Poverty creation - Maharashtra ishtyle
Uma K May 9, 2005
#16 Posted by harimau on May 9, 2005 8:19:45 pm
Ref BeeJay #15
[#13 Harimau, will you exempt Tamil-speaking Brahmins from getting shot even if they are liberal? (Follow-on question - do you have any ``liberals`` in your own immediate family? (Remember, opposites generally attract.)) ]
ALL English-speaking TamBrahms are Liberals/CryptoCommunists when they are not Communists outright, because they are raised on a steady diet of propaganda by ``The Anti-Hindu`` and its editor N. Ram.
I will give you a prominent example: Jairam Ramesh, who is an adviser to Sonia G@ndu.
Yes, they should be shot, except that then the collective IQ of the nation will go into negative numbers.
About opposites attracting each other, that applies only when you go into the so-called ``love`` marriages. So, the answer is schools segregated by gender all the way up to college (including college, if I have any control!) And no, my wife would not qualify as being eligible to be shot on the basis of her liberal leanings, because watching black women drop off their children on Friday evenings at the emergency room of the hospital on some pretext or other and picking them up on Monday mornings so that they didn`t have to pay for a babysitter while they partied over the weekend deprogrammed her of any socialist propaganda she was bombarded with while in India.
I have a nephew who grew up in India who, despite being practically a Communist in India and socialising with autorickshaw drivers, railway pantry car waiters and proletariat of a similar kind, is now a member of the NRA, attended the Bush inaugural and has joined the US Army Reserve! So, there is hope for these folks. All they need is the right kind of deprogramming. (Well, in this case, I think he went overboard in the opposie direction!)
[#13 Harimau, will you exempt Tamil-speaking Brahmins from getting shot even if they are liberal? (Follow-on question - do you have any ``liberals`` in your own immediate family? (Remember, opposites generally attract.)) ]
ALL English-speaking TamBrahms are Liberals/CryptoCommunists when they are not Communists outright, because they are raised on a steady diet of propaganda by ``The Anti-Hindu`` and its editor N. Ram.
I will give you a prominent example: Jairam Ramesh, who is an adviser to Sonia G@ndu.
Yes, they should be shot, except that then the collective IQ of the nation will go into negative numbers.
About opposites attracting each other, that applies only when you go into the so-called ``love`` marriages. So, the answer is schools segregated by gender all the way up to college (including college, if I have any control!) And no, my wife would not qualify as being eligible to be shot on the basis of her liberal leanings, because watching black women drop off their children on Friday evenings at the emergency room of the hospital on some pretext or other and picking them up on Monday mornings so that they didn`t have to pay for a babysitter while they partied over the weekend deprogrammed her of any socialist propaganda she was bombarded with while in India.
I have a nephew who grew up in India who, despite being practically a Communist in India and socialising with autorickshaw drivers, railway pantry car waiters and proletariat of a similar kind, is now a member of the NRA, attended the Bush inaugural and has joined the US Army Reserve! So, there is hope for these folks. All they need is the right kind of deprogramming. (Well, in this case, I think he went overboard in the opposie direction!)
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#17 Posted by harimau on May 9, 2005 8:23:27 pm
Would the author support internal passports a la China so that if someone wants to come live in Bombay, he needs to have a permit? Which is how they control emigration from rural China into Beijing or other cities?
No, that would be an intrusion into the personal liberties of the citizens. However, in their eyes, it is NOT an curtailment of personal liberties in China.
Screw these people!
No, that would be an intrusion into the personal liberties of the citizens. However, in their eyes, it is NOT an curtailment of personal liberties in China.
Screw these people!
#19 Posted by HP on May 9, 2005 9:29:33 pm
#13 by harimau
“why step out of the Mumbai airport? Just llok at the airport itself.”
Don’t be distraught Harimau! India is a poor country. Things will change….May be in the next millennium!! he he he…
Netizen
Calm down my friend.
“why step out of the Mumbai airport? Just llok at the airport itself.”
Don’t be distraught Harimau! India is a poor country. Things will change….May be in the next millennium!! he he he…
Netizen
Calm down my friend.
#20 Posted by harimau on May 9, 2005 11:00:17 pm
Ref HP #19
[#13 by harimau
“why step out of the Mumbai airport? Just llok at the airport itself.”
Don’t be distraught Harimau!]
I am not distraught. I am outraged. This is what happens when people unqualified to run a railway station have delusions that they can run modern airports.
Kill the Commies!
[#13 by harimau
“why step out of the Mumbai airport? Just llok at the airport itself.”
Don’t be distraught Harimau!]
I am not distraught. I am outraged. This is what happens when people unqualified to run a railway station have delusions that they can run modern airports.
Kill the Commies!
#21 Posted by rahulmal on May 9, 2005 11:52:14 pm
In India, the name of the game is tokenism. Nothing has to be done, just raise a few empty slogans, beam for the cameras, engineer a few articles by sympathetic word prostitutes and arrange for positive coverage in the media...the job is done. Even after six decades of self-rule, governments in India are clueless about governance. So, we have Laloos oiling their lathis, Mayawatis building elephant parks, Uma Bhartis performing Yajnas and VilasRaos `beautifying` cities. Nobody ever accused them of sagacity, they`ve steered clear of any such controversial labels.
It is not that people erect their tents illegally because they want to occupy prime real estate, they have no other go. I suspect this legality logic is a charade for hiding underhand deals. Honble CM and his deputy must have got a few khokhas from real estate people. We won`t have to wait long, the lands freed of illegal presence will be sold to bhoomi dons at concessional rate and they`ll erect concrete jungles to house the affluent. Then another tent, another eviction and the game will go on.
It is not that people erect their tents illegally because they want to occupy prime real estate, they have no other go. I suspect this legality logic is a charade for hiding underhand deals. Honble CM and his deputy must have got a few khokhas from real estate people. We won`t have to wait long, the lands freed of illegal presence will be sold to bhoomi dons at concessional rate and they`ll erect concrete jungles to house the affluent. Then another tent, another eviction and the game will go on.
#22 Posted by cayenne on May 10, 2005 12:31:31 am
This is a little much though.Why do we put up with wasteful spending by our satraps?.
Minister`s car worth 145 houses
Source: IANS.
Ranchi, May 10: Ministers in Jharkhand are zipping around in brand new vehicles costing a whopping Rs.64 million to the state exchequer.
After the Arjun Munda-led government came to power in March, the government decided to order bullet proof vehicles, each costing Rs.3.2 million, for all ministers citing security concerns.
Initially the government decided on Mitsubishi Lancers but after a public outcry, they settled for Tata Safaris, which were delivered to the ministers May 8. The vehicles were purchased from the police modernisation and building and construction fund.
According to an official in the building and construction department, the cost of each car was equivalent to constructing 145 houses under the Indira Awas Yojna scheme.
One minister said there was nothing wrong with the new vehicles.
``We are concerned about development of the state but it does not mean that we should move on bullock carts. Development will take time and everything cannot be changed overnight,`` a minister told IANS on the condition of anonymity.
The ministers also moved into homes of their choice and are busy renovating them.
Jharkhand was carved out of southern Bihar in 2000 after accusations that the government of undivided Bihar was neglecting development of the region.
Close to 55 percent of the state`s population lives below the poverty line as against the national average of 26 percent. The literacy rate is 54.13 percent as against the national average of 65.38 percent.
The state has only eight percent of irrigated land as against the national average of 40 percent.
http://cv.tatamotors.com/index.php
Minister`s car worth 145 houses
Source: IANS.
Ranchi, May 10: Ministers in Jharkhand are zipping around in brand new vehicles costing a whopping Rs.64 million to the state exchequer.
After the Arjun Munda-led government came to power in March, the government decided to order bullet proof vehicles, each costing Rs.3.2 million, for all ministers citing security concerns.
Initially the government decided on Mitsubishi Lancers but after a public outcry, they settled for Tata Safaris, which were delivered to the ministers May 8. The vehicles were purchased from the police modernisation and building and construction fund.
According to an official in the building and construction department, the cost of each car was equivalent to constructing 145 houses under the Indira Awas Yojna scheme.
One minister said there was nothing wrong with the new vehicles.
``We are concerned about development of the state but it does not mean that we should move on bullock carts. Development will take time and everything cannot be changed overnight,`` a minister told IANS on the condition of anonymity.
The ministers also moved into homes of their choice and are busy renovating them.
Jharkhand was carved out of southern Bihar in 2000 after accusations that the government of undivided Bihar was neglecting development of the region.
Close to 55 percent of the state`s population lives below the poverty line as against the national average of 26 percent. The literacy rate is 54.13 percent as against the national average of 65.38 percent.
The state has only eight percent of irrigated land as against the national average of 40 percent.
http://cv.tatamotors.com/index.php
#23 Posted by PHOENIX on May 10, 2005 2:30:34 am
YOUR ARTICLE JUST SHOWS THE OUTCOME OF THE TROUBLE BREWING IN MAHARASHTRA. THE STATE GOVERNMENT HAD THIS COMING. THE DEMOCRATIC FRONT HAS QUITE A FEW (AN UNDERSTATEMENT) CORRUPTION CHARGES. ALL THE MONEY EARNED BY THE GOVERNMENT DISSAPEARS IN THE HANDS OF THE POLITICIANS. THE STATE IS REELING UNDER A DEBT OF SOME 11 BILLION RUPEES, THAT TOO IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
THE MIGRANTS TO MUMBAI, FROM OTHER STATES, HAVE PUT A HUGE LOAD ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BASIC AMENETIES, TRANSPORT AND THE ABSORBING CAPACITY OF THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. THIS ISLAND CITY HAS REACHED ITS LIMIT. IT CANNOT HOLD ANY MORE PEOPLE ANYMORE. MUMBAI ALREADY HOUSES ASIA`S LARGEST SLUM, THE DHARAVI.
I BELEIVE THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS FINALLY HEEDING TO THE PROBLEMS THAT THE CONGRESS GOVERNMENT HAD IGNORED AND DISTANCED ITSELF FROM, IN THE LAST FIFTY YEARS. THOUGH THE WAY IT IS GOING ABOUT THE SITUATION NEEDS SOME EFFECTIVE PLANNING.
THE MIGRANTS TO MUMBAI, FROM OTHER STATES, HAVE PUT A HUGE LOAD ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BASIC AMENETIES, TRANSPORT AND THE ABSORBING CAPACITY OF THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. THIS ISLAND CITY HAS REACHED ITS LIMIT. IT CANNOT HOLD ANY MORE PEOPLE ANYMORE. MUMBAI ALREADY HOUSES ASIA`S LARGEST SLUM, THE DHARAVI.
I BELEIVE THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS FINALLY HEEDING TO THE PROBLEMS THAT THE CONGRESS GOVERNMENT HAD IGNORED AND DISTANCED ITSELF FROM, IN THE LAST FIFTY YEARS. THOUGH THE WAY IT IS GOING ABOUT THE SITUATION NEEDS SOME EFFECTIVE PLANNING.
#24 Posted by dost_mittar on May 10, 2005 6:26:03 am
Uma:
It is good that people like you were not there to advise the Chinese, or else you would have turned Shanghai into a Bombay. You and other people thinking like you are all very good intentioned, but I am sure that the road to Hell via Dharavi is built with good intentions. Let us look at the source of your anguish:
``1) Massive hikes in water charges. The new rates will reflect ‘full recovery of cost of irrigation management, administration, operation and maintenance,’ and ‘partial recovery of capital investment.’ ``
Absolutely, a must! It is high time that people, not only Indians, stop wasting water, considering it to be a free and unlimited resource. Water should be charged on a full cost-recovery basis; however pricing should be set so that the first few daily buckets of water are practically free for everyone.
``2) In some regions, farmers will be forced to adopt expensive drip or sprinkler irrigation methods.``
A highly desirable thing to do. But government should ensure that farmers have access to loans to invest in the newer technology.
``3) Farmers with more than two children will have to pay one and half times the new rates.``
Another progressive step, as long as it has a `grandfather` clause, exempting those with already more than two children.
``4) Of the three full-time members of the Regulatory Authority, not even one is required to be a farmer.``
Wrong move. I would suggest that a majority should be active farmers.
``5) Breaking these laws will invite six months imprisonment and a fine of ten times the annual water charges``
A law without consequences for breaking it is not worth the paper it is written on.
harimou:
Jairam Ramesh is not a communist but one of the consistent supporters of reform. You should read the column he used to write for India Today. He supported most of the NDA govt.`s economic policies even when he was in the opposition.
It is good that people like you were not there to advise the Chinese, or else you would have turned Shanghai into a Bombay. You and other people thinking like you are all very good intentioned, but I am sure that the road to Hell via Dharavi is built with good intentions. Let us look at the source of your anguish:
``1) Massive hikes in water charges. The new rates will reflect ‘full recovery of cost of irrigation management, administration, operation and maintenance,’ and ‘partial recovery of capital investment.’ ``
Absolutely, a must! It is high time that people, not only Indians, stop wasting water, considering it to be a free and unlimited resource. Water should be charged on a full cost-recovery basis; however pricing should be set so that the first few daily buckets of water are practically free for everyone.
``2) In some regions, farmers will be forced to adopt expensive drip or sprinkler irrigation methods.``
A highly desirable thing to do. But government should ensure that farmers have access to loans to invest in the newer technology.
``3) Farmers with more than two children will have to pay one and half times the new rates.``
Another progressive step, as long as it has a `grandfather` clause, exempting those with already more than two children.
``4) Of the three full-time members of the Regulatory Authority, not even one is required to be a farmer.``
Wrong move. I would suggest that a majority should be active farmers.
``5) Breaking these laws will invite six months imprisonment and a fine of ten times the annual water charges``
A law without consequences for breaking it is not worth the paper it is written on.
harimou:
Jairam Ramesh is not a communist but one of the consistent supporters of reform. You should read the column he used to write for India Today. He supported most of the NDA govt.`s economic policies even when he was in the opposition.
#25 Posted by harimau on May 10, 2005 9:58:56 am
Ref dost-mittar #24
[harimou:
Jairam Ramesh is not a communist but one of the consistent supporters of reform. You should read the column he used to write for India Today. He supported most of the NDA govt.`s economic policies even when he was in the opposition.]
Jairam Ramesh is indeed a socialist/Crypto-Communist in the Jawaharlal Nehru mode. He made the claim that the Congress Party was responsible for the Golden Quadrilateral and for the North-South and East-West Corridor 4-lane highway projects because -- get this -- the bill authorizing the establishment of the National Highway Authority of India was passed when the Congress was in power. He conveniently forgot the fact that for years, the NHAI merely hired bureaucrats (probably fulfilling the mandate to hire SC/ST/BC/MBC/OBC candidates) and then sat with its collective thumbs up its collective @rse. He also made the claim that the telecom revolution under the BJP rule was merely due to advances in technology -- as if, under 50+ years of Congress misrule, they had exploited the then existing technology and provided 100 million landline connections! He made an appearance on ``The Big Fight`` a couple of years ago and claimed that the failure of India to advance farther was merely because of the failure of India to consume 35 million tons of steel annually during the 1980s -- when the Congress had been in power except for 18 months. He conveniently forgot that steel at that time was not allowed new private investment/ownership, Tata Steel (TISCO) was being strangled by Nehruvian controls, the 35 million ton target was set in a five-year plan and its failure is indeed a failure of the plan, not to mention that the government did not have the money to build an additional 25+ million ton capacity to reach that 35 million ton goal, that there isn`t enough water to wash the bloody coal, there weren`t enough railway wagons nor track capacity to move the iron ore, coal/coke and limestone needed to make steel, etc., etc., etc.
Do not make the mistake of confusing being articulate with being intelligent. Jairam Ramesh is articulate. He appeals to the TamBrahms as he is one of them. I am surprised he appeals to you sufficiently for you to agree with him.
[harimou:
Jairam Ramesh is not a communist but one of the consistent supporters of reform. You should read the column he used to write for India Today. He supported most of the NDA govt.`s economic policies even when he was in the opposition.]
Jairam Ramesh is indeed a socialist/Crypto-Communist in the Jawaharlal Nehru mode. He made the claim that the Congress Party was responsible for the Golden Quadrilateral and for the North-South and East-West Corridor 4-lane highway projects because -- get this -- the bill authorizing the establishment of the National Highway Authority of India was passed when the Congress was in power. He conveniently forgot the fact that for years, the NHAI merely hired bureaucrats (probably fulfilling the mandate to hire SC/ST/BC/MBC/OBC candidates) and then sat with its collective thumbs up its collective @rse. He also made the claim that the telecom revolution under the BJP rule was merely due to advances in technology -- as if, under 50+ years of Congress misrule, they had exploited the then existing technology and provided 100 million landline connections! He made an appearance on ``The Big Fight`` a couple of years ago and claimed that the failure of India to advance farther was merely because of the failure of India to consume 35 million tons of steel annually during the 1980s -- when the Congress had been in power except for 18 months. He conveniently forgot that steel at that time was not allowed new private investment/ownership, Tata Steel (TISCO) was being strangled by Nehruvian controls, the 35 million ton target was set in a five-year plan and its failure is indeed a failure of the plan, not to mention that the government did not have the money to build an additional 25+ million ton capacity to reach that 35 million ton goal, that there isn`t enough water to wash the bloody coal, there weren`t enough railway wagons nor track capacity to move the iron ore, coal/coke and limestone needed to make steel, etc., etc., etc.
Do not make the mistake of confusing being articulate with being intelligent. Jairam Ramesh is articulate. He appeals to the TamBrahms as he is one of them. I am surprised he appeals to you sufficiently for you to agree with him.
#29 Posted by cayenne on May 10, 2005 12:20:45 pm
Re: # 26
we should outsource some things to pakistan, like highways, cricket and airports. they are good at it.
...Uh huh.NO.They are not good at it.These highways were built by Daewoo and under korean supervision.Remember what happened to Daewoo?.They went bankrupt as a result.And daewoo thought they`ll recoup their investment in pak`s roads by selling cars!.Those were the days!.Let`s take a look at them highways in another five years.We(TATA) own Daewoo trucks as a result.Hyundai was smart.They wouldn`t piss in pak.They`re selling about 250,000 plus cars a year in india alone now.Smart.
we should outsource some things to pakistan, like highways, cricket and airports. they are good at it.
...Uh huh.NO.They are not good at it.These highways were built by Daewoo and under korean supervision.Remember what happened to Daewoo?.They went bankrupt as a result.And daewoo thought they`ll recoup their investment in pak`s roads by selling cars!.Those were the days!.Let`s take a look at them highways in another five years.We(TATA) own Daewoo trucks as a result.Hyundai was smart.They wouldn`t piss in pak.They`re selling about 250,000 plus cars a year in india alone now.Smart.
#26 Posted by jang on May 10, 2005 11:02:17 am
``This is what happens when people unqualified to run a railway station have delusions that they can run modern airports. ``
we should outsource some things to pakistan, like highways, cricket and airports. they are good at it.
we should outsource some things to pakistan, like highways, cricket and airports. they are good at it.
#27 Posted by satyamvada on May 10, 2005 11:22:17 am
Dost-mitter,
There is still hope for you - but that commie and dhimmi mentality due to nehruvian
training shows up now and then.
``however pricing should be set so that the first few daily buckets of water are
practically free for everyone``
You claim to be a economist - should you not factor in. how you are going to monitor
how many buckets everyone gets daily ? - will you have people standing near the
public tap counting number of buckets people will get ?
There is enough water in India - the problem is in storage and distribution
because of govt interference in pricing. Let there be competition and water
will be priced and distributed fairly and water will be available to all people.
If we can get 5 litre of clean water to every family for a rupee the number of
water borne diseases and illness can be reduced tremendously and infant
mortality will come down rapidly.
Also why does the Govt have to interfere in number of children ?
Regards,
#28 Posted by Netizen on May 10, 2005 11:48:31 am
Uma,
Where are you? what is your take so far?
Aaj ks taaja kabar....
State govt stops free power to farmers
By: Agencies
May 10, 2005
In view of the acute power shortage in the state, the Democratic Front government in Maharashtra today decided to discontinue its pre-poll promise of providing free power to farmers.
Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh announced this after a state cabinet meeting this afternoon.
He, however, said that the government would provide subsidised power to the farmers and reimburse Rs 1,200 crore subsidy bill every year to the Maharashtra State Electricity Board.
The Sushilkumar Shinde government, on the eve of the Assembly elections in July last year, had announced free power to over 2.5 million agricultural pumps in Maharashtra.
Also, during elections they promised regularisation of slums upto year 2000 (from 1996).
Where are you? what is your take so far?
Aaj ks taaja kabar....
State govt stops free power to farmers
By: Agencies
May 10, 2005
In view of the acute power shortage in the state, the Democratic Front government in Maharashtra today decided to discontinue its pre-poll promise of providing free power to farmers.
Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh announced this after a state cabinet meeting this afternoon.
He, however, said that the government would provide subsidised power to the farmers and reimburse Rs 1,200 crore subsidy bill every year to the Maharashtra State Electricity Board.
The Sushilkumar Shinde government, on the eve of the Assembly elections in July last year, had announced free power to over 2.5 million agricultural pumps in Maharashtra.
Also, during elections they promised regularisation of slums upto year 2000 (from 1996).
#49 Posted by cayenne on May 11, 2005 1:37:49 pm
Re: # 30
jang and HP
link to list of auto manufacturers in india:
http://www.autoindex.org/makelist.plt?cntr=32&letter=All
link to list of auto manufacturers in pakistan:
http://www.autoindex.org/makelist.plt?cntr=33&letter=All
See how `advanced` the pak auto `industry` is compared to india`s!!!.Click and weep.
jang and HP
link to list of auto manufacturers in india:
http://www.autoindex.org/makelist.plt?cntr=32&letter=All
link to list of auto manufacturers in pakistan:
http://www.autoindex.org/makelist.plt?cntr=33&letter=All
See how `advanced` the pak auto `industry` is compared to india`s!!!.Click and weep.
#30 Posted by jang on May 10, 2005 12:36:48 pm
#29 mirchi, true, but look, pakis have nice highway, (who cares how they got it done?)whereas all you have to be proud of is a small 70 mile strip from panvel to shivaji nagar to show for, and the rest-stop vada-pav. oh i forgot the ``fly-overs`` in bombay.. no shit, at the end of every fly-over is a mess of super-size pot-holes. so a small 15-mile journy from seepz to downtown can take 3 hours.
#34 Posted by cayenne on May 10, 2005 11:37:31 pm
Re: # 31
I humbly offer you this cutandpaste link to Hyundai Motor India`s model range.All these models are manufactured locally.India is also the sole manufacturing base for the Santro Xing model worldwide.This link does not include higher end vehicles imported like the Terracan and Tuscon SUV`s.
http://www.autoindex.org/maker.plt?no=1246
I will say no more.
I humbly offer you this cutandpaste link to Hyundai Motor India`s model range.All these models are manufactured locally.India is also the sole manufacturing base for the Santro Xing model worldwide.This link does not include higher end vehicles imported like the Terracan and Tuscon SUV`s.
http://www.autoindex.org/maker.plt?no=1246
I will say no more.
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