Compounded Waste

Ref American Rita #42

[Harimou - the real difference between you and the jehadis you profess to despise is that they have the connections and sufficient daring to carry out their fantasies. You, on the other hand, are only capable of talking and talking and talking and talking and.... And you arent even very good at that or else you would have accomplished enough at your age to stop frothing at the mouth every time someone has an opinion differing from yours.]

Actually, I do support my opinions the only legally correct way: contribute to political parties/candidates that mostly agree with my viewpoints. Also, my taxes have paid for the F-16s that Pakistan received and will again receive in the future so that I can claim to have supported at least some part of my wishes to nuke Bombay.

You on the other hand are the archetype of the hand-wringing, fund-raising through bake sale, street matching liberal who hasn`t accomplished squat for all her efforts. I wouldn`t be surprised if your favorite candidate during the last Presidential election was Dennis Kucinich. Your personal efforts at bridge-building with our neighbors through a Bangladeshi boyfriend also seem to have come to naught both on the personal front and on the political front as can be seen by the killing of an Indian oficer by Bangladesh.

Frothing at the mouth is the result of congregating with rabid Commie/Liberal/Secularist dogs. All your friends would belong to this category with the exception of the Iraqi ragheads that you would have picked up in the last three years.

[Anyhoo, it appears you never leave your state or read the paper or watch TV because its pretty common knowledge that there is considerably more to Bbay than Dharavi - there are the thousands of commuters who come into the city to work as well as all those hardworking millions who`ve already made Bbay their home, for eg.]

Have you ventured outside Greenwich Village, NYC? Shut up and don`t talk about things you are clueless about, which is almost everything. As far as the hardworking Mumbaikars and the commuters, they are replaceable cogs in the wheel too. If they go up in smoke, that is no skin off my nose.

As I used to tell North Indians, the only trouble with the Indian nuclear tests was that they were carried out underground. Low-altitude tests over Allahabad would have accomplished so much more! Can you think of a single weapon more powerful against illiteracy? I don`t think so!

[Right - now go back to your comfortable rants and dream a little dream where only your irrelevant opinion carries weight.]

Yep, it is because of your street demonstrations that yesterday Bush announced that he is withdrawing from Iraq.

``Compunded waste`` describes you to a T.

Awww… I seem to have touched all kinds of nerves. You see, what you will never understand is that you’ve become irrelevant before you were ever able to establish your relevancy thanks entirely to your own efforts. All you can do is piss into the wind and cackle like a hyena in the vain hope that a little of the spray will make it in the direction you pointed it at.

You are welcome to think what you wish about my life and my contribution to the world or how much of it I have seen – it makes absolutely no difference to me because I know what I have accomplished and there are a lot of people around the world [who matter a great deal more than a little pissant like you] who also know what I have accomplished and in the end, that is what matters the most. I am not looking for validation from you or your kind. So your hopeful imprecations only serve to show you up for the irrelevant rabid dog that you are. And I say this not in a fit of anger or in a hope to put you down, mind you – but as a dispassionate observer of your silly antics. Please don’t ever think I am angry at you – amused yes, occasionally irritated, I frequently ignore you too but I have yet to be angered by you. I keep my anger for those who matter.

I tell you what – I am willing to look into the eyes of any person whose life my views may affect or about whose life I have an opinion, and repeat every one of my views to their face and defend them too. I have the guts and the conviction and it extends far beyond my taxes and posts on a website. How about you? In post 40 you made some noises – about the people of Dharavi, liberals and MV Ramanna.

I put it to you that the only group or person out of those three that you will be willing to repeat your suggestions to, face to face, are the liberals. And that too, only if you’re sure that they don’t belong to the radical left and aren’t your equivalents on the left. The day you can put a face to your inane suggestions and have the guts to repeat face to face your convictions to the people you hope to affect [and this means you go to Dharavi and tell em - severally and individually - how your solution to their problem is a nuclear explosion and to Allahabad and tell em how you`re tired of them being illiterate and what they need is a bomb] – come back and we’ll talk and I`ll help set up the meetings in both cities.

Oh I forgot – you don’t know how to talk…. All you can do is rant and rave and when you’re shown up in that you begin to froth and then you want to kill em all but don’t have the guts for it and do a sudden volte face and offer lines like “the only rational thing…vote for political parties”. Bah!

Am I supposed to get upset when something like you gets in my face? High hopes.

amrita #34

`` Jang - we completely differ on the proven efficiency of nuclear bombs. First of all that was a 50 kilotonne bomb that was dropped on H&N - the average bomb today is 150 kilotonne. H&N were relatively small potatoes compared to say Bombay, the primary target if Pakistan decides to bomb India. The kind of devastation that can come in its wake was actually calculated by an Indian prof from MIT I think, lemme know and I`ll find out the name - its very intersting and all the more shocking when you think its a conservative estimate. So the only efficiency, to me, is in bringing death and perhaps as a deterrent. People are actually rethinking the deterrent angle right now. ``

The yield of the Indian nukes was 45 kT. Pakistani nukes had yields ranging from 6kT to 15 KT. I doubt Pakistan has 150 kT nuke unless China gave them the design.

`` The nuclear option was unnecessary in Japan, as has been admitted by the Allied forces and esp America repeatedly. Yes, it hastened the end but analysts and military historians have always agreed that the war wouldnt have lasted much longer and once the war was over, the Japanese were anyway headed right where they are today. Minus the deformed babies, the new caste of untouchables [the descendants of H&N arent welcome to marry into most `untainted` families irrespective of their visible health], the inceased rates of cancer, shortened life expectancies and rare diseases. The nukes were an experiment and they were a tool to humiliate. They werent a favor of any kind and you`ll never find a Japanese person who`d say so.``

Give America the credit of rebuilding their old adversary into a powerful peaceful country. Japan is the second most powerful state in the world. Please show us something comparable in history.

Ref amrita #50

Don`t you have a Gay/Lesbo parade to march in this weekend?

harimau #52

`` Don`t you have a Gay/Lesbo parade to march in this weekend? ``

what is wrong in marching in a gay/lesbain parade ?

Re: # 51

I`ll give America whatever credit you wish - but you have to admit that the nuke option was unnecessary and America itself admitted so. My point is that the kind of devastation that nukes can unleash today [and personally I dont trust China as far as I can throw it, bhai bhai or no bhai bhai] is much greater than the H&N ones. Japan`s achevements are wonderful but they werent headed in a dramatically different direction without the bomb. And also, India and Pakistan are no Japan and America are they?

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Harimou - post was a perfect example of bubble living and wishful thinking: you`re firing potshots at random and hoping something will stick in my craw. Well, try again... an LGBT parade isnt my weak spot.

harimau meow-meow (no, it is not growl growl):

on second thought, naaah forget it!

ana

Ref amrita #54

Rita darling, don`t you break your little head over things like war and bombs. Just leave that to men to deal with. You should concentrate on boards dealing with The Pill, Abortion Rights, etc., here on Chowk. And if you have any free time left -- that is, after pondering whether your lipstick matches your handbag or not -- write a big article on why men don`t leave the toilet seat down.

To brighten your day, I am going to tell you this little joke. It even has The Bomb in it!

Midwesterner #1: Did you hear that the Russians dropped a neutron bomb on New York City? No damage was done to buildings, tunnels, etc., but the radiation did change New Yorkers into mutants.

Midwesterner #2: How can anyone tell?

Re: # 56,

Wow, I really got to you. tsk tsk tsk.

LOL!!!

Re: # 48

Apply this rule to people of other faiths also.
Read my post again without your dyslexia and you’ll find more faiths listed along with Islam.

Insisting that some circumstances require that they be killed … is hypocrisy.
Really Sattu? OMG, why was your hero Tim McVeigh executed?

And if someone wishes to leave Islam … why is it a problem for you? You’d rather have this person killed for apostasy. Same goes for blasphemy (recall your support for the recorded “pregnant slave” hadith).
No problem here Dry Sattu… IF, you keep your apostate self in check and NOT pose a threat to the society in any manner you’ll be safe. For blasphemy, read my post to teshah at A Journey Through Our Conscience: #299 after you’ve cleared the gunk from your eyes. Ample reasons are provided there to put you back on your prescription of talking to my hand.

Ummah is reaping what it sowed. This would be a good time to reflect. Sahib, temporal is one of the most thoughtful person around. Efforts such as his at waking people’s conscience are probably ummah’s last hope out of the quagmire they are in. Don’t upset the only civilized guy on your side …
Ummah has yet to begin reaping the latest harvest. In the last harvest they enjoyed the superpower status for more or less a millennium. ;-)~~

He may very well be a thoughtful person, although he hasn’t proven so when it comes to Islam. On this particular issue he seems to follow the Pied piper and parrot the predominant anti-Muslim media. The only thing is that he does it better than you. Hence, your admiration for him is understandable and commendable. Ironically though, your endorsement hurts his credibility even more so. ;-)~~

Nevertheless, it`s not him or I or any other human who will get the Ummah out of the current turmoil...Almighty Allah will. Rest assured when He does, apostates will be flocking back to Islam.

[… didn’t mean to put you on the spot, t bhai … magar yaar, haramee-pun ke bhe hud hoti hai …]
Thank you for your gali-gufta… you have no idea what it does for my aakhira. ;-)~~

Ciao kiddo

Re: # 47

temporal,

Considering your lack of vision on this topic, I’m neither worried about nor did I refer to it. The vision refers to the ability (not restricted to eyesight) to “see”, not just “look”, at things, not just tangible objects, at considerable distances in all possible directions. So, it’s your “eye-balls” I was referring to in literal terms.

Anyhow… firstly, Hamid Mir’s question is inherently flawed; and you and your ilk have adopted it for same reason as his – to be accepted by the Western might to avoid DHS, gitmo, etc.

It is flawed because it excludes the Ahadith Qudsi, and the Sahih ahadith (authentic traditions) of the Prophet (saw) for substantiation. Exclusion of these is to maintain belligerent unbelief in the footsteps of Abu Jahal, Abu Lahab, current neocons and Zionists, and their ilk across the globe throughout the last 1400 years.

Such tactics are also a trademark of the hypocrites who twist the Quranic verses to suit their personal short-term agenda.

As I’ve always maintained, Quran cannot be understood in its entirety without those two critical elements. Any attempt to do so leads to innovation (bid’a), which in turn leads to damnation. So study all three elements for yourself instead of copying and pasting others to reinforce your ignorance.

I can provide you with ample evidence to answer your query, and it will be thorough enough to keep your mind spinning out of control for years to come. But judging from your Hamid Mir stance and bullhorn functionality for the Zionist/Neocon propaganda to modify Islam ever since I’ve been here, you’re not open, or aren’t matured enough, to debate the ground realities with an open mind.

However, if you are sincerely looking for evidence, it should not be a problem for to conduct a minor research (since you’ve already alluded to some reasons in this direction) to find your answers, instead of looking at others to provide you with one. Majority of mainstream Muslims are not silent without a reason…most of them are capable of looking at both sides of the picture unlike some self-proclaimed “moderate” myopic Muslims. Speaking of so-called “moderate Muslims”, you or your ilk have yet to define the term in a crystal clear manner.

Once you’ve done the research, and made your own conclusions instead of parroting other’s, then being at same level we’ll talk.

ntsyed

#59:

i had to prod you because you disappeared:)

i hope i do not disappoint you by not getting personal?

your reply in #59 to a simple but relevant query is a non-starter...and you are aware of the reasons...i chose hamid mir intentitonally...he is no poster boy for the lib-left crowd...if anything he is right of center...and much touted and quoted by the abdul-hate brigade here...

rgds

t

Re: # 60

With a day job and family responsibilities, intermittent disappearances are to be expected :-)~~

Not at all :-)~~

The query appears simple, but simplicity isn`t always flawless ;-)~~

Since you started the topic, starting or not is your option.

I`m sorry, but I don`t follow Hamid Mir anywhere, so I can`t comment on his political orientation. I just know he`s one of the two who interviewed AQ leadership. He landed on C-SPAN to say what he did. The other, Taysir Al`ouni of Al Jazeera Network, who brought the US and Coalitions atrocities in Afghanistan to the people worldwide, landed in jail on apparently trumped up charges of complicity in 9/11 plot for . Go figure :-)~~

Regards to you too :-)~~

ntsyed

#61:

you are not alone who has family and responsibilities:)

i was not lamenting who started or did not start the discussion...this is what i wrote...emphasis added.... your reply in #59 to a simple but relevant query is a non-starter...

forgive this little digression...islam is a simple religion, not a complex one...and when push comes to shove all actions can and should be seen through the qur`anic filter...if there is no justification in qur`an for an act that affects all muslims then it is safe to say it is not islamic...

rgds

t

ntsyed,

Tim McVeigh was executed not for his belief … but for his actions. Note the subtle difference. His execution had nothing to do with who he worshipped.

Check with cousin Urstruly. He believes that apostates should be killed ... based upon alleged ahadith, as explaind by the rightly guided ullema of our times. Don’t kid yourself.

If I correctly recall your post on the slave-woman issue … you argued that by blaspheming the Prophet (pbuh), this woman threatened the very essence of Islam. Note that this Prophet (pbuh) stood firmly against evil propaganda, physical and emotional abuse, and invading armies … and compromised neither his dignity, nor the dignity of his enemies. He was most forgiving and patient with everyone. However, he felt threatened by a defenseless slave woman and condoned her brutal killing! I don’t think so … this is too much of a contradiction … the story does not add up ...

However, by your reasoning, uncle sam too is justified in wiping out the madrissah culture … as this culture breeds hatred against the west. Note the inevitable result of such reasoning ... which you employ and which the neocons have employed. And that`s the point of this article ...

Re: # 62

temporal: ``islam is a simple religion, not a complex one...and when push comes to shove all actions can and should be seen through the qur`anic filter...

No arguments there. It`s in your following comment: if there is no justification in qur`an for an act that affects all muslims then it is safe to say it is not islamic... ``

The filter has another couple of layers:
1. ahadith Qudsi - Allah`s revelations to the Prophet (saw) that are not part of the Quran as per Allah`s instruction to the Prophet (saw), but recorded with equal care by the Prophet (saw) and his companions (ra); and

2. authentic ahadith of the Prophet (pbuh) as he never said or did anything to contradict Allah.

Most notable scholars narrate the best of Companions of the Prophet (ra) that the Prophet (pbuh) said and did every single thing by Allah`s command.

While somethings may not be understood immediately by muslims at large becuase there aren`t any crystal clear Quranic verses justifying it, a layman can NOT issue an edict for them as ``unIslamic``.

One must conduct a research before rendering something Islamic or unIslamic because then one is directly narrating Allah, and an error could cost one his/her aakhira. Of course Allah if Oft Forgiving and Most Merciful, but He and His words should not be exploited by anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim. Thus, my repeated requests to you to research the topic according to the authentic ahadith as well. WWW and mainstream media are not the only sources of information on Islam.


Sattar,

Actions, especially premeditated like that of McVeigh, are driven by beliefs. His was an apostasy to the US government. While many Americans do not agree with the latter, they do not behave like McVeigh, thus do not suffer his fate. Same thing with apostasy to Allah. Is that subtle enough?

You didn`t read my post at the link I provided to you in #58, did you? Please do it for your sanity`s sake...you`re going nuts trying to defend the indefensible.

As it appears, just like me you don`t like the neocons/zionist either, but your lack of pre and post Islamic history (not just arabia, but europe as well), Quran, and ahadith make you think that Muslims have provided them a reason to do what they`re doing. Your lack of knowledge on this issue is their most powerful weapon - disinformation to cause infighting amongst the Muslims. While no one could (or does) claim that Muslims are perfect, it simply doesn`t mean Islam is at fault.

I do not agree with Hinduism, Christianity or any other religion, neither do I have an indepth knowledge of these, but have you (or anyone here) ever seen me challenging any of those beliefs?

Why is it so difficult for you to understand?