Islam vs. Islam

drlokraj:21
This same coca-colonisation and hamburger-hegemony is evident in the matter of the famous tablaa player & sarod player. Allah Rakhaa was never accorded such recognition by the jahils of the succesors to the ``W.D and Ho Wills`` & `` By appointment to her majesty`s`` riff-raff.

Z.A . Bukhari hounded out BaRRay Ghulam Ali Khan--and then that legend about how he was coaxed to `lower` himself to compose & sing that great rendition for Mughle-Azam. Indira Gandhi acyting as a maid for Begum Akhtar when meeting Z.A. Bhutto at the Simla conference
is a well-known anecdote. `Treatment` of Josh Malihabaadi by these anglo-ungleed punks is no secret either.

Ustaad Bismillah Khan is still waiting for the Highland-bagpipers to award him a certificate so that a few more ``Junoonees`` can prove that they have acquired some Indian culture.

Laanat Lukhh Laanut.

`` Eik hUm haiN kay liyaa upnee hee soorat ko bigaaRR
Eik voh haiN, jinhaiN tasveer banaa aatee hai``

tr: Here are we who excel in defacing ourselves; and then there are those who produce exquisite paintings``

The link works very well. Sometimes gets busy. But listen you must to this genius. Pathaanay KhaaN.
another genius This he recorded when in his seventies & the French made a documentary on him. Most Pakistanis are quite aware of this genius. It is being reproduced here for dostmittar, stuka, harish, malangi & so many other non-Ba Ba Blackies.

The Ba Ba Blacksheep like Musharraf arf arf , beNazeer bezameer, Shaukee-Laukee, & the Rushdick-suckers in Pakistan try to polish their own image by ``awarding`` him pride-of-this and all that stuff which could bring their ownselves recognition by photo-ops & media-blitz

Never did these arseholes had the decency to get a dentist to fix Pathana Khan`s teeth. Of course , if a Peter Gabriel or a Dockyard-rat (Beatle) would have patronised then suddenly a Nusrat and a RaviShankar would have been ``discovered``. [`` Hey do you know Lennon is learning Sitaar? We must too``--the purveyors of alternate orifices and the effiminate ones with small t-esticles squeal]

`` KhizaaN tamaam huee, kis hisaab meiN likhiyay
bahaar-e gul meiN jo pohnchaiN haiN shaakh-e gul ko guzund``

tr: ( paraphrased) The dark night ( of slavery: colonial rule) has been over now but how do we account and answer for the subjugation which we have endure now that we are free``

malangi:20
I am trying; it is not easy--but inshaAllah I will find it one day.

Re: # 16
Well said about Alam Lohar.Same can be said about Lal Chand Yamla Jatt who used toombi(smaller version of Ik-taara) for the first time in Punjabi folk and composed his own lyrics.He was ``illiterate``in technical terms but wrote so many beautiful songs.Lived like a darvesh in a dera throughout his life.
Some years ago someone brought two cassettes of Allah Ditta,which I enjoyed a lot.I wonder what happened of him?
Other good Punjabi singers are Puran Chand Wadali and Pyare Lal Wadali-simple ``paindoo`` folks from Amritsar District who sing mainly qaafis.

Re: # 8

The only thing I had remebered from this song was the line Teen kanastar...and the way Rafi sang those words. Thank you for the lyrics. Do you have a link for the audio.

Regards.

#14 by fuzair wrote: For once I find myself agreeing with Echoboom (!! gigantic flying pigs everywhere!!!), Junoon is truly pathetic and a sad excuse for music. AND
I`d rather listen to Abrar ul Haq`s ``Billo dey Ghar`` or ``Billo on GT Road.``

#16 by Boombox wrote regarding Junoon: These arseholes neither have a clue about music nor about poetry. They know not western music nor do they know eastern music. ..Now Abrar is solid, genuine, refreshing. What a great gift to Panjabi music.

If only you folks from the Bara or Bada sooba understood music. Abrar ul Haq vs Junoon..... what a stupid comparison. Abrar sings ``commercial`` music and is only concerned about making money by singing his cheap ``filmy`` music.
Junoon on the other hand has some good poetry.... the lyrics make sense (except a few) but over all their music makes sense.
#4 dullabhatti: Your name seems like you too belong to the Bada sooba but then they don`t use the term ``burger`` rather ``mummy daddy``.
How can you say that Junoon is only for burgers or ABCD`s. That is just an absurd statement. have you ever listened to their music or your taste in music is limited to the ``Bazari Shairy`` that is so common in Pakistan.
For those of you who have never heard their music, go this the link below and listen to the songs, and if you have taste you would enjoy them.
http://www.junoon.com/jeemography_files/lyrics_files/junoon_album_lyrics_andaz.html

harish_syed:9
You are most welcome.

You would also enjoy this one by Mehdi Hassan. But then this is URDU--see the beauty of poetry and the great music of Khurshid Anwar.


Aye raushniyaUN ke shehr bataa

Re: # 16

.....it is nonsense like this that makes a mockery out of music !

...... alam (and arif) lohar were great musicians in their own right, but to expect kids raised on western rock `n` roll to like them is silly beyond words - junoon, on the other hand, bridged the gap effectively ............. chinese, arab, japanese and eskimo music is going the same way and there is nothing that can, or needs to be done ...........

......... paranoia must be treated and the music must go on ...........

fuzair: 14

Thanks for launching the Porcine AirLines. There was a trial flight once before.


Now Abrar is solid, genuine, refreshing. What a great gift to Panjabi music.

We, the self-doubters of our own IQs and EQs, have become so much used to acquiring education that we feel uncomfortable to become examining bodies. Until & unless a certificate is issued by the colonisers we discard our own creative impulses.

`` Ghulami kya hai? zauq-e husn-O-zeba-ish sey mehroomee
Jisay zeba kahaiN azaad bUnday , hay vohee zeba``

---

ALLAMA Iqbal

tr: What is Slavery? An absence (in someone) of aesthetics & an inability to discriminate.
Whatever is deemed propper by free-men, is indeed propper & correct.



In my opinion, not necessarily humble, Alam Lohaar must be declared the topmost musician, singer, composer and innovator in Desi music [ of course, if there are others like him I want to know]. We waste time & money doing out totaa-mainaa routine about Amir KhusrO [ great guy for sure] but are perhaps waiting for another 800 years for someone [ in power, position, and prestige] to point out to us Alam Lohaar. The guy added a new genre (Jugni) to music, Popularised & got acceptance for Chimta as a musical instrument, wrote his simple, elegant and fabulous poetry--the guy kept the name Lohaar! his proud family trade & vocation.

He worked for the Railways as a Lohaar (Iron smith) and entertained the workers outside the workshop during lunch hour.

He, indeed, was a free man.

who the heck is king of leons ????

............ that`s what i asked my daughter when she said that they were driving all the way to cleveland to go to a concert ?.............. ``who the heck is junoon and abrar and that whiny nasal toned woman lata whathername that you guys listen to ?`` ............ good point!............. i apologized for dragging her to an abrar concert a few years ago - she still hasn`t recovered from the trauma ...........

............ on another note we are going to a big wedding in a few weeks where the only music allowed will be the daf - an ``islamic`` instrument sanctioned by the prophet ........... that`s why i ask mrs hamidm to stay away from indian muslims, specially hyderabadis - their taste in music is unearthly ...........

Yes, the Muslim world is perhaps on a collision course with itself, and the unGodly (who call themselves hyperGodly) are winning but Junoon is nowhere in this picture.

For once I find myself agreeing with Echoboom (!! gigantic flying pigs everywhere!!!), Junoon is truly pathetic and a sad excuse for music. I remember watching part of their UN concert on TV, the first time that I had ever heard anything by them, and thinking just how bad they were. No wonder they were playing to empty stands! I`d rather listen to Abrar ul Haq`s ``Billo dey Ghar`` or ``Billo on GT Road.``

This trend in music is reflective of the overall changes sweeping the world in all areas of life.It is not something which only the Islamic world is facing and BTW is there a separate world for followers of Islam? I dont enjoy pop music which is akin to the instant food or junk food or many similar things or trends.I prefer to listen to Beghum Akhtar or Mehdi Hassan or Yamla Jatt,but there are others in my own house who dont like them but enjoy listening to Jazzy B,Junoon or Shaan and I always fall in minority.They say it is their choice and I should mind my own business and keep listening to my kind of music.The individualization,starting from the west is engulfing everything.
When we take pride in driving Fords and Mercs and drink coffy at Dunkin Donuts or Batista and order Pizzas from Pizza Hut and quote Wordsworth or Keats and avoid talking about Manto,Iqbal or Munshi Prem Chand and beg for funds from WB and IMF every now and then,this was bound to happen and this is still a small change.Wait for few years,our children will start spending nights out and on being asked,will retort back,``you have no right to decide,what is right for me;this is MY life.``

#7 Rozaiba: Don’t get it wrong! The musical group “Junoon” is probably just fine. (Very few interactors here have any problem with that. Besides, the simple fact is that a lot of people attend those musical events because they LIKE to.)

But to extend it into an “Islam vs. Islam” or even “Islam vs. Muslim” phenomenon would take lot of hard stretching work, a feat that would be difficult to accomplish unless one perhaps enters (what I fondly call) the “HP state of mind” (which would probably require some serious preparation involving high-priced alcoholic beverages).

And unlike the spin that this guy #11 seems to be putting on it now, I don’t believe that the original article was meant as a satire!

And the rest of the stuff #11 talks about? What a load of (sorry, there is no other way to put it) CRAP!

Cemendtaur:

you acidly observe ``this storm seems to portray the notion that the way life is presently lived in the west can be lived in the Muslim lands, with the native cultural stamp affixed and a light coat of Islam painted on it ``

A salutary tribute to your writing: this article feasts a magical backdrop of modern Rock and Qawalli favorably fused: yet accentuating an identity confrontation within American-born Muslims/Pakistanis. The truths and contradictions about themselves, a pluralistic dual identity crisis will hopefully mesh and metamorphose itself into invigorating strength.

Music is a potent instrument that both unites and divides this captive Junoon audience. Fence-sitting is only a natural by-product of a super-imposed class of civilizations. Junoon mythically meander through their lyrics crushing Huntingtonian trodden paths to offer an alternative-

Not clash but co-alition.

Not contempt but caring.

Junoon are emblematic in that they are one of the precious few bands who reveal their music with poetic, evocative and philosophical underpinnings: enticingly re-inventing the cultural wheel fortifying an inquietude: One can reside in the West and hold traditional beliefs simultaneously: be they Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Parsi or Jain.

An endless search for transcendental passion only comes of age through internal cultural conciliation.

The shimmering air and light of dawn, even amongst torrid tensions of identity, finds its way through the capturing confines of obscurantism.

Your piece is a gift for any music fan and a must-read for identity conciliators.

well its difficult for some people to accept change and more difficult for some to appreciate others..! this is what these interactions clearly prove.

Get a life guys...nothing is in clash with each other..nor music neither the religion..

Keep dreaming..!

#8 by echoboom

Thanks! I never knew such a song existed, even though I have followed Kishore, Mukesh and Rafi very closely. I`ll definitely add this one to my collection.

Thanks again.

Teen kanastar peet peet kar
Gala phaaRR kar chillana
Yaar mere mat bura maan
Yeh gaana hai na bajaana hai
Teen kanastar...

Naach ke badle kamar hilana
Uchchal ke circus dikhlana
Bhool hai teri tu samjha hai
Duniya paagal khaana hai
Teen kanastar...


Udhar se le kar, Idhar jama kar,
Kab tak kaam chalaoge
Kiska raha zamana ek din
Mehfil se uthh jaaoge
Naqual ka dhanda chal nahin sakta
Ik din toh pachhtana hai

Yaar mere mat bura maan
Yeh gaana hai na bajaana hai
Teen kanastar...


Bhool gaya tu Taansen ki
Taan yehin par goonji thi
Sur ke jaadoogar Baiju ki
Shaan yehin par goonji thi
Markay amar hai Sehgal usska
Har koi deewana hai, har koi deewana hai,

Yaar mere mat bura maan
Yeh gaana hai na bajaana hai

Teen kanastar…



The scathing lyrics that take a purposeful potshot at plagiarism are penned by Shailendra. It is set to a lip-smacking catchy tune by Shankar Jaikishan for the film Love Marriage (1959) and sung with gusto by the inimitable Mohd. Rafi.

This 5:38 minute song has a two-minute prelude – an instrumental duel between the jazz / rock western sounds and the traditional slow eastern melody. Both the sets (with the western sounds being longer, leading to the jibe by the hero in the song) are a wonderful display of the duo’s expertise and versatility.