Poverty creation - Maharashtra ishtyle

Re: # 81

Last week most of the cows in old Delhi metro areas were shipped out.The first pic. is a street scene in old Delhi.We`re a democracy and sometimes the people carry things too far.Yet, the local govt. has to weigh citizen`s rights against social responsibility.So, the courts gave permission to cart the cows out and it was done.There was no opposition form the metro dwellers.They knew they were doing something illegal by keeping the cows in metro areas , till they could get away with it.Same with the Mumbai slum saga.The matter is now in the court.Once the courts give the ok, no social activist nor squatter can stop it.The last one is a rural pic.Ever been to Switzerland.Herds of cows will cross the street in their rural areas.Everyone waits patiently and then moves on.

This is the Mumbai i know........link

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=159501

Indian moms on the road

`` when Maharashtra used to be one of the best-governed states in India. ``

It used to true until the mid-1980s

`` This year, Maharashtra is up for grabs as the worst-governed state. Vilasrao and gang seem to be well on the home stretch, without trying too hard. His vice-captain, R.R. Patil, is making sure of that. ``

It is hard to beat Bihar

`` In December last year, the Govt. took action to transform Mumbai into Shanghai. About three lakh people had their meagre homes destroyed, and were told to ‘go back where you came from.’ As bulldozers demolished around 70,000 slum dwellings, the city Corporation requested that the names of the newly homeless be struck off the electoral rolls. ``

We can argue about the pros and cons of the govt measure. Don`t you think the government enforced property rights ?

`` Then came the Bar Girls’ saga. Reacting to the case of a young man who had murdered his grandmother for money to lavish on a bar dancer, R.R. Patil announced that all the dance bars in the state would be shut down, throwing 75,000 bar dancers and innumerable other people – waiters, cooks, cleaners, etc., out of work. The Govt. did make some noises about rehabilitating the girls and providing them with alternate employment, but when educated people don’t have jobs, what can the Govt. do for these semi-literate girls? One of the bar dancers declared unequivocally on TV that they would have no option but to turn to prostitution if the bars were closed down. So much for moral policing! ``

I want to know what happens to the money spent on bar girls. It is going to be spent somewhere. What happens to the bar girls when they get old ? Does the author care for their plight ?

`` 1) Massive hikes in water charges. The new rates will reflect ‘full recovery of cost of irrigation management, administration, operation and maintenance,’ and ‘partial recovery of capital investment.’ ``

Clean Water is not free resource. Unless people pay the market value for the water it will not be utilized properly.

`` 3) Farmers with more than two children will have to pay one and half times the new rates.``
Somebody has to enforce population control.


`` 5) Breaking these laws will invite six months imprisonment and a fine of ten times the annual water charges. ``

Any bias against enforcement of laws !!!

`` Seen against the backdrop of last year’s drought and the consequent suicides by farmers in some regions of Maharashtra, this Bill is truly monstrous. For farmers who are already deep in debt, unable to pay even the old charges, the provisions of this Bill are a death-knell. Agriculture, the poor farmer’s only source of survival, will become totally unviable. Small holdings will be gobbled up by rich landowners, and thousands, maybe lakhs of people, will be rendered landless. And no prizes for guessing where many of them will end up in their quest to earn a living. ``

What makes you think small farms are viable long term in WTO era ?

`` I refuse to believe that these possibilities would not have struck Vilasrao and gang. And if The question is, will the burgeoning numbers of the poor, continue to agree to remain invisible, as all good poor people should? Maybe Vilasrao will enlighten us in due course. ``

One one hand you complain about the increasing number of poor people. On the other hand the software and call center industries complain about the lack of cheap labor. Are we missing something ?

cayenne #37

`` Unchecked migration to Mumbai must end.I admire the people of Chennai, who through their language restrictions have checked the population growth and migration, or kept it within limits.There is equitable power distribution and rarely any power cuts in chennai metro.The world`s largest nuclear power reactor is nearing completion in TN.I was there a couple of weeks back for three days and not a single power cut anywhere in the city.Saves us mahrashtrians right for accepting hindi as our national language.Our interests should lie with the people of the konkan and deccan regions.We are one of them. ``

The TNEB is relatively well run compared to most other electricity boards.

I do not think Chennai has any restrictions on migration. There is a large Telugu minority.

Rich/middle class North Indians would prefer to live eleswhere because people in Chennai do not speak Hindi and Chennai is socially conservative compared to Mumbai/Delhi. For poor North Indians Chennai is farther than Delhi/Mumbai and it is hard to survive without knowledge of English/Tamil.

#82 by bbabu on May 12, 2005 6:35pm PT
1) Massive hikes in water charges. The new rates will reflect ‘full recovery of cost of irrigation management, administration, operation and maintenance,’ and ‘partial recovery of capital investment.’ ``

Clean Water is not free resource. Unless people pay the market value for the water it will not be utilized properly.

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I agree wholeheartedly.People in the West have uninterrupted water supply, `cause they pay through their a**eholes for it.I want to see this author`s face when she sees an American monthly water bill for a single family house.And, they pay for sewage, for heating(gas or oil), for yard maintenance AND taxes.Or, monthly maintenance if the dwelling is a co-op apartment.It`s a wonder India is where it is , despite freeloaders and those who live off them, like activists and do-goodniks.

Re: # 86

Avenger, you can dream on. It is not a fenced highway and your Gao matas can cross it left and right. Pay attention to the pics I posted the highway is fenced.

Haideri...Indian roads are way better than puki roads. See this.The Pune-Mumbai express highway >>



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HP aka Hijra Paki .....concentration of poverty in India is lot lower than in Pakistan. India has the higher per capita , higher literacy and better human development indices than Pakistan.

those expressway pics are amazing.. no hyundai-santros (or any other cars, except for the lonely TRAX milk-wagon) that indian roads are claimed to be full of. whats wrong with this picture?

Re# 87

Take a look at the ``civilized and rich`` country`s laundry (It is located in Bombay)

Haideri,

I can just see the jealousy brimming over in your posts.

Are there no laundry facilities in Pakistan? Civilized and Rich country like India can afford to have many.

Rep # 91
Over one billion living on a small piece of land, you call this living? Go all the way down in the posts and see who started the pissing match.

#92 by haideri on May 13, 2005 10:25am PT
HP..I`ve seen dhobi ghats in pakistan.They`re smaller and dirtier.What`s so wrong about this picture?.These people are plying a trade they have been doing for centuries.P**s off.Some people swear by the dhobi, but there are large sections of the population that use washing machines.So??.And, India is the seventh largest nation in the world.Again, p**s off.

Re: # 102

Oh!!.Now you`re trying to backtrack and pretend to be nice.Typical pak manouvering.Nice try.You and your puny little country can take a hike.You cannot deny that little boys are molested and sold for sex on the streets of Lahore and Karachi.Ask me and i`ll back it up by pasting a link.I don`t like to wash your dirty in linen in public, unlike your classless self. Isn`t it time you went to bed, `little` one, from the little country on our western flanks.Good night.

Re: # 99

Netizen,

What you just said in few lines makes much more sense than what ``cayenne`` has been spewing for last few hours. I am not a ``Mullah`` Muslim and what Mohammad did was absolutely wrong. This practice is still alive in some parts of rural India and Pakistan.

Re: # 96

``According to some research, child prostitution is socially acceptable in some sections of Indian society through the practice of Devdasi. Young girls are given to the `gods` and they become a religious prostitute. ``

Thanks Haideri for pointing out the decadence in indian society. We have a lot of work to do. Its poverty which is a significant factor which has to be confronted. But its easy said then done.

`` was trying to draw your attention to the ``civilized`` practice of Devdasi. ``

There cannot be any justification for this kind of system. There are laws against it. But in a county like india laws can be broken with bribe/influence/muscle power. I hope you also do not condone Mohammad marriage to little girl, Ayesha with some nonsensical excuse. We need to be rational.

Also, you can point to the AIDS problem that is growing in India.