Poverty creation - Maharashtra ishtyle

http://us.rediff.com/money/2005/may/11hyundai1.htm

If Hyundai keeps pissing like this in India we certainly welcome it :)

Hyundai to invest $700 mn in India

May 11, 2005 17:31 IST


Hyundai Motors India Ltd, a subsidiary of the Korean auto giant, will achieve the critical one million mark in car sales in India by March 2006 and is likely to pump in about $700 million over the next three years to expand production capacity at its plant near Chennai.

shivsena made big bucks erecting hosing for dharaviwallas, but the reality is that no dharaviwallah wants to go live in tenements in salt yards of mulund which are too far away from his/her employmet place. so they sell these to other more newer entrants.

Re: # 46

``shivsena made big bucks erecting hosing for dharaviwallas``

I remember SS promising houses to slum-dwellers during Manohar Joshis time. What I remeber is the idea went bust because of drop in real estate value.

Ref dost-mittar #38

[harimou#25:

I could not see from your post where Ramesh opposed economic reform. If he tried to claim the credit for progress for the previous govt.`s action, this is what a political spokesperson is supposed to do. In any case, even the BJP does not argue that the reform process was started by it.]

I don`t need to read the columns of somebody who has no regard for truth.

I don`t believe that ``Doesn`t it feel good now that I have stopped raping you`` is a good excuse for 50 years of misrule. You, on the other hand, seem to belong to the school of thought that says, ``If rape is inevitable, lie down and enjoy it.``

Ref Netizen #40

[....If rules are followed no slum would be erected. People like Athavale who promise slums (on gov. land) to the immigrants and themselves live in posh bungalows should be hounded and put behind bars.]

Nope. 10,000 slumdwellers should show up three times a day and sh!t and piss inside his compound. Same thing goes for people like Teesta Setalvad, Uma K, Amrita Rajan, Amit, Sonia Gandhi (who stopped the demolition of Bombay slums), Medha Patkar, Jyothi Basu, Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, Prakash Karat, etc. Anybody who so much as says `Boo` to the elimination of illegality should be given a dose of their own (or in this case somebody else`s) crap.

Slums should be demolished but the people who hoodwinked the slum dwellers should be punished big time.

It`s sad that poor people bear the brunt of breaking the law but the rich ones escape unhurt.

#35 by uma_k5

[But the Govt`s responsibility is not towards the tax-paying middle class alone, it is also towards all those who fall below the tax bracket (considering it is mainly because of their votes that the Govt came to power).]

Huh? Even if the Government comes into power mainly because of slum-dwellers` votes, why should it shoulder their responsibilty any more than it does for the tax-paying citizen? Doesn`t this remind us of the good old socialist raj/welfare state? Are you advocating that the Govt. provide them free food and housing, and for good measure, a dole?

[And the `millions of rupees` that a middle class person pays, do not subsidise the lifestyle of the shantyman, but go into the pockets of builders and their patron politicians. A lot of it is in black, remember?]

This wasn`t needed at all. Not every middle class guy has tons of black money, most of them loan money from the banks.

Errata:

`` Most Mumbai slum dwellers are not poor or lacking incentive, all they need is a good policy framework to work in.``

should read:

Most Mumbai slum dwellers are not poor or lacking initiative, all they need is a good policy framework to work in.

#35

The role of goverment is to set up a policy famework for housing development. Repeal regressive laws such as the ``rent act``. Provide incentives such as higher FSI for developers interested in ``low cost housing``. Provide means for slum dwellers to form ``housing societies``, no more PWD constructed shoddy slum rehab colonies. Most Mumbai slum dwellers are not poor or lacking incentive, all they need is a good policy framework to work in.

Slum redevelopment has to be made more attractive with clear laws that will prevent harrasment by rent-seeking goverment officials and gangsters. Yes, developers and builders will make even more money from slum rehab (and that`s a good thing).

Maharastra goverment has a cut-off date (1997?) they are not liable to resettle slum`s established after this date. I can`t see how you have an objection to this policy?

A motto of reform for all ``ex-jholawalla`s`` (myself included): ``less emotion, more pragmatism``.

harimou#25:

I could not see from your post where Ramesh opposed economic reform. If he tried to claim the credit for progress for the previous govt.`s action, this is what a political spokesperson is supposed to do. In any case, even the BJP does not argue that the reform process was started by it.

satyamvada#27:

``should you not factor in. how you are going to monitor
how many buckets everyone gets daily ? - will you have people standing near the
public tap counting number of buckets people will get ?``

Water and electricity boards/companies routinely use a grading system of pricing; it`s no big deal. As for free public taps, with the long lineups, nobody using those taps can carry more than a few buckets a day. At the same time, charging full price would create greater public pressue against waste; more water is wasted, at least in Delhi, because of broken pipes and leaky faucets than by people taking water for personal use from public taps.

It`s amazing how an article on Maharashtra can generate an Indo-Pak war of words!!

Netizen and others, I have no quarrel with the fact that slums are illegal. Even slumdwellers would rather live with more dignity, I`m sure. But the Govt`s responsibility is not towards the tax-paying middle class alone, it is also towards all those who fall below the tax bracket (considering it is mainly because of their votes that the Govt came to power). The argument is not so much against the demolition of slums per se, as against the Govt washing its hands off the people living in them - in fact, asking them to leave Bombay. If the Govt is serious about the Shanghaification of Bombay, then it has to deal with this problem from the bottom up, not top down. No amount of demolition will get rid of the slums - everyone knows this. The only thing that will work is creation of viable low-cost housing - workable plans for which are already in existence. And don`t believe anyone who says that there is no land available - this is a story put out by all those who have a stake in the conversion of Bombay into a Real Estate Developers` Paradise (there are bound to be many Govt fingers in that pie).

Cayenne, I cannot understand your middle class vs. poor approach. No person likes to be poor. Ask anyone who has to live in a shanty, and if he were honest, he would say that he would much prefer to pay `millions of rupees` for an apartment, if only he could afford it. And the `millions of rupees` that a middle class person pays, do not subsidise the lifestyle of the shantyman, but go into the pockets of builders and their patron politicians. A lot of it is in black, remember? Even the shantyman has to pay for his pathetic patch of filth - only he pays the local goonda (who also has his patron politician) and not the Govt. No doubt, he would be most happy to pay the Govt rather than the goonda, if he were assured of a pucca roof over his head, and the dignity that goes with it.

Re: # 35

``It`s amazing how an article on Maharashtra can generate an Indo-Pak war of words!! ``

It comes free with evey post ;)

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``Netizen and others, I have no quarrel with the fact that slums are illegal. Even slumdwellers would rather live with more dignity, I`m sure. But the Govt`s responsibility is not towards the tax-paying middle class alone, it is also towards all those who fall below the tax bracket (considering it is mainly because of their votes that the Govt came to power). The argument is not so much against the demolition of slums per se, as against the Govt washing its hands off the people living in them - in fact, asking them to leave Bombay. ``

I don`t think the GoM is asking them to leave Mumbai, they are just evicting them from the illegal lands that they have squatted on.

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``If the Govt is serious about the Shanghaification of Bombay, then it has to deal with this problem from the bottom up, not top down. No amount of demolition will get rid of the slums - everyone knows this. ``

I agree with you on this. I really don`t care much of Shanghaification but would like the city to remain manageable not an open air bathroom. I wonder why the GoM doesn`t go after the corrupt civic, police officials who are hand in glove with goondas/politicains and are responsible for this mess. If rules are followed no slum would be erected. People like Athavale who promise slums (on gov. land) to the immigrants and themselves live in posh bungalows should be hounded and put behind bars.

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``The only thing that will work is creation of viable low-cost housing - workable plans for which are already in existence. And don`t believe anyone who says that there is no land available - this is a story put out by all those who have a stake in the conversion of Bombay into a Real Estate Developers` Paradise (there are bound to be many Govt fingers in that pie). ``

Can you please elaborate on this. Who is going to provide money to construct these real estate, and once the slumdwellers are put in high rise bldg who is going to foot the maintenance bills? Would it guarantee no more immigration of poor/landless people to mumbai and no more erection of new slums (in the hope that they will also be rewarded at a later time with regularisation and/or low-cost housing).

Re: # 35

The regime of govt. handouts should and must end.Period.A regime of incentives and deferments should follow this to help those who were used to handouts adjust.We in India always underestimate ourselves, rich or poor.This is the only way out.Privatization is here to stay and let us all get used to it.If we are successful, then only those who genuinely cannot provide for themselves will be left and the rest of us can provide the basics for them through a safety net program such as Social Security in the US.All NGO`s , misplaced activists and socialists can move enmasse to calcutta or even better BANGLADESH.There will be plenty of work for them for years to come.Please let the rest of india prosper and let all classes have an equal opportunity to succeed.Let the markets rule.For more than fifty years the govt. ruled.Look where it got us.Let us give the private sector a chance.Till then let us work hard at success.

Unchecked migration to Mumbai must end.I admire the people of Chennai, who through their language restrictions have checked the population growth and migration, or kept it within limits.There is equitable power distribution and rarely any power cuts in chennai metro.The world`s largest nuclear power reactor is nearing completion in TN.I was there a couple of weeks back for three days and not a single power cut anywhere in the city.Saves us mahrashtrians right for accepting hindi as our national language.Our interests should lie with the people of the konkan and deccan regions.We are one of them.

#29

``Hyundai was smart.They wouldn`t piss in pak``

They are pissing allover India now!

The 55 year old potty mouthed juvenile fool Hacked Penis says , : ``Pakistani automobile customers are whole lot savvier than Indians.``...

You bet !!

Pakistan`s first and only indigenously built car , the swashbucking Sitara is guaranteed to deliver maximum satisfaction to the savvy Pakistani automobile enthusiast >>


WoW!!!

Re: # 32

Yeah, and look at all the ``fair tall and handsome pakistani people`` sitting in the savvy pakistani car.Hee haw.