Uma K May 9, 2005
#97 Posted by cayenne on May 13, 2005 11:49:28 am
#96 by haideri on May 13, 2005 11:26am PT
Re: # 95
India`s 944 580 000 inhabitants live in an area of 3 287 590 km²
In 1951, 164 million Indians were living in poverty
compared to 312 million in 1993-94.
.....The first statement is correct.The second statement is old news.The US has proportionately as many AIDS cases.You would run to live there wouldn`t you, if you aren`t already there.The poverty ratio is 26% right now.Give us another decade, we`ll bring it down even further.Also, child prostitution and other evils exist in all countries, including yours.How about polygamists and others in the US too?.P**S OFF.Disgruntled , jealous puki.Now you`re resorting ot digging up stale dirt on India.
#98 Posted by haideri on May 13, 2005 12:01:38 pm
Re: # 97
I was trying to draw your attention to the ``civilized`` practice of Devdasi. nothing else. I am very happy in Pakistan.FYI, I have lived/studied both in US and Sweden.
I was trying to draw your attention to the ``civilized`` practice of Devdasi. nothing else. I am very happy in Pakistan.FYI, I have lived/studied both in US and Sweden.
#99 Posted by Netizen on May 13, 2005 12:13:17 pm
Re: # 96
``According to some research, child prostitution is socially acceptable in some sections of Indian society through the practice of Devdasi. Young girls are given to the `gods` and they become a religious prostitute. ``
Thanks Haideri for pointing out the decadence in indian society. We have a lot of work to do. Its poverty which is a significant factor which has to be confronted. But its easy said then done.
`` was trying to draw your attention to the ``civilized`` practice of Devdasi. ``
There cannot be any justification for this kind of system. There are laws against it. But in a county like india laws can be broken with bribe/influence/muscle power. I hope you also do not condone Mohammad marriage to little girl, Ayesha with some nonsensical excuse. We need to be rational.
Also, you can point to the AIDS problem that is growing in India.
``According to some research, child prostitution is socially acceptable in some sections of Indian society through the practice of Devdasi. Young girls are given to the `gods` and they become a religious prostitute. ``
Thanks Haideri for pointing out the decadence in indian society. We have a lot of work to do. Its poverty which is a significant factor which has to be confronted. But its easy said then done.
`` was trying to draw your attention to the ``civilized`` practice of Devdasi. ``
There cannot be any justification for this kind of system. There are laws against it. But in a county like india laws can be broken with bribe/influence/muscle power. I hope you also do not condone Mohammad marriage to little girl, Ayesha with some nonsensical excuse. We need to be rational.
Also, you can point to the AIDS problem that is growing in India.
#100 Posted by vivek on May 13, 2005 12:14:08 pm
haideri,
Just like you are happy with Pakistan, we are happy with India.
By the way, the practise of devadasi though bad is many times better than honour killing.
Just like you are happy with Pakistan, we are happy with India.
By the way, the practise of devadasi though bad is many times better than honour killing.
#101 Posted by cayenne on May 13, 2005 12:23:14 pm
Re: # 98
Let`s do a comparison, shall we?
PAKISTAN
Area
total: 803,940 sq km
land: 778,720 sq km
water: 25,220 sq km
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html
INDIA
Area:
total: 3,287,590 sq km
land: 2,973,190 sq km
water: 314,400 sq km
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html
Pakland is 1/4th the size of my country, and this &*^% has the.....!@#$%
Let`s do a comparison, shall we?
PAKISTAN
Area
total: 803,940 sq km
land: 778,720 sq km
water: 25,220 sq km
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html
INDIA
Area:
total: 3,287,590 sq km
land: 2,973,190 sq km
water: 314,400 sq km
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html
Pakland is 1/4th the size of my country, and this &*^% has the.....!@#$%
#102 Posted by haideri on May 13, 2005 12:24:40 pm
Re: # 99
Netizen,
What you just said in few lines makes much more sense than what ``cayenne`` has been spewing for last few hours. I am not a ``Mullah`` Muslim and what Mohammad did was absolutely wrong. This practice is still alive in some parts of rural India and Pakistan.
Netizen,
What you just said in few lines makes much more sense than what ``cayenne`` has been spewing for last few hours. I am not a ``Mullah`` Muslim and what Mohammad did was absolutely wrong. This practice is still alive in some parts of rural India and Pakistan.
#103 Posted by cayenne on May 13, 2005 12:31:38 pm
Re: # 102
Oh!!.Now you`re trying to backtrack and pretend to be nice.Typical pak manouvering.Nice try.You and your puny little country can take a hike.You cannot deny that little boys are molested and sold for sex on the streets of Lahore and Karachi.Ask me and i`ll back it up by pasting a link.I don`t like to wash your dirty in linen in public, unlike your classless self. Isn`t it time you went to bed, `little` one, from the little country on our western flanks.Good night.
Oh!!.Now you`re trying to backtrack and pretend to be nice.Typical pak manouvering.Nice try.You and your puny little country can take a hike.You cannot deny that little boys are molested and sold for sex on the streets of Lahore and Karachi.Ask me and i`ll back it up by pasting a link.I don`t like to wash your dirty in linen in public, unlike your classless self. Isn`t it time you went to bed, `little` one, from the little country on our western flanks.Good night.
#104 Posted by haideri on May 13, 2005 12:50:43 pm
Re: # 101
cayenne,
I never said India was a banana republic. India is an ancient society with a rich history. I am just trying to send a message that ``Don`t try to misinform people``. I have worked in India during late nineties for an NGO. I know ground realities much better than you are trying to portray. I can`t give you references from my own studies because that would be very unprofessional and against my contract. FYI, I am a US citizen
cayenne,
I never said India was a banana republic. India is an ancient society with a rich history. I am just trying to send a message that ``Don`t try to misinform people``. I have worked in India during late nineties for an NGO. I know ground realities much better than you are trying to portray. I can`t give you references from my own studies because that would be very unprofessional and against my contract. FYI, I am a US citizen
#105 Posted by jang on May 13, 2005 12:59:59 pm
#104.. mr Haideri, considering you are familiar with the trade, you would know the answer. my impression was that the devdasi system contributes very small or negligible % of workers at this point due to various reasons like large influx of workers from nepal and bangla desh and other parts of india, decline in devdasi patronage from traditional landlords and temples in the source villages, which have caused breakdown and migration of devdasi families.
i understand that even lata mangeshkar has devdasi roots?
i understand that even lata mangeshkar has devdasi roots?
#106 Posted by haideri on May 13, 2005 1:11:45 pm
Re: # 105
Jang,
I don`t know the intricate details. This is something which I came to know duing my sojourn in India.
Jang,
I don`t know the intricate details. This is something which I came to know duing my sojourn in India.
#107 Posted by MaheshG2 on May 13, 2005 3:25:36 pm
Mr. Haideri seems to have gone nuts.
He thinks India is rich and civilized because it has the practice of Devdasi in its society.
No sir. India is rich and civilized inspite of it. Such practices are heinous.
Pakistan needs to be civilized pronto. God knows what kind of society Pakistan is that it looks up to the Devdasi system.
#108 Posted by haideri on May 13, 2005 3:35:03 pm
Re: # 107
MaheshG2,
I don`t need any sanity certification from you. I am sure people on this site understand sarcasm. Also, India is neither ``rich`` nor ``civilized`` with current standards.
MaheshG2,
I don`t need any sanity certification from you. I am sure people on this site understand sarcasm. Also, India is neither ``rich`` nor ``civilized`` with current standards.
#110 Posted by harimau on May 13, 2005 7:33:18 pm
Ref jang #88
[those expressway pics are amazing.. no hyundai-santros (or any other cars, except for the lonely TRAX milk-wagon) that indian roads are claimed to be full of. whats wrong with this picture?]
Bus and truck owners don`t want to pay the toll so you rarely see a bus or a truck on the Bombay-Pune Expressway. Most car owners have the perverted idea that spending anywhere from 5 - 9 hours on the old rutted roads is cheaper than paying the toll and getting to Pune in less than 3 hours. So the roads are clear for those willing to pay a few bucks of toll and you can zip along at 80+ mph. I guess the Santros are so fast that their image doesn`t register on the film!
Well, maybe I should have taken my camera along this morning to show you a picture of a Ferrari (license plate number TN07AK55) on the East Coast Road from Chennai to Pondicherry. On weekends, you see the Ferrari racing a Porsche and a Jaguar.
A Jaguar!! Does that mean the Headshrinker is in India now?
[those expressway pics are amazing.. no hyundai-santros (or any other cars, except for the lonely TRAX milk-wagon) that indian roads are claimed to be full of. whats wrong with this picture?]
Bus and truck owners don`t want to pay the toll so you rarely see a bus or a truck on the Bombay-Pune Expressway. Most car owners have the perverted idea that spending anywhere from 5 - 9 hours on the old rutted roads is cheaper than paying the toll and getting to Pune in less than 3 hours. So the roads are clear for those willing to pay a few bucks of toll and you can zip along at 80+ mph. I guess the Santros are so fast that their image doesn`t register on the film!
Well, maybe I should have taken my camera along this morning to show you a picture of a Ferrari (license plate number TN07AK55) on the East Coast Road from Chennai to Pondicherry. On weekends, you see the Ferrari racing a Porsche and a Jaguar.
A Jaguar!! Does that mean the Headshrinker is in India now?
#111 Posted by harimau on May 13, 2005 8:13:03 pm
Ref haideri #89
[Avenger, you can dream on. It is not a fenced highway and your Gao matas can cross it left and right. Pay attention to the pics I posted the highway is fenced.]
No need to fence along most of Bombay-Pune highway. It goes through desolate hilly land with not a human settlement in sight between Panvel and the outskirts of Pune except for the town of Lonavla. I have been on the road several times and never saw any animal, not even a leopard from the hills!
Just FYI.
[Avenger, you can dream on. It is not a fenced highway and your Gao matas can cross it left and right. Pay attention to the pics I posted the highway is fenced.]
No need to fence along most of Bombay-Pune highway. It goes through desolate hilly land with not a human settlement in sight between Panvel and the outskirts of Pune except for the town of Lonavla. I have been on the road several times and never saw any animal, not even a leopard from the hills!
Just FYI.
#112 Posted by bongdongs on May 14, 2005 7:19:46 am
#110
``Bus and truck owners don`t want to pay the toll so you rarely see a bus or a truck on the Bombay-Pune Expressway``
Admittedly it has taken a few years to take off, but when I was there last winter the tollway was used very heavily. It seems that the railways are planning to reduce services as people now prefer take buses on the Bombay Pune route, all of which now use the tollway. Can you imagine that, the Deccan Queen goes half-empty!
With improving roads and cheaper airline tickets the railways are going to increasingly lose their near-monopoly on long distance trave
``Bus and truck owners don`t want to pay the toll so you rarely see a bus or a truck on the Bombay-Pune Expressway``
Admittedly it has taken a few years to take off, but when I was there last winter the tollway was used very heavily. It seems that the railways are planning to reduce services as people now prefer take buses on the Bombay Pune route, all of which now use the tollway. Can you imagine that, the Deccan Queen goes half-empty!
With improving roads and cheaper airline tickets the railways are going to increasingly lose their near-monopoly on long distance trave
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