Compounded Waste

i most respectfully submit that it is not jesus who failed. or gandhi or dr. king. we failed. if they gave us a light which is still burning then how could they have failed?

ye bhi sochnay ki baat hai o wise one.

ana

am: #14:

jang`s response was on an oft repeated quote here by me:

pehlay insaan, phir musalmaan: pehlay khuda, phir rasool: pehlay ta`alim phir tafheem...:)

A certain amount of haivaaniyat is also involved and everybody likes to justify it in diff ways. Thats why not every suicide bomber was born of Palestine.

...yes, being an insaan means controlling the dormant haiwaan in our self...it is when this inner barrier...this menmen is damaged or broken that the haiwaan is unleashed on the unsuspecting...aushwitz, `47, bosnia, rwanda, chechenya and others i mentioned in #10...resulting in more misery...

...wars and mitigated violence do not solve problems, they create them

...so what if ostensibly jesus, mkg, mlk and others failed...they lit a light...we stumble...but less...in that there is hope...the insaan will win...i fervently hope and pray...

lve

t

Re: # 11

well if you are very clear that the dog and the underdog are both wrong then what kind of answers you are looking for.

According to the laws of nature there has to be an original sin, which started it all; since you are clear, what is it?

shishapa #12:

While you can get rid of likes of GWB`s peacefully or have to endure them probably not more than 8 or 12 years, how do you get rid of OBLs?

i understand what you are saying...but my concern is with the mindset they develop and leave behind...how to change and reverse that mentality...that thinking?

rgds

t

#17 by amrita

masses (people) of hiroshima were living under an antiquated imperialistic, casteist neo-samurai system, under which the elite ruled ruthlessly over proles who worked very hard with little say, and commited and occasional sepukku out of visions of grandeur. now (whosever survived unmaimed) lives free. not to mention rest of asia was relived of the rising-sun empire.

harish_hyd #5: and drlokraj # 8:
thanks


hamidm2 # 9:

..... the middlle east and the larger islamic world has to be cleansed and suicide bombers and civilian casualties are a small price to pay in order to secure the future of mankind ....

this is another twist on white man`s burden?... an impossibly hard sell in today`s global world...

... as long as aberrations like saudi arabia, syria and iran remain this will go on .......... america must stay the course, even if it takes fity years - this is not any different than the struggle against communism ........ freedom comes at a cost .........

...freedom? what freedom?...it is all slavery and subjugation by another name...like calling interest mark-up in so called islamic banking...

...i do not think on an esoteric level anyone is free...there is no absolute freedom...having said that...the limited freedom that is available in the west needs to be applauded and its absence in the thrid world deplored...

...and any criticism of the US should be mixed with applause too...only in the US the Zinns, Chomskys and Ekbal Ahmeds can freely speak their mind and not be silenced...only in the US abdul-hates can utter their says and survive!

...relative saftey and economic progress can be provided the populace in direct absence of the touted freedoms...paging exhibit A...China!

rgds

t

Re: # 15
not the people in hiroshima who still live the consequences of that day.

ozerkhalid #4:

But are US intransigence and Osama`s arrogance not two sides of the same coin ?... Both lieutenants of lunacy....?

yes, and both of them talk to God...with mere mortals caught in their spiral...

good quote `` What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the Holy name of liberty or democracy?

back to my query...how can we (those relatively living in safety) take steps to reduce the misery of the innocent civilians?

rgds

t

``You do what you do and hope to God that you dont live to wake up on a nuclear morning. ``

very interesting..hiroshima did wake up that way giving way to a forever changed japan (for the better)

t - jang said ``pehle insaan`` and I would like to say the same albeit in a slightly different context. When you wonder as a Muslim why other Muslims do something you as a Muslim see prohibited by the faith they ostensibly defend, you forget the insaaniyat of those Muslims and see them as they have presented themselves - Muslim. Period.

Insaaniyat is a positive term as used commonly, but man is not so far removed from his animal roots for all traces of it to have disappeared from his make up. A certain amount of haivaaniyat is also involved and everybody likes to justify it in diff ways. Thats why not every suicide bomber was born of Palestine.

For the rest there are no easy answers, there are no quick fixes and you know as well as I do that the blind cannot be forced to see. Its just a never ending run around the mulberry bush.

And those who see more to the issue than the bomb em, knife em, shoot em and solve it crowd [whoever or whichever religion they might be] have a longer run around their particular bush than any of the others. Its easier to kill people than live alongside them when you dont like what they have to say. If not even Gandhi or King - or if you want to take it further and religiously back, Jesus - could entirely carry the day, then what price us? You do what you do and hope to God that you dont live to wake up on a nuclear morning.

sattar2 # 3:

...how can this cycle be contained....

this is what i hope to learn from others here...am aware there are no simple answers...but there is something (sigh) that the silent majority can do to alleviate the sufferings of the innocents everywhere...even a little...even a drop...

rgds

t

While you can get rid of likes of GWB`s peacefully or have to endure them probably not more than 8 or 12 years, how do you get rid of OBLs?

Urstruly #2:

you should make up your mind. Either you are with the underdog or against it. i don`t think that there is any room for neutrality left now.

:)

making up my mind?...while it is never easy i am very clear about which direction not to venture...i vehemently reject the approach of GWB and OBL...i am not with either of them...my world is not tunnel-visioned like theirs...

rgds

t

jang #1

why is any nation or people innnocent? ....why not accept some responsibility?
i never mentioned any nation being innocent...that would be sheer folly...the main thrust is innocent civvies...be they in baghdad, mosul, darfur, moscow, kashmir, bombay, delhi, karachi, quetta...

as for accepting responsibility i did mention ..``The majority of moderate Muslims are not above blame.``

rgds

t

temporal mian,

..... the middlle east and the larger islamic world has to be cleansed and suicide bombers and civilian casualties are a small price to pay in order to secure the future of mankind .......... as long as aberrations like saudi arabia, syria and iran remain this will go on .......... america must stay the course, even if it takes fity years - this is not any different than the struggle against communism ........ freedom comes at a cost .........

Re: # 6

Gracias Harish. Your comments on Kashmiris and Naxalites are spot-on.