:59:16 pm
you go kabuli.. its high time desi girls started kissing some toads and other critters.
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#23 Posted by InstantKarma on May 18, 2005 2:03:41 pm
Our culture is the best. The west is sick and perverted (Couples kissing and holding hands is considered quite acceptable there. I have seen it on TV). We have always been morally superior to them and will continue to be till the end of the world. Do not say anything against our culture. Warna main tumnhe daikh loonga.
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#24 Posted by Urstruly on May 18, 2005 2:05:07 pm

I think you people are barking up the wrong tree.

First, if you look at it logically, a girl who is unable to find a suitable mate under arranged setting is most likely not to find a mate in unarranged setting either. An adjustment of exepcted standards by girl may help in this case; even though the statistics suggests that probability of success increases with the increase in the number of attempts girl makes to contact opposite sex, but the facts support the different outcome. In those societies where geneder mixing is common the probablity of a woman getting married is down right abyssmal.

Second, it is a myth that dark complexion equals being unattractive. That is the reason every pubescent boy in our school was in love with Noreen. Boys usually referred to her as ``kaali sexy`` in whispers and in public her code name was ``kaali BMW``. (I hope people here know what the acronym BMW stands for).
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#25 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 18, 2005 2:09:09 pm
A. Bismil Sahib,
i read the teaser and it was very reminiscent of a similar scene written by that one hit wonder Roy in God of blah.. (ms. one-hit-wonder also had some toothbrush action going on in the mirror-scene.. )

very very short story with ``messages`` - prolly would amount to a Bismil on many supposedly ``controversial`` subjects ..

cheers.
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#26 Posted by jang on May 18, 2005 2:17:16 pm
#24 by Urstruly

bmw are like headlights? ursy, its not that these boys dont have lascivious thoughts, about a dusky gal, the problem is the mother thinks that the progeny will be dark, which everyone knows to be an indicator of hindu-blood. the boy in our society is so dependent (financially and/or emotionally) that he may ``lick his chops`` but wont go against sound counsel from mom and the aunties.
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#27 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 18, 2005 2:17:29 pm
UrsTruly:
talking of high-school. You remind me of one of my punjabi class-fellows who was the biggest male chauvinist i have ever come across - he was also very religously into Burrhuks (punjabi term for boasting).
You on the other hand, guess, has mistaken Burrhuk-ing as an artform.
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#28 Posted by HP on May 18, 2005 2:18:02 pm

Judging by the story and the interacts here, it appears that folks just don’t get married in Pakistan. The way the system is in Pakistan, the girls that are rejected, also reject other girls when they look for match for their own brothers. So, what goes around comes around. It is like job interview how many get an offer from the first Interview?
Successful people work in the system and not outside of it. Pakistani marriage institution still works because it is part of the system in the society. There are going to be some failures, there is going to be some obnoxious people to deal with but overall success ratio is 90%, and that is what matters. System works.

How many Pakistani girls are married so some Joe Gora in the US? I know one and she always had eyes for cute Pakistani guys. I think she would nail someone and show the Joe Gora out.

Urstruly,
It is just a story don`t get too excited!


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#29 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 2:21:59 pm
HP,

There is NO way you can prove conclusively that the Pakistani marriage institute is overwhelmingly successful. That would entail exhaustive study-and you havent done it.
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#30 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 2:25:16 pm
Raw Dust,

Why do some desi men get their chaddis in a twist over God of Small Things? Another class of my students loved it....
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#31 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 18, 2005 2:30:21 pm
Saminashah:
you are getting ahead of yourself once again. talk to me when you feel better.

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#32 Posted by HP on May 18, 2005 2:30:33 pm
#29

This is my third and all of them successful:) What more stats do you need?




//Numbers above are slightly exaggerated!





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#33 Posted by aashee on May 18, 2005 2:50:06 pm
Ok,...now how many Dark Sexy pricesses of the East get the oppurtunity to go and study abroad and come back to Desi land with a ``valaity`` degree tucked in their carry on baggage??? To me it was a very shallow peice of writing. The author needs to look deeper into the anguish and agony of the dark, short and not-so-sexy middle class girls who have to go thru all this once they reach their 20`s.
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#34 Posted by sajal on May 18, 2005 3:02:53 pm
Well done!!! powerful !!
It is a miracle how girls survive through this horrible process of picking and choosing.

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#35 Posted by slan on May 18, 2005 3:05:26 pm
If one were to speculate on the further turn of events in this story(although it is magnanimous of Jhon to have been willing to enter into a wedlock and not insist on being a `partner` with no resposibilities) ,what were the chances of Fauzia and her dear Jhon cheating on each other,divorcing each other,putting there children through the trauma and raising them up as single parents or maybe even abondoning them?In short screwing their lives seriously.

While the western culture has its advantages,they come at a cost.Its is not all goody goody.It is flawed in itself.They dont always live happily everafter.
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#36 Posted by echoboom on May 18, 2005 3:14:27 pm
...``She practiced safe sex and masturbated herself into climax regularly........

Now this is the creme-de-la-creme of the story. This is the stuff which separates an ordinary piece of swamp-reporting from the salinityand water-logged bog where english Literature erupts. Where rushdicks bloom like cactii and where WolfeVaginas blossom like briars.

A lot of stuff is between the lines & before the periods. For example it is silent the kind of equipment she used for safe-sex.

Then, this word `regularly` makes the whole exercise so matter-of-fact, so clinical, so dreamlike--that it moves it one notch up into cloud 9 & a 1/2 . `regularly`--this word cascaded out of the authors` keyboard and started talking here. As if it was not regular then there was no nirvanaa. Never knew there were other areas in a female anatomy where it is healthy to be `regular`.

Fantasizing BS this is ; 100% homespun autobiographical.

Arranged: Prince Charles to Diana
Deranged: Prince Charles to Camilla; Diana to Dodi etc etc etc.

Most goraa marriages are deranged. There is a divine-darwinian plan to keep them from evolving.

So it is and so shall it be written



PS: If she had shown her ..``dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery..`` I could have accepted her ; if & only if she was a BMW...

Thanks Urstruly for a long lost memory
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#37 Posted by jang on May 18, 2005 3:21:59 pm
#36 echo, i got to agree that there is no such a thing as safe sex bet two individuals. but what are you recommending here, circumcision?
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#38 Posted by echoboom on May 18, 2005 3:27:58 pm
jang:37

Did you read the article?

& my post?

........``but what are you recommending here, circumcision?``.....

for you? sure!
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#39 Posted by HP on May 18, 2005 3:32:06 pm
#36

Now I don’t wanna turn this into some cheap sex experience discussion but Echo you really liked that Safe Sex, Masturbation and climax part. I skipped over it because I thought it was indecent to even read such things…But you… XXX Maniac!

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#40 Posted by echoboom on May 18, 2005 3:38:35 pm
HP:39
Did you miss this also?

``dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery.

Correction: I`m YYY maniac.
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#41 Posted by HP on May 18, 2005 3:46:13 pm
#40 echoboom

``Did you miss this also?

``dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery.
``

Yes! Completely! You really pay attention. I think you are XXX or why would you read such gandagi so meticulously?

What this world is coming down to.. Mullah posting about chocolate areolas and hidden mystery. Internet is bad influence you man!




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#42 Posted by echoboom on May 18, 2005 3:59:17 pm
HP:41
OK OK I`m smiling now!
Thanks!
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#43 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 18, 2005 4:01:26 pm
``Dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery.``

I dont see what is the big deal. There is nothing obscene about it. The dark chocolate areolas and the black triangle of hidden mystery are symbols of a woman`s creative powers, her reproductive powers; the fountainhead of humanity.

Why is it that any sane and mature discussion of sexuality is percieved as `` GANDAGI``.

The Gandagi lies in the mind of those readers, the so-called patriarchal misogynistic goons of CHOWK.

How dare a woman bring herself to climax through masturbation. Chee Chee, Respectable Pakistani women are not even supposed to have Clitorises. Allah just created the clitoris by some quirk.

How dare a woman own up to the power of her reproductive organs, and dare say in public what men have always done. Ok maybe not Safe sex, but lots and lots of Masturbation.

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#45 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 18, 2005 4:07:32 pm
Re: # 44
I think you have been downloading way too much Porn off the internet.
tsk tsk
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#44 Posted by ali1. on May 18, 2005 4:04:53 pm
``Fauzia stood in front a full length mirror, staring at her naked body. Her skin was a smooth mocha colored canvas of beauty on which were painted the dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery.``

Ahem... I slid my chair all the way under my table in anticipation of a XXX story, but afsoos....

Vaisay, I don`t think desi women have anything but ``dark chocolate areolas`` and ``black triangle of hidden mystery``........ Even with gori blondes, the triangle is black most of the time. Viva La Clairol!!




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#46 Posted by ali1. on May 18, 2005 4:08:41 pm
``those rare progressive desi single men``

errrr, you forgot to add effiminate... but anyways, yeah, we have some desi gays in SFO... ask shore sahib
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#48 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 18, 2005 4:22:21 pm
Re: # 47
What a translation; Took me a while to figure out what you were saying!

Kisi key Baap ka kya jata hai. `` What goes of anyone`s father``


Funny!
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#47 Posted by ali1. on May 18, 2005 4:12:09 pm
#45 shoresahib,

It`s MY internet connection, MY credit card and MY PC...... bhai sahib what goes of anyone`s father, hian ji?
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#49 Posted by temporal on May 18, 2005 4:53:25 pm


(long post)

bismil:

you should submit more often!

since some have taken up fozia`s support here...and other`s act as her detractors...i`d sit on the sideline...what with my fellow curmudgeon hamidm also stirring the pot:)

miriam:

(just for making me blush)

... i`d mention a disgusting incident...happened with me...sometime in the last century...(just protecting the ladies involved)...

my brother wanted to get married to a karachi gal...what with al-nikah min al sunnati... ..i think it means marriage is preferable to living in sin...or someting pretty close...arabic is a foreign language...experts tell me the living in sin applies only to marriage-able and i suppose willing-to ladies only...ok will cut out the legalese...they tell me this al-nikah min al sunnati... does not apply to slaves and concubines...this reminds me of a poem on ghungroo and mangal sut`r i did recently but for brevity`s sake i`d keep it out of here...where was i?

...yes my brother wanted a companion to do that legally...and we were here...(T.O.)...and all the eligible ladies we knew were of a more local disposition...meanig desi here...and he wanted the desi from there...now i do not do these favours for everybody...but as i have told you he was my brother...(still is..somethings cannot be changed)... i said i will sacrifice my holidays and we will visit karachi...in preparation for that visit i informed all my friends and relatives there of the holy nature and intent of our sojourn...all three of them...

...so now we arrive jetlagged and the same evening we went to this place for tea...the directions were very precise...turn right at the second chowrangi...turn left on the third road on the left...the one with the chassiss of a burned out car...there is a panwala on the next corner...ask him for hamidm sahib`s house....(ok this is better than making up a name..and brother hamid would not mind at all)...

...so we arrive at this place and are let in the drawing room..after noons can be .....er....stifling there...what with heat and humidity and dust...khair...in the living room we are seated....an old dadi amman comes in and says something...she is short...all the grannys i know are short...and bent...and is wearing white...oily hair....thick glasses....really thick lenses....and dirty on top...did i mention she had two teeth...left...i mean teeth left...maybe that is both of us felt the need for sub-titles....but this wasn`t a movie...i smiled...picking up a clue my stoic bro smiled...she smiled...

...then another old lady emerged...she was less bent but still in white and had oily hair...her words were a little more decipherable...she was the granny...that made the first one great granny...even though we were briefed a little the girl with tea tray was expected but had not materialised yet...there were some pictures of still older people in sepia toned photographs in frames that can be described as just this side of being labelled antique...the younger of the two old ladies tried to ascertain if my brother could talk...they had already seen his smile...everytime she would ask him something my brother would look at me... i felt like the third guy in the chair between nixon and mao...or between king fah`d and just about anyone...

...i know you want to know what happened...if my brother liked the lady...if she liked him...did they live happily every after...but patience...all in due course...so here we are...my brother is looking at me...in time the granny started examining my hands very closely...she watched my hands ( i thought) very carefully trying to see if i translated her queries in sign language for him to reply to her...at some point she spoke with sufficient clarity and my brother not only understood her question...god bless him... he also replied instantly...satisfied that my brother could listen and talk...she eased up and smiled some more...

...there were some more rustlings and we could hear some giggling...another lady enters the room...this is the mother...we had to nudge each other from falling asleep...6pm in karachi was like 4am here...there was a remarkable similiarity between the ladies...if my brother married their daughter we could see in 20 year intervals what she would look like...seeing we were sleepy the mother asked us if we wanted tea...did we!...tea came...

(ok have to rush out...so maybe another day?)

lve,

t
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#50 Posted by subroto on May 18, 2005 6:02:17 pm
``She was asked out on many dates and went on many dates. She practiced safe sex and masturbated herself into climax regularly. She got a degree and a good job.``

More power to Fauzia but you don`t need to go to vilayat for that these days.
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#51 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 6:25:24 pm
Raw Dust,

I`m quite fine, thanks. But Ammu, the protagonist was punished for daring to exercise her sexual agency. Roy created a more complex woman character that literally dwarfed her entitled and oily brother Chacko....as far as I`m concerned, Roy could die happy knowing her first novel is a tour de force.
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#52 Posted by Saminasha on May 18, 2005 6:28:28 pm
Echoboom Sahib,

For once I am in agreement with you. I am waiting for a heroine far more exciting than one that has the courage to practice self determination....I am looking for my muse-the desi woman who captures, interrogates, tortures and beats to death frothing fundos....that I think, would excite all of us literary types to no end...much better than mere sexual agency, dont you think?
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#53 Posted by miriamk on May 18, 2005 7:42:17 pm
ShoreSahib
# 43

Such enlightened ideas. Please keep them coming. They are an antidote to…well whatever it is that’s transpiring here.

How predictable and sad that a woman (in this case Fauzia) claims her identity (thereby her sexuality) and on cue enter modesty proselytizing mullahs and their smitten acolytes. But what I really find preposterous is that their argument is being peddled as anything less than a clarion call for patriarchy (as if it was in any danger of crumbling in the first place).

Shorejee, what to do…we are a repressed culture, which insists on categorizing a woman as either a virgin, or whore. And the rest of us who don’t conform to one of the two prescribed labels are to be relegated to the hinterland where we won’t cause too much of a ruckus!

Temporal
#49

:)…..I await with bated breath for “just for making me blush part deux”. After all, it’s
the chai scene. Does the girl come in, her heart aflutter in anticipation, trying to
precariously balance a chai ki tray? Does she then drop the chai ka cup on one
of the two of you? One can only hope ;).
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#54 Posted by cipram on May 18, 2005 7:49:42 pm
Bismil,
you writing up to rejection is good except embarking on free and safe sex.
I am looking forward the day , when girls would be bold enough to simply reject the other party.Most of the girls have adopted the wrong way.First they get married and then after 2,3 months they leave the guy on the pretext of his simple.And some of them take revenge
by returning the ring next day.I think it`s the better option.son and his mother would be cautious next time.
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#70 Posted by djkewl on May 19, 2005 3:45:56 am
Re: # 55
hahahaha.... Now i understand wot those goris meant in chat rooms. asking me ``how big is yr John`` ``Do u have a big John or small`` ``is yr John straight or twisted`` ``yr John sleeping or hard``..
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#71 Posted by djkewl on May 19, 2005 3:45:57 am
Re: # 55
hahahaha.... Now i understand wot those goris meant in chat rooms. asking me ``how big is yr John`` ``Do u have a big John or small`` ``is yr John straight or twisted`` ``yr John sleeping or hard``..
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#55 Posted by mog on May 18, 2005 8:14:43 pm
Why did she marry a John?

From google-

Definitions of john on the Web:

toilet: a room equipped with toilet facilities
youngest son of Henry II; King of England from 1199 to 1216; succeeded to the throne on the death of his brother Richard I; lost his French possessions; in 1215 John was compelled by the barons to sign the Magna Carta (1167-1216)
(New Testament) disciple of Jesus; traditionally said to be the author of the 4th Gospel and three epistles and the book of Revelation
whoremaster: a prostitute`s customer
the last of the four Gospels in the New Testament
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

John is a common English male`s name. It is pronounced identically as the etymologically distinct name Jon, which is frequently treated as a variant spelling of John.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(name)

John (``Jack``) Russell, ``The Sporting Parson`` was an enthusiastic hunter and dog breeder as well as an ordained minister. He was reputed to be a man who enjoyed good living.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(%22Jack%22)Russell

A john (U.S.) or a punter (U.K.) is a male client of a prostitute, particularly in the case of street prostitution. Although these are slang terms, they are used by both prostitutes and police in their respective countries. Some male clients from the United States prefer to call themselves ```mongers``, short for whoremonger, a word that has expanded from its meaning of a pimp or bawd, who dealt in whores as a fishmonger deals in fish, to include anyone keeping the company of whores. Yet another
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(prostitution)

John (or O`NIELL) O`neill (VC, MM) was a Scottish recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(or_O%27NIELL)_O%27neill

(1.) One who, with Annas and Caiaphas, sat in judgment on the apostles Peter and John (Acts 4:6). He was of the kindred of the high priest; otherwise unknown.
christianity.about.com/library/weekly/blT0002000.htm

one of the twelve apostles and brother of James, son of Zebedee. He was inspired by God to write the fourth Gospel and the 3 letters bearing his name.
www.domini.org/word_of_life/gloss.htm

A person who patronizes prostitutes.
www.bdsmstore.com/glossary.html

(p. 371): Omitted are Constellations (anth 1980), which assembles juvenile sf, and Gollancz/Sunday Times SF Competition Stories (anth 1985), which he edited anonymously, assembling the best material from that competition.
www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Misc/sfec_e2h.html

Bowie`s friend and fellow musician in early collaborations with Bowie in the Buzz and Feathers bands. He played rhythm guitar on the Japanese Tour and on the 3 rd UK Tour.
www.5years.com/encyh.htm

Concise Encyclopedia Article Page 1 of 1
concise.britannica.com/ebc/article

(1792-1855) and Sarah “Sally” (Parker) Hall (1790-1859) were married in 1812 at Rich Square. John was the son of John and Miriam (Grant) Hall. He was born in 1792. Sarah was the daughter of Jeremiah and Keren (Newby) Parker. She was born in 1790 at Rich Square. In 1818 they transferred to Whitewater Monthly Meeting in Wayne County, Indiana. They were granted a certificate to Milford Monthly Meeting in Wayne County in 1830. There children were Martha (1812), Phinehas (1814), Robert (1817), Moses (1819), Sarah (1826), John (1828), and Joseph (1831). John died in 1855. Sarah died in
www.earlham.edu/~libr/quaker/parker/glossaryf-h.htm

(Lackland, Softsword), weak-willed and treacherous, but crippled from the start by inflation and baronial opposition to further taxation. Crowned with the support of the Norman barons against his nephew Arthur`s claims (by primogeniture), he became Arthur`s guardian. 2
www.bartleby.com/67/445.html

In the usage under consideration, this term refers to the fourth book of the New Testament, ``The Gospel according to John.`` He was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Christ. The significance of the asterisk in this connection is to indicate the characteristic manner in which references to the Bible are made. ``John 3:16`` designates the book (John), the chapter (3), and the verse (16).
answering-islam.org.uk/Testimonies/TruePath/glossary.htm

1. a policeman. 2. the toilet.
www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/j.php

English: from the Hebrew name Yochanan ‘Jehova has favoured (me with a son)’, [considerable other information given].
www.rushworth.com/wills/surnames/

Gale Reference Team
www.knowlex.org/lang/en/lexikon/Edwin_Lutyens.html

``Jehovah is a gracious giver``
utenti.lycos.it/foundfig/gloss.htm

c. 90–110. Brown does not give a consensus view for John, but these are dates as propounded by C KBarrett, among others. The majority view is that it was written in stages, so there was no one date of composition
www.smartpedia.com/smart/browse/Gospel

owner of Cockamamie`s collectible shop whose homosexuality upset Homer; voiced by John Waters
www.explore-art.com/arts_and_entertainment/O/One-time_characters_from_The_Simpsons.html
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#56 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 18, 2005 8:26:47 pm
Miriamk Sahiba,

Re:53

Not very many desi folk can digest the liberality of my thoughts. I do appreciate your candor.
Thank you.

I agree with you. In our culture i.e. South Asian; a woman is either a virgin or a whore.
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#57 Posted by echoboom on May 18, 2005 8:36:17 pm
Lara-Lappa Lara-Lappa

The first song where beautiful women use their feminine charming-ways to do adam-teasing: Now which man would not melt listening to such Killer-Beevees & not shower them with roses & diamonds


Lyrics , written in 1941.

only for nice giggle-giggle sweet beautiful girls of CHOWK:
Amazons, faminazis, battle-axes, dick-ban-dykes, and butch-bitches may read & listen but they are stricly forbidden to laugh while gritting & grinding their teeth.
..................................................................................................................................
Click & begin:

Lata:
lara lappa lara lappa layi rakhda (3)
aditappa aditappa layi rakhda
o dey kar jhoothe lare (2)
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

babuji ki baat nirali (2)
dil bhi khaali jeb bhi khaali (2)
o phir bhi akarR dikhaye
o babuji, phir bhi akarR dikhaye
o babuji, samajh na aaye re
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

babuji se maange paisey (2)
babuji bole: paise kaisey? (2)
jaa lein dein par khaak mohabbat paak!
barRaye farmaa gaye hain
len den par khaak mohabbat paak
barRe farmaa gaye hain
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Lata:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
Lata:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
o dey kar jhoothe larey (3)
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

Lata:
aaj kal ke gentlemen (2)
rehte hain hardam bechain
khaali jeb matakte nain (2)
kaam kare na kaaj (2)
phir bhi akarR dikhaye
o babuji, phir bhi akad dikhaye
o babuji, samajh na aaye re
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

G.M Durrani: ( Male voice)
aaj kal ki naariyan (2)
hai muft ki bemariyaan, bemariyaan
raat din mardon se larRney ki
kareN tayyariyan, tayyariyan
(kaam kuch karti nahin
aur bandhti hain saarRiyaan) (2)

Male Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhdi, aditappa ... rakhdi
Female Chorus:
lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
o dekh kar jhoothe lare
Male Chorus:
o dekh kar jhoothe lare

Lata:
fikr kyun karte ho saahib *(2)
yeh bhi kar dikhlayenge (2)
waqt aayega to is kursi pe hum
dat jaayenge dat jaayenge
Female Chorus:
waqt aayega to is kursi pe hum
dat jaayenge dat jaayenge

lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda (2)

lara lappa ... rakhda, aditappa ... rakhda
lara lappa...

* Not echoboom saahib.
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#58 Posted by malik99 on May 18, 2005 8:43:46 pm
One way this story could have caused an impact were if it had ``And then she woke up.`` as the last line. That would have depicted the sub-consciousness of a girl who furiously dreamed of ``lashing back`` at her society.

However, I do see one aspect of our society, as depicted by this story, that is worth exploring: The over-emphasis, to the point of obsession, that Pakistani society places on marriage. This is obsession is so much so that a girl who for one reason or another does not end up getting married, is looked down upon, and considered something of a failure or a burden. Comments are passed. She feels out of place.

Perhaps Fauzia would not have fled the country if her society had given her the option of a respectable living as a single woman. It is clear that Fauzia did not flee the country because of her desire to get ``higher education``. In fact this story seems to suggest that Fauzia won, not because of her higher education, but because she managed to sleep around and score a John.

This story would have had some depth, and perhaps much more relevance to many Pakistani girls today, if it had suggested that even without getting married to anyone or sleeping around, Fauzia won by finding a MUCH more worthwhile cause (education, career etc) instead of being at the mercy of boys` mothers.

THAT would have given the REAL role model to Pakistani girls in the character of Fauzia!
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#73 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 4:31:15 am
Re: # 59

Harish Sahib,

If you`ve read my posts on this thread, you`ll have read the post where I wrote that there are some very intelligent and feminist Pakistani men out there-three are related to me, six are not.

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#59 Posted by harish_hyd on May 18, 2005 9:11:22 pm
#29 by Saminasha

[There is NO way you can prove conclusively that the Pakistani marriage institute is overwhelmingly successful. That would entail exhaustive study-and you havent done it.]

Then how come you`ve taken all Paki men to be jerks? Did you conduct an ``exhaustive study`` too?
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#60 Posted by cipram on May 18, 2005 10:04:50 pm
echoboom #57,
he,he , you always turn serious topic into a laughter.
thanx ,
with regards.
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#61 Posted by terranova on May 18, 2005 10:33:21 pm
well well..

i see this articles kicked up quite the storm. seems anything that involves desi women and sex is a sure firestarter.

saminasha - what are you trying to prove by asking me what I`ve done to improve society? I didn`t claim anything. Even if I did, I don`t think I need to justify it to you.

Fauzia can make a change by not turning into one of those evil ``saas and nand`` combinatinos that so many women dread pre-marriage yet turn into themselves. Women themselves are mostly to blame for this societal aspect of our culture. I have yet to meet a pakistani guy who likes or purposely goes around rejecting girls on these dumb wife-finding trips.



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#62 Posted by SR on May 18, 2005 10:56:15 pm
The blame lies with the women

This is not the first time the subject has been raised on Chowk. The subject of continued treatment of our young women as if they were domesticated farm animals, raised on one farm only to be transferred to another farm to be settled so that they can begin breeding. This, of course, is the extreme model and then there are the milder varients where the owner afford some measure of latitude to the young woman so she can meet with the stud from the other farm before being committed.

It is a system that has been in place for centuries but the advent of the steam engine and gun powder started wittling away at it. Now a couple of centuries later this system is losing its grip but its still going strong in many societies. The modernists typically blame men, male dominance and patriarchy for the continuation of this system. I beg to disagree. Its the women themselves that are responsible for it. Why should the men change such a system which does not enslave them?

Its the mothers that are the banner carriers of this system. It is they who play the most pernicious role in perpetuating the model. They were treated thus, so they must in turn, ensure that the next generation fares no better.

Until the women wake up and refuse to go along nothing will change. Rights are never granted, they are fought for and earned.

Fauzia was a fighter. There need to be more Fauzias.

...SR
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#63 Posted by SR on May 18, 2005 11:15:35 pm
The blame lies with the women

This is not the first time the subject has been raised on Chowk. The subject of continued treatment of our young women as if they were domesticated farm animals, raised on one farm only to be transferred to another farm to be settled so that they can begin breeding. This, of course, is the extreme model and then there are the milder varients where the owner afford some measure of latitude to the young woman so she can meet with the stud from the other farm before being committed.

It is a system that has been in place for centuries but the advent of the steam engine and gun powder started wittling away at it. Now a couple of centuries later this system is losing its grip but its still going strong in many societies. The modernists typically blame men, male dominance and patriarchy for the continuation of this system. I beg to disagree. Its the women themselves that are responsible for it. Why should the men change such a system which does not enslave them?

Its the mothers that are the banner carriers of this system. It is they who play the most pernicious role in perpetuating the model. They were treated thus, so they must in turn, ensure that the next generation fares no better.

Until the women wake up and refuse to go along nothing will change. Rights are never granted, they are fought for and earned.

Fauzia was a fighter. There need to be more Fauzias.

...SR
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#64 Posted by Romair on May 18, 2005 11:44:42 pm
``Fauzia stood in front a full length mirror, staring at her naked body. Her skin was a smooth mocha colored canvas of beauty on which were painted the dark chocolate areolas and a black triangle of hidden mystery.``

Look, if you are going to start out a story, with such excitement, then could you extend and finish it with an equal amount of excitement..........What an anti-climax........

I think in Chapter 2, we need to find out how Fauzia discovers herself, a bit more..........for sociological reasons, of course............
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#65 Posted by amrita on May 18, 2005 11:47:09 pm
Jang - you got me! Never read that one. :( Tell me more if you find it.

RE: the general discussion - none of the truly progressive men [ i.e. men who didnt have to be convinced or converted to the idea that women have an equal right to things like dignity, sexuality, politics, reproduction, free will, etc] I have ever known have ever thought of themselves as ``progressive men``. They simply held those beliefs as part of who they were.

and the reason for that is their upbringing - not just the mom or the dad but the mom and the dad. Its all very well to blame one or the other and God knows there`re enough facts on both sides to support each claim but most kids learn from the example of both parents.
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#66 Posted by rahulmal on May 19, 2005 12:12:11 am
Being the acting president of UPA (Ugly &/Unsuccessful People`s Association), I demand equal consideration from women who are pushing `look beyond the mirror`, `it doesn`t matter what you have in the vallet` garbage on this board. Yes, the fair damsels might fall for a crow but only if he has enough moolah to present a diamond ring once in a while.
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#67 Posted by rozaiba on May 19, 2005 1:02:08 am
Vaisay this is a serious article. Like, alot of people say `oh that whole process of bride selection is bad and all`.... but eventually resign to the process.

Of what use `sincerity` of emotions if they are crushed for practicality and social norms?
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#68 Posted by harimau on May 19, 2005 1:58:48 am
Ref Saminasha #52

[Echoboom Sahib,

For once I am in agreement with you. I am waiting for a heroine far more exciting than one that has the courage to practice self determination....I am looking for my muse-the desi woman who captures, interrogates, tortures and beats to death frothing fundos....that I think, would excite all of us literary types to no end...much better than mere sexual agency, dont you think?]

I think that is easily arranged. Let her join the US Army as an interprter serving in Gitmo Bay!

(Exit, bowing to applause)
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#69 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on May 19, 2005 3:44:13 am
A tête-à-tête story

Any interest in Adab?

“Fanoon-e-Latifa” I understood
Yeah some with Poetry? I replied with my breath out for first time in the exchange.

(There was a Pause) and I was thinking as a repercussion of the conversation, no use to harm this topic.
But her only English speaking words only coming back forth induced me to reply her inquires.
It was then anguish which appeared on my faces, and with a feeling, for your interest only I am telling you…

“Yes I do poetry…”

The next disgusting thing was …. In Urdu?

I knew my compel of not using any English word during the conversation has made her mind to ask this question.

In both...I answered softly.

In English too? She stressed with claim of unbelieving?
This time his bald/fat husband altered his eye balls diagonally with some sense of appraisal at this point in whole conversation.

And I smiled just. Wish could laugh.

I just eyed my mother then and looked her feeling. I knew she would bring a Dewan for evidence if I had one.

The bamboozle in the room has now lifted to the ceiling. And I was focused to the little 2.5 years baby who was busy in collecting brand new spoons my mother has taken out from the drawer that day just to cater these guests. Now she was playing with plates. Took the whole patty in mouth, and was eager to eat the chaat despite her mommy was telling the infectivity she could get after eating. Little she could talk, more how come she listen to. But it was a fun to see her understand the English oblique commands of her Doctor mommy just like a little puppy.
The conversation was bipolar now. Among the elderly males on one corner. And focused on me at ladies side exhausting corollaries on me, my career, my hobbies, the school, colleges, universities I went through. She sensed me out some and it became apparent on her face and talk now. But I sensed emptiness as the timer my mother had given me of 5 minutes has figuratively exploded. I gave an expression of “I am leaving” to mother who visage permission and I came out of room.
She was wandering from room to room and came in my room. TeleTebiz she found hanging in my room. And that was the only word she spoke profoundly.


After they left I told my father. I don’t like them. And there are so many reasons…
Yaeh I know that he replied.
But he also subdued many queries of mine. Those daughters of Ex-Army families have a habit of speaking English though they don’t find it atypical in their hubs, communities.
Okay, okay,
I don’t like them, I said decisively to the one who matter to me the most and they respected it. And I looked at mommy who had persuaded me for the sitting. There wasn’t any air of that situation in the follow-ups

(The End)

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#72 Posted by drlokraj on May 19, 2005 4:12:31 am
It is a fact that in the sub-continent,average middle and lower middle class girls go through this very painful and egodystonic experince of being presented like a commodity in a market,and being scruitinized,bargained and rejected.So many girls go into depression or psychosomatic/somatoform illnesses.But the solution suggested here is far more fairy tail like.It is more of a fantasy rather than being plausible possibility.How many parents will be willing to,leave alone afford to take such a step.Also I fail to understand why just westernization is seen as solution for all our problems when in most cases that is actually the cause of our problem.Har chamkanay wali cheez sona nahiN hoti....we teach this to our children,how much do we follow it ouselves?
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#74 Posted by shobig_sifar on May 19, 2005 4:32:53 am
Now this is a unique piece of writing! Despite being utterly demoralising, it has got quite a few morals...

- Above75% of desi females do not get married, and have to eventually delve into masturbation-and-sleeping-around habits, since hardly 25% of girls would fall into that
`special` category that renders them acceptable.

-Only desi men seek beauty and perfection, and so are selective..now that is a highly distinguishing attribute!(SHREK was an exception)

-Parents of girls should keep a reasonable sum of money safe, so that in case their daughters fail to find a legitimate partner, they could send their daughters to west, to enjoy their share of illegitimate partnerships.

-Even though, it is the boy`s mother- a woman herself- who plays the dominant role in the approval or rejection of a certain girl, still the `desi` boy is to be blamed.

-Girls and their parents do not put forth any demands or conditions whatsoever on the `laRa`s` parents, and are really really submissive. I am living in utopia, wake me up!

-Desi men do not adore mocha chokolate skins and curvy bodies.(sheer misconception- ask me!)

-Last but not the least, standing naked in front of a full-length mirror staring at your body, leads, ultimately, to masturbation!...can`t help agreeing to this bit at least.

touche :((

shobig

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#75 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 4:35:30 am
Harimau,

Forget Gitmo.

The payback for centuries of oppression under fundo totalitarianism will reduce Gitmo to a speck of dust. The fundos know what I`m talking about-they are so scared they are babbling ganaa shair from the halcyon days of yore....you know, when the crushing inequity of the subcontinental genders was escaped by insipid bollywood ``charm``.....
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#76 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 5:00:35 am
Nadia_Zehra: 69
That was really very well written. Is it yours? Translated from Urdu? from which..?

In the passage the atmosphere is leaden & time seems almost at a standstill. Superb indeed!

What a great reply to ``litlechery`` above.

Thanks.


drlokraj:

It is about ecology.

Destruction of cultural ecology. ( newly-coined term!)

Just as the white-man has plundered & pillaged the physical world [ earth water, air , & light], he is hell bent upon polluting the emotional, cultural, and spiritual world also with his poison of greed, ego and transforming the world into his own image.

It is consumerism which is strangulating humanity. It is this this Mayaa-kaa-jaal ( the net/web of material possessions). Snakes of mayaa in the closets. One has to plan, organise, and create systems just to maintain stuff one may or may not use ever. Unopened gifts; gadgets--used once only; etc etc ; Even charity and giving-away is a method, an organisation; something for which one must find time.

It is the entire foundation of western-thought which has to be razed & buried so deep that future-archaeologists should find it difficult to unearth.



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#77 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 5:03:41 am
``Time at a standstill``....even the irony of that phrase escapes the Great Diaper Sahib....
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#78 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 5:11:16 am
Amrita,

Granted some people dont define themselves through terminology, rather, their actions. But there are many fine people who are very conscious of who they are and the principles they support. The trouble is, too many men buy into this ``feminazi`` shite...they dont have the will to define themselves as feminists. That would take an articulation that they`d rather avoid...same with women.....

Terra,

When women 1. cant vote 2. dont have equal career ops 3. cant choose their own spiritual belief systems 4.cant occupy leadership positions in political, religious, academic, military, govt, and health institutions 5. are policed in all aspects of their lives to perform within patriarchical binaries, what power do you think they are willing to ``take``? How many will use the domestic sphere to exercise the power of manipulation? This is no power at all.

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#79 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on May 19, 2005 5:17:02 am
Re: #76 by echoboom on May 19, 2005 5:00am PT

Yeah, mine it is :)
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#80 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 5:25:50 am
Nadia_Zehra:79
Please print , if possible, all of it in your i-log.

The true test of bad writing here is that it adorns the front-page [E & OE]. Worse are feature writers. When monkeys get possession of coconuts, this is what happens.

I hope Ba Ba Blacksheep is eavesdropping.



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#81 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 5:31:55 am
Nadia Zehra,

Please dont be swayed by the flattery of old men obsessed with sex. Your piece is good, but it needs a lot of revising, more focus, and a great deal of editing. Yes, its very nice that you write both in Urdu and English, but what you were trying to convey was lost in the murkiness of your prose.

With the proper revision, your piece will make it to front page.

-S
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#87 Posted by shobig_sifar on May 19, 2005 6:51:28 am
Re: # 82 Agreed!

However, a few important points that you skipped through, add to the poor chap`s dilemma..
-Even though he might possess as good ASSETS as his sister did, even the western society won`t let Fauzan publicly exhibit them, thus further deminishing his chances to attract Joan`s attention.
-Being sponsored by his family for higher education, he would be constantly kept under vigil and asked for a payback by the family, unlike Fauzia who ws just left unchecked by her family, thus resulting in futher stress and disgust for the kid.
-The boy can`t even vent his agony after returning home attaining all that higher education and getting brains by rejecting the girls approaching him for the rishta...coz no girls look for the brains, and he still happens to maintain the same looks!
so yes, Fauzan is the truly taumatized soul!
sigh
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#82 Posted by atif2 on May 19, 2005 6:11:49 am
I feel that I have been conned into reading this article by the author. The summary on the front page was too alluring. The actual content was disappointing. I feel cheated. Violated, if you will. But since I`ve already read it, I might as well say a few things.

While Fauzia has been sufficiently applauded / condemned for her stance, my thoughts go deeper than that. I am worried about her younger brother Fauzan. He too is the inheritor of ``dark chocolate areolas``. As for his ``dark triangle``, well, thanks to the abundance of hindoo genes in the family, nothing much protrudes out of it either - at least nothing significant enough for him to write home about.

His sister was able to flaunt her goods in the west and successfully allure John - a connoisseur of chocolaty areolas. The last sentence of this story gives the full details of why John fell for Fauzia - ``[he] loved her for who she was: a dark, sexy, princess of the East.`` Notice, no mention of her education or her brains. In that, John was no different than any man, or at least no better than the boys back home (the anti-heroes of this story) whose only crime was that they preferred pinkish areolas.

Back to why I am worried about Fauzan. He too is headed for west. But he cannot hope to allure girls by merely flaunting his goods - like his sister did. If a Joan really wanted to marry a dark man based on his goods, she would rather go with a black man - with something significant enough protruding from his ``dark triangle`` for HER to write home about.

For Fauzan now, there is only one way - the hard way. He HAS to work hard, excel in school and perhaps save enough to keep a sports car.

In my books, its Fauzan who comes out as the true tragedy of this story.
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#83 Posted by midihash on May 19, 2005 6:21:42 am
interesting piece, but ``and a black triangle of hidden mystery``?? That made me clench my buttocks just a teensy bit - too cliched in a Mills & Boon-ish coy soft-porn kind of way.
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#84 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 6:32:19 am
Atif,

Perhaps you should revisit your own narrow interpretation of ``sexy``.....sexy to me is a balance of intellect, soulfulness, strength and attractiveness....
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#91 Posted by drlokraj on May 19, 2005 7:51:55 am
Re: # 85
That was superb.PaRosan is one of my all time favourite movies.You can see Mehmood at his best.
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#85 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 6:33:45 am
atif2:82
You`re good .
It is called tit-for-tattaa.


Aao Aao chalo gitmo chalaiN

vahaaN eik dominatrix unobsessed by sex
untouched by manly hands,
has never had her `regulars`
now wants it on cammand
still a virgin , unexplored
is waiting to whiplash all men
who always like to see hymen
intact before expiry date
they might be old,
but never late.

toa Aao Aao chalaiN
zaraa gitmo chalaiN



Open in another window, to listen and read lyrics at the same time.

Ek chatur naar

ek chatur nAr kar ke si.ngAr
mere man ke dvAr ye ghusat jaat
ham marat jaat, are he he he
yak chatur nAr kar ke si.ngAr threedots

pa re sa, sa sa sa ni dh sa
sa re sa dha dha pa
pa dha sa re sa
sa re ga dha pa

yak chatur nar kar ke si.ngaa threedots r

ki: ##ummm ## dham
mah: ayyo !
ki: are dham, o dham, o dham dham dham ruk
##umm ## bru - 2
o a aa i ii u U e ai o au a.n a: ##(vowels)##
um nAm nAm nAm nAm nAm nAm
nAm nAm lama lama lama lama la
um bal bal bal bal re,
bal bal bal bal re, bal bal bal bal re
om

ek chatur nAr ba.DI hoshiyAr - 2
apane hI jaal me.n phasat jaat
ham hasat jaat are ho ho ho ho ho !
ek chatur nAr ba.DI hoshiyar


su: tuu kyo.n threedots
mah: chhI re

kare lAkh lAkh duniyA chaturAI
chhuTTI kar dU.ngA mai.n usakI
abake jo AvAz lagAI
chhuTTI kar dU.ngA, aa aa aa threedots
tA jum, taka jum, taka num, yaka jum
tak tankidia threedots


ki: pa.Dh ke botan chIr bi chakkar - 2 (?)
har bud khudi -budi khud kar - 2
chhiTake to rere mon mAkhan - 2
sab chale gaye, sab chale gaye chidamudh chiting chitubud
chitubud gaay, chitubud gaay, chitubud haay haay haay

jA re, jaa re kAre kAgA
kA kA kA kyo.n shor machaaye
us nArI kA dAs nA ban jo
rAh chalat ko rAh bulAe

kaalaa re jaa re jaa re
are nAle me.n jaake tuu mu.Nh dhoke aa
Kaalaa re ga re ga re

mah: ye ga.Daba.D jI
ki: o gA re gA re
mah: ye sur badalA
ki: o gA re gA re
mah: ye hamako maTakA bolA
ki : o gA re gA re
mah: ye sur kidhar hai jI, ye sur threedots; ye threedots, ennAyA idhu ##(Tamil)##
yek chatur naar threedots
am chho.DegA nahii.n jI
yek chatur naar threedots
am paka.Dake rakhegA jI

ye ghusat jaat
ham marat jaat are aa aa aa

tuu kyA jAne kyA hai nArI
jis tan laage more nainA
usape sArI duniyA vArI

mah: nAch nA jaane, A.ngan te.DhA
Teee.DhA, Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA - 4
naach nA jaane, aa.ngan Te.DhA
Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA Te.DhA - 4
us sa.ng lAge more nainA
abake jo AvAz lagAI

ki: o Te.Dhe!
mah: oy
ki: o ke.De!
mah: o yA
ki: are sIdhe ho jaa re
sIdhe ho jaa re
sIdhe ho jaa
vAh rI cha.ndaniyA, vAh re chakore
rAm banAI ye kaisii jo.DI
kare nachAyA tA tA thaiyyA
tAl pe naache la.nga.DI gho.DI
are dekhI
are dekhI terI chaturAI

mah: ye phir ga.Daba.D
ki: are dekhI terI chaturaaI
mah: phir bhaTakAyA
ki: tujhe suro.n kI samajh nahii.n aaI
tUne korI ghAs hI khAI
are gho.De!
mah: ye gho.DA bolA
ki: o nigo.De!
mah: ye gaalI diyA
ki: are dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: gho.De dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: gho.De dekhI terI chaturAI
mah: yek chatur naar threedots
ki: ek chatur naar threedots
ki: ek chatur naar threedots
mah: ayyo gho.De terI threedots
ki: are gho.De terI threedots
mah: kyA re ye gho.DA -chatur, gho.DA -chatur bolA,
yek pe rahanA yA gho.DA bolo yA chatur bolo threedots gaao
ki: ek chatur naar ba.DI hoshiyaar
apane hI jaal me.n phasat jaat
ek chatur naar! ##(Tune becomes faster here) ##
ba.DI hoshiyArI!
ye ghusat jaat
mah: ham marat jaat, marat jaat ##(Mahmood gets stuck) ##
ye aTak gayaa !!!

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#86 Posted by Saminasha on May 19, 2005 6:38:08 am
Acha...diaper shab has started ba-ba-baping....is he rocking himself back and forth in anxiety, I wonder?
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#88 Posted by sajal on May 19, 2005 7:31:53 am
Women have never been able to exert control over anything relating to their daily existence. There is an imbalance of power between the males and the females leading to further exploitation and domination. It is sad that a woman cannot even decide in matters pertaining to her fertility then how dare we even think she is going to get rights to emotional, psychological, social, financial and sexual freedom.
In our society we believe the saying “Women are their own worst enemy” which rings true because men hold all the power and women compete for the power. Women gain their power and status from men and then use that power in the private domain of their homes. “ Women`s power is exercised through their influence on men, so therefore, women must become rivals and compete with each other for power” Thus the oppressed become the oppressors.


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#90 Posted by hamidm2 on May 19, 2005 7:46:15 am
............ i find the whole concept of going out to ``look`` at girls rather demeaning ..........

.........but things are changing for the better ............ now if we can only keep the dark forces of retrogression at bay, our daughters will not have to suffer fauzia`s humiliation ..............
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#92 Posted by Charlie on May 19, 2005 7:58:40 am
Does the story mean that :

1. Traditional Pakistani women are too much dependent. If by chance, some of them become independent, they start considering themselves someone out of the world. Dark, short, egoistic Pakistani men are unfit for them. Their standards ``goes up`` to Gara Chitta Johns and Jims.

2. Almost every Paki lady, since her childhood dreams of being a ``princess`` who lives in the palace of her prince. In real life, her ``prince`` works in some office for a dozen of hours a day. How bad is it for the princess who feel bored during this time of watching cable channels. Muft Khori Pakistani Khvateen. Then they demand of equality of rights. Purpose of life for Pakistani women is to find a suitable ``baqra`` named ``prince`` who can take care of them for whole of his life. Fauzia was an exception because she didn`t get this oppurtunity.

Well done writer. You didn`t summarizes the story and let the readers extract their own lessons..
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#93 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 7:58:53 am
but this is what the smart, intelligent, beautiful and the bright ones have to say.

Nadia_Zehra wrote an excerpt from her great story ( #69).
Nadia_Zehra


Here is another one.
Succubus: ilog On Fauzia`s na Simply brilliant.
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#94 Posted by echoboom on May 19, 2005 8:06:59 am
charlie:92

You might have a point. Very astute, I must admit.

The sad part is that amidst the cacophony & stampede to write instant `literature` a lot of ``progressives`` resort to these suicide-bombing equivalents of becoming `authors` overnight.

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#98 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 19, 2005 9:20:20 am
Re: # 95
Thus, Speaketh the Literary Critic!
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#95 Posted by Godot on May 19, 2005 8:37:08 am

I read this piece out of curiosity and found it to be completely devoid of any literary merit whatsoever...it’s nothing but grumbling of a sexually starved renegade fit for a chat among the bimbos.
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#96 Posted by temporal on May