Compounded Waste

Ref amrita #50

Don`t you have a Gay/Lesbo parade to march in this weekend?

amrita #34

`` Jang - we completely differ on the proven efficiency of nuclear bombs. First of all that was a 50 kilotonne bomb that was dropped on H&N - the average bomb today is 150 kilotonne. H&N were relatively small potatoes compared to say Bombay, the primary target if Pakistan decides to bomb India. The kind of devastation that can come in its wake was actually calculated by an Indian prof from MIT I think, lemme know and I`ll find out the name - its very intersting and all the more shocking when you think its a conservative estimate. So the only efficiency, to me, is in bringing death and perhaps as a deterrent. People are actually rethinking the deterrent angle right now. ``

The yield of the Indian nukes was 45 kT. Pakistani nukes had yields ranging from 6kT to 15 KT. I doubt Pakistan has 150 kT nuke unless China gave them the design.

`` The nuclear option was unnecessary in Japan, as has been admitted by the Allied forces and esp America repeatedly. Yes, it hastened the end but analysts and military historians have always agreed that the war wouldnt have lasted much longer and once the war was over, the Japanese were anyway headed right where they are today. Minus the deformed babies, the new caste of untouchables [the descendants of H&N arent welcome to marry into most `untainted` families irrespective of their visible health], the inceased rates of cancer, shortened life expectancies and rare diseases. The nukes were an experiment and they were a tool to humiliate. They werent a favor of any kind and you`ll never find a Japanese person who`d say so.``

Give America the credit of rebuilding their old adversary into a powerful peaceful country. Japan is the second most powerful state in the world. Please show us something comparable in history.

Re: # 51

I`ll give America whatever credit you wish - but you have to admit that the nuke option was unnecessary and America itself admitted so. My point is that the kind of devastation that nukes can unleash today [and personally I dont trust China as far as I can throw it, bhai bhai or no bhai bhai] is much greater than the H&N ones. Japan`s achevements are wonderful but they werent headed in a dramatically different direction without the bomb. And also, India and Pakistan are no Japan and America are they?

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Harimou - post was a perfect example of bubble living and wishful thinking: you`re firing potshots at random and hoping something will stick in my craw. Well, try again... an LGBT parade isnt my weak spot.

Awww… I seem to have touched all kinds of nerves. You see, what you will never understand is that you’ve become irrelevant before you were ever able to establish your relevancy thanks entirely to your own efforts. All you can do is piss into the wind and cackle like a hyena in the vain hope that a little of the spray will make it in the direction you pointed it at.

You are welcome to think what you wish about my life and my contribution to the world or how much of it I have seen – it makes absolutely no difference to me because I know what I have accomplished and there are a lot of people around the world [who matter a great deal more than a little pissant like you] who also know what I have accomplished and in the end, that is what matters the most. I am not looking for validation from you or your kind. So your hopeful imprecations only serve to show you up for the irrelevant rabid dog that you are. And I say this not in a fit of anger or in a hope to put you down, mind you – but as a dispassionate observer of your silly antics. Please don’t ever think I am angry at you – amused yes, occasionally irritated, I frequently ignore you too but I have yet to be angered by you. I keep my anger for those who matter.

I tell you what – I am willing to look into the eyes of any person whose life my views may affect or about whose life I have an opinion, and repeat every one of my views to their face and defend them too. I have the guts and the conviction and it extends far beyond my taxes and posts on a website. How about you? In post 40 you made some noises – about the people of Dharavi, liberals and MV Ramanna.

I put it to you that the only group or person out of those three that you will be willing to repeat your suggestions to, face to face, are the liberals. And that too, only if you’re sure that they don’t belong to the radical left and aren’t your equivalents on the left. The day you can put a face to your inane suggestions and have the guts to repeat face to face your convictions to the people you hope to affect [and this means you go to Dharavi and tell em - severally and individually - how your solution to their problem is a nuclear explosion and to Allahabad and tell em how you`re tired of them being illiterate and what they need is a bomb] – come back and we’ll talk and I`ll help set up the meetings in both cities.

Oh I forgot – you don’t know how to talk…. All you can do is rant and rave and when you’re shown up in that you begin to froth and then you want to kill em all but don’t have the guts for it and do a sudden volte face and offer lines like “the only rational thing…vote for political parties”. Bah!

Am I supposed to get upset when something like you gets in my face? High hopes.

Ref American Rita #42

[Harimou - the real difference between you and the jehadis you profess to despise is that they have the connections and sufficient daring to carry out their fantasies. You, on the other hand, are only capable of talking and talking and talking and talking and.... And you arent even very good at that or else you would have accomplished enough at your age to stop frothing at the mouth every time someone has an opinion differing from yours.]

Actually, I do support my opinions the only legally correct way: contribute to political parties/candidates that mostly agree with my viewpoints. Also, my taxes have paid for the F-16s that Pakistan received and will again receive in the future so that I can claim to have supported at least some part of my wishes to nuke Bombay.

You on the other hand are the archetype of the hand-wringing, fund-raising through bake sale, street matching liberal who hasn`t accomplished squat for all her efforts. I wouldn`t be surprised if your favorite candidate during the last Presidential election was Dennis Kucinich. Your personal efforts at bridge-building with our neighbors through a Bangladeshi boyfriend also seem to have come to naught both on the personal front and on the political front as can be seen by the killing of an Indian oficer by Bangladesh.

Frothing at the mouth is the result of congregating with rabid Commie/Liberal/Secularist dogs. All your friends would belong to this category with the exception of the Iraqi ragheads that you would have picked up in the last three years.

[Anyhoo, it appears you never leave your state or read the paper or watch TV because its pretty common knowledge that there is considerably more to Bbay than Dharavi - there are the thousands of commuters who come into the city to work as well as all those hardworking millions who`ve already made Bbay their home, for eg.]

Have you ventured outside Greenwich Village, NYC? Shut up and don`t talk about things you are clueless about, which is almost everything. As far as the hardworking Mumbaikars and the commuters, they are replaceable cogs in the wheel too. If they go up in smoke, that is no skin off my nose.

As I used to tell North Indians, the only trouble with the Indian nuclear tests was that they were carried out underground. Low-altitude tests over Allahabad would have accomplished so much more! Can you think of a single weapon more powerful against illiteracy? I don`t think so!

[Right - now go back to your comfortable rants and dream a little dream where only your irrelevant opinion carries weight.]

Yep, it is because of your street demonstrations that yesterday Bush announced that he is withdrawing from Iraq.

``Compunded waste`` describes you to a T.

ntsyed (re #44):

“… Very simple - live and let live! …

Apply this rule to people of other faiths also. Insisting that some circumstances require that they be killed … is hypocrisy.

…. if some wish to live in the 7th century arabia, why is it a problem for anyone …”

And if someone wishes to leave Islam … why is it a problem for you? You’d rather have this person killed for apostasy. Same goes for blasphemy (recall your support for the recorded “pregnant slave” hadith).

Ummah is reaping what it sowed. This would be a good time to reflect. Sahib, temporal is one of the most thoughtful person around. Efforts such as his at waking people’s conscience are probably ummah’s last hope out of the quagmire they are in. Don’t upset the only civilized guy on your side …

[… didn’t mean to put you on the spot, t bhai … magar yaar, haramee-pun ke bhe hud hoti hai …]

Re: # 48

Apply this rule to people of other faiths also.
Read my post again without your dyslexia and you’ll find more faiths listed along with Islam.

Insisting that some circumstances require that they be killed … is hypocrisy.
Really Sattu? OMG, why was your hero Tim McVeigh executed?

And if someone wishes to leave Islam … why is it a problem for you? You’d rather have this person killed for apostasy. Same goes for blasphemy (recall your support for the recorded “pregnant slave” hadith).
No problem here Dry Sattu… IF, you keep your apostate self in check and NOT pose a threat to the society in any manner you’ll be safe. For blasphemy, read my post to teshah at A Journey Through Our Conscience: #299 after you’ve cleared the gunk from your eyes. Ample reasons are provided there to put you back on your prescription of talking to my hand.

Ummah is reaping what it sowed. This would be a good time to reflect. Sahib, temporal is one of the most thoughtful person around. Efforts such as his at waking people’s conscience are probably ummah’s last hope out of the quagmire they are in. Don’t upset the only civilized guy on your side …
Ummah has yet to begin reaping the latest harvest. In the last harvest they enjoyed the superpower status for more or less a millennium. ;-)~~

He may very well be a thoughtful person, although he hasn’t proven so when it comes to Islam. On this particular issue he seems to follow the Pied piper and parrot the predominant anti-Muslim media. The only thing is that he does it better than you. Hence, your admiration for him is understandable and commendable. Ironically though, your endorsement hurts his credibility even more so. ;-)~~

Nevertheless, it`s not him or I or any other human who will get the Ummah out of the current turmoil...Almighty Allah will. Rest assured when He does, apostates will be flocking back to Islam.

[… didn’t mean to put you on the spot, t bhai … magar yaar, haramee-pun ke bhe hud hoti hai …]
Thank you for your gali-gufta… you have no idea what it does for my aakhira. ;-)~~

Ciao kiddo

#44:

I`m sure your two eyes would want to pop out of your head.

am moved by your concern for my vision

now, you answer the query that haimd mir asked osama ...with the ayah number, please...then we will talk more....

rgds,

t

Re: # 47

temporal,

Considering your lack of vision on this topic, I’m neither worried about nor did I refer to it. The vision refers to the ability (not restricted to eyesight) to “see”, not just “look”, at things, not just tangible objects, at considerable distances in all possible directions. So, it’s your “eye-balls” I was referring to in literal terms.

Anyhow… firstly, Hamid Mir’s question is inherently flawed; and you and your ilk have adopted it for same reason as his – to be accepted by the Western might to avoid DHS, gitmo, etc.

It is flawed because it excludes the Ahadith Qudsi, and the Sahih ahadith (authentic traditions) of the Prophet (saw) for substantiation. Exclusion of these is to maintain belligerent unbelief in the footsteps of Abu Jahal, Abu Lahab, current neocons and Zionists, and their ilk across the globe throughout the last 1400 years.

Such tactics are also a trademark of the hypocrites who twist the Quranic verses to suit their personal short-term agenda.

As I’ve always maintained, Quran cannot be understood in its entirety without those two critical elements. Any attempt to do so leads to innovation (bid’a), which in turn leads to damnation. So study all three elements for yourself instead of copying and pasting others to reinforce your ignorance.

I can provide you with ample evidence to answer your query, and it will be thorough enough to keep your mind spinning out of control for years to come. But judging from your Hamid Mir stance and bullhorn functionality for the Zionist/Neocon propaganda to modify Islam ever since I’ve been here, you’re not open, or aren’t matured enough, to debate the ground realities with an open mind.

However, if you are sincerely looking for evidence, it should not be a problem for to conduct a minor research (since you’ve already alluded to some reasons in this direction) to find your answers, instead of looking at others to provide you with one. Majority of mainstream Muslims are not silent without a reason…most of them are capable of looking at both sides of the picture unlike some self-proclaimed “moderate” myopic Muslims. Speaking of so-called “moderate Muslims”, you or your ilk have yet to define the term in a crystal clear manner.

Once you’ve done the research, and made your own conclusions instead of parroting other’s, then being at same level we’ll talk.

ntsyed

harimou, dharavi is a very productive multi-purpose residential-cum-industrial-cum shopping zone, and its GDP is more than that of chennai, code-coolies included. why would you want to nuke it?

This ``Compounded Waste`` has elicited 41 interacts(including mine).I lost a bet i made with a friend of mine whom i forced to read this essay for the purpose of betting on the no.of interacts.I now have to buy dinner also.Drats.

Ref amrita #34

[.... First of all that was a 50 kilotonne bomb that was dropped on H&N - the average bomb today is 150 kilotonne.]

The bombs are estimated to be at 12 kilotons and 20 kilotons for Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively.

[H&N were relatively small potatoes compared to say Bombay, the primary target if Pakistan decides to bomb India. The kind of devastation that can come in its wake was actually calculated by an Indian prof from MIT I think, lemme know and I`ll find out the name - its very intersting and all the more shocking when you think its a conservative estimate. So the only efficiency, to me, is in bringing death and perhaps as a deterrent. People are actually rethinking the deterrent angle right now.]

You mean Dharavi, the pride of you frikking liberals and self-proclaimed do-gooders as the biggest slum in Asia, will get wiped out and also sterilized in the bargain? I think we should PAY Pakistan to nuke Bombay. Let Teesta Setalvad and Medha Patkar go to the Supreme Court ex post facto and try to get an injunction! Ha, ha, ha!

Is that peacenik you are talking about M V Ramana? Mount him on top of the nosecone of the Pak missile delivering The Bomb to Bombay, I say!

Re: # 40

Harimou - the real difference between you and the jehadis you profess to despise is that they have the connections and sufficient daring to carry out their fantasies. You, on the other hand, are only capable of talking and talking and talking and talking and.... And you arent even very good at that or else you would have accomplished enough at your age to stop frothing at the mouth every time someone has an opinion differing from yours.

Anyhoo, it appears you never leave your state or read the paper or watch TV because its pretty common knowledge that there is considerably more to Bbay than Dharavi - there are the thousands of commuters who come into the city to work as well as all those hardworking millions who`ve already made Bbay their home, for eg.

Right - now go back to your comfortable rants and dream a little dream where only your irrelevant opinion carries weight.

#2 by Urstruly on May 9, 2005 1:21pm PT

Osama gave Americans no choice but to come after him. Americans replied with a few cruise missiles prior to Sep-11.

dl#35:

...its all words mere words and yes, all writing is in the long-run just words..
...i smiled as i read above...iqra be ism e ...

...there was this anecdote that made the emails round...mentioning the total of eligible voters in a country...and then went on eliminating the possible voters...some were on vacation, some don`t vote, some vote for the opposition, some in jail and so on...the punch line was in the end the two voters that really mattered were the writer of that anecdote and the reader!

...perhaps nothing will come off this...in fact it is most likely that nothing will come off this...but let that not act as a deterrent...we...those who are quite and silent otherwise...must speak up...we must speak up otherwise we will continue to lose ground by default to the forces of evil...

Is it the mind or the conscience ? How can we assume either was absent in the bombers ?

this is the most intriguing and bothersome query...while i do not know for sure...nobody can...the suicide bombers do have a mind... the consience?...they must have, but it is turned off or clouded or superceded by programming and brain washing...

do you remember?

* the incident known as the JAMESTOWN MASSACRE?
* some years ago their was this lady-saint from the interior of punjab...she led her flock from there to karachi and hawkesbay (the beach)...and most perished in their attempt to walk on the water to reach najaf and karbala
* david koreish, waco, texas?

the folks that followed these leaders did have a mind and conscience...once...what snapped?...how was their better judgement clouded?...is mind susceptible to this kind of programming?...obviously

if they can be programmed then they can be de-programmed too...brainwashing and mind control can be superceded...we mustn`t give up!

lve

t

masses (people) of hiroshima were living under an antiquated imperialistic, casteist neo-samurai system, under which the elite ruled ruthlessly over proles who worked very hard with little say, and commited and occasional sepukku out of visions of grandeur. now (whosever survived unmaimed) lives free. not to mention rest of asia was relived of the rising-sun empire.

I like this approach!!! To free people of tyranny just kill or maim them. After all there is no tyranny in heaven.

Let`s adopt this approach to free all poor people of poverty.

India will become a much better place where there are no poor people and India will be catapulted into the league of first world nations.