Compounded Waste

Re: # 15
not the people in hiroshima who still live the consequences of that day.

harish_hyd #5: and drlokraj # 8:
thanks


hamidm2 # 9:

..... the middlle east and the larger islamic world has to be cleansed and suicide bombers and civilian casualties are a small price to pay in order to secure the future of mankind ....

this is another twist on white man`s burden?... an impossibly hard sell in today`s global world...

... as long as aberrations like saudi arabia, syria and iran remain this will go on .......... america must stay the course, even if it takes fity years - this is not any different than the struggle against communism ........ freedom comes at a cost .........

...freedom? what freedom?...it is all slavery and subjugation by another name...like calling interest mark-up in so called islamic banking...

...i do not think on an esoteric level anyone is free...there is no absolute freedom...having said that...the limited freedom that is available in the west needs to be applauded and its absence in the thrid world deplored...

...and any criticism of the US should be mixed with applause too...only in the US the Zinns, Chomskys and Ekbal Ahmeds can freely speak their mind and not be silenced...only in the US abdul-hates can utter their says and survive!

...relative saftey and economic progress can be provided the populace in direct absence of the touted freedoms...paging exhibit A...China!

rgds

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#17 by amrita

masses (people) of hiroshima were living under an antiquated imperialistic, casteist neo-samurai system, under which the elite ruled ruthlessly over proles who worked very hard with little say, and commited and occasional sepukku out of visions of grandeur. now (whosever survived unmaimed) lives free. not to mention rest of asia was relived of the rising-sun empire.

shishapa #12:

While you can get rid of likes of GWB`s peacefully or have to endure them probably not more than 8 or 12 years, how do you get rid of OBLs?

i understand what you are saying...but my concern is with the mindset they develop and leave behind...how to change and reverse that mentality...that thinking?

rgds

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Re: # 11

well if you are very clear that the dog and the underdog are both wrong then what kind of answers you are looking for.

According to the laws of nature there has to be an original sin, which started it all; since you are clear, what is it?

am: #14:

jang`s response was on an oft repeated quote here by me:

pehlay insaan, phir musalmaan: pehlay khuda, phir rasool: pehlay ta`alim phir tafheem...:)

A certain amount of haivaaniyat is also involved and everybody likes to justify it in diff ways. Thats why not every suicide bomber was born of Palestine.

...yes, being an insaan means controlling the dormant haiwaan in our self...it is when this inner barrier...this menmen is damaged or broken that the haiwaan is unleashed on the unsuspecting...aushwitz, `47, bosnia, rwanda, chechenya and others i mentioned in #10...resulting in more misery...

...wars and mitigated violence do not solve problems, they create them

...so what if ostensibly jesus, mkg, mlk and others failed...they lit a light...we stumble...but less...in that there is hope...the insaan will win...i fervently hope and pray...

lve

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i most respectfully submit that it is not jesus who failed. or gandhi or dr. king. we failed. if they gave us a light which is still burning then how could they have failed?

ye bhi sochnay ki baat hai o wise one.

ana

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..... as i pointed out on javed`s board, there is no comparison between china and the muslim world ...... china has accepted the principles of modernity and at the individual level there is no conflict between the chinese and the west - heck most of the chinese businessmen i have met recently hava an ``american`` name in parenthesis on their business cards (no, they are not from hk - the hk guys have western names, period )........... the muslims, on the other hand, are hell bent on a clash of civilizations (if you can call seventh century bedouin culture a civilizaiton !) ...........and by islam`s definition there arn`t too many moderate muslims .......... to be honest, there are no civilians in this conflict - neither the folks who perished in ny on 9/11, nor the victims of suicide bombers in baghdad ............ i know it sounds horrible - but in order to fix the problem, we have to recognize it first ............almost forty million people died in ww-ii, this war has been a cake walk by comparison ............

re#23:
jesus or in the name of jesus.. world has seen one of the most successful scam enterprise that has costed millions of innocent lives and suppressed hundreds of indigenous histories... invoking jesus` name is fine and dandy among the like-minded but excuse me for this...

and same goes for Mohammad. if you threaten people with eternal condemnation you will bring the Worst out of them. this is what christianity and islam`s essence. every thing goes out of the window if you are faced with such a stupid-sounding yet scary Threat.

jang #19

are you missing the point of what amrita is referring to? you know of the countless people who are still affected by the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki fifty years ago. the survivors who suffer from the exposure to radiation, and have died as a result of that? or have had severe health problems. and still do.

yes the people of hiroshima do not live under an antiquated system anymore and so they are ``free``, but i suspect that was not what amrita was referring to. you put ``those who survived unmaimed`` in brackets. . . but many of the survivors are still ``maimed`` by what happened on that day. has their being showered by a nuclear cloud changed their life for the better, and how free are they from the effects of that day?

raw dust:

thank you. your non-belief is duly noted and since you asked to be excused, i excuse you.

ana

and what about acknowledging the lives of Those innocents killed during the holy inquisition and during islamic expansion?
arent they supposed to be noticed first before my non-belief?

ana the price paid by the japanese people and nation is obvious and horrible. i was merely making a point that the nuclear option has produced results in the past, morality is debatable, but that a change was forced is not. based on that example, weapons remains an option to force change, morality aside, due to proven efficacy.

Re # 29

And what about the lives that were just wasted because they happen to be born in
wrong caste? They were not killed but for thousands of years they just rotted without even
a chance to alter their lives for bettter because they happened to be born in the wrong caste. What a waste of human lives and their potential!
I find that equally heinous as destroying a civilization just because they do not believe only in your set of belief. So Christianity and Islam are not the only to be blamed here.

#31: i agree with you 100%.