Nauman Nisar May 15, 2005
#45 Posted by soysauce on May 19, 2005 9:17:56 am
#10 ferozk
Must you inject facts into this?
Don`t forget southern democrats refering to themselves as `yellow-dog democrats.`
One conjecture has been that all this furore is because dogs are haram in islam.
Methinks the cartoon merely brings up a larger issue - that the military regime has in effect surrendered the sovereignty of pakistan by letting american army and secret services operate in pakistan with a great degree of freedom.
Must you inject facts into this?
Don`t forget southern democrats refering to themselves as `yellow-dog democrats.`
One conjecture has been that all this furore is because dogs are haram in islam.
Methinks the cartoon merely brings up a larger issue - that the military regime has in effect surrendered the sovereignty of pakistan by letting american army and secret services operate in pakistan with a great degree of freedom.
#44 Posted by bbabu on May 18, 2005 6:17:25 pm
Washington Times is not a mainstream newspaper. It is a right wing alternative to the more mainstream Washington Post. I doubt the Washington Times editors consult with the American government before publishing cartoons.
#43 Posted by bbabu on May 18, 2005 6:15:28 pm
What is wrong being compared to a dog ? Dogs are docile, loyal and generally likeable animals.
#42 Posted by aquaris on May 18, 2005 8:35:17 am
....Why do I have this uneasy feeling... that in the coming 14-20 Months Pakistan will again be left High and Dry.. Like always...
.....Pakistan is being tolerated only as long its surving the purpose.....Forget Al-qaeeda...thats a bogey...
Americans are honestly cruel... they have Told Pakistan ...what they think of them
via this Symbolism ( Dog fetching prey for them )..... Pakistan must now wriggle itself out from these clutches.
It now has no Friends.... Maybe a symphetiser or two... But No Friends....This does not means another Breakup... although Baluchistan Is being used to create such a pressure...
or as a bargaining Chip.... with obvious insinuations....
Musharaf is not smart... He is just riding his Luck...and hoping for the Best...
And Honestly ....... Should Re-Stock the situation.
#40 Posted by vagabond78 on May 18, 2005 3:43:05 am
On a serious note, you brought these on your self. By becoming a ``client state`` of US in war on terror lost whatever self-respect as a nation. I was reading in a Pak editorial that one US senator had in the past said, ``Pakis are people who`ll sell their mothers for a 10$ bill``. So why would anyone give respect, be ``friends`` when a 10$ bill will do the trick. That`s what is happening.
Nawaz Sharif I feel did a much better job resisting the world pressure post Pokhran-98 while Mushy is forever prostrating and licking Uncle Sam`s soles-just like a dog. And how you treat dogs? My uncle told me how contractors would call on him with offerings to get Govt contracts and favours but he never accepted anything. He told me that once you accept you`re subservient to them and next time the same contractor would call in the middle of the night when you`re sleeping with your wife and ask you to get his job done. He was telling me not to be corrupt ever always be true. If only Mushy was advised like this post-911 when he betrayed taliban just like that.
So as cayenne would say, wake up and smell the coffee. Pak is really an old hound with its leash firmly in US hands. And nothing you say or do can change that.
Nawaz Sharif I feel did a much better job resisting the world pressure post Pokhran-98 while Mushy is forever prostrating and licking Uncle Sam`s soles-just like a dog. And how you treat dogs? My uncle told me how contractors would call on him with offerings to get Govt contracts and favours but he never accepted anything. He told me that once you accept you`re subservient to them and next time the same contractor would call in the middle of the night when you`re sleeping with your wife and ask you to get his job done. He was telling me not to be corrupt ever always be true. If only Mushy was advised like this post-911 when he betrayed taliban just like that.
So as cayenne would say, wake up and smell the coffee. Pak is really an old hound with its leash firmly in US hands. And nothing you say or do can change that.
#38 Posted by Saj1981 on May 17, 2005 4:20:21 pm
Sorry for the prior mispost.
Uproar over a cartoon??????/...where is the uproar over this from all the mullahs and other self righteous lot in Pakistan....not to say the ``silent majority`` this is from your Daily Times
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
Uproar over a cartoon??????/...where is the uproar over this from all the mullahs and other self righteous lot in Pakistan....not to say the ``silent majority`` this is from your Daily Times
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
#37 Posted by Saj1981 on May 17, 2005 4:12:54 pm
Uproar over a cartoon??????/...where is the uproar over this from all the mullahs and other self righteous lot in Pakistan....not to say the ``silent majority`` this is from your Daily Times
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
#36 Posted by Saj1981 on May 17, 2005 1:34:02 pm
Breaking news...maybe not all that surprising..but still what do all the resident fundos here who believe that Mushy...Dubya`s own ``pet poodle`` will is there to stay beyond 2007...despair...anger..fear...what are the prevalent feelings I would like to know...and for that matter the views of more normal majority would be interesting...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4555911.stm
``There is no doubt that he will remain a candidate for the post of president after 2007 and, inshallah, he will win,`` Information Minister Rashid told Reuters news agency.``
loved that quote....was there a need for the inshallah there? hehehehe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4555911.stm
``There is no doubt that he will remain a candidate for the post of president after 2007 and, inshallah, he will win,`` Information Minister Rashid told Reuters news agency.``
loved that quote....was there a need for the inshallah there? hehehehe
#35 Posted by ntsyed on May 17, 2005 1:25:45 pm
Re: # 27
vagabond78: ``So all you cousin fuckers should be proud of yourself``
I can assure you that the only female cousin(s) of YOURS f***ed by Pakistanis, as per you allegation, are the MOST LIBERAL ONES who courageously work alone at nights, or the ones who go to ME on 3 month visit visas sponsored by their spouses to ``supplement`` the hubby`s income; while the hubby toils away in the desert sun or keeps the camels from off-season breeding in a game of camels-on-the-jockey....lol
vagabond78: ``So all you cousin fuckers should be proud of yourself``
I can assure you that the only female cousin(s) of YOURS f***ed by Pakistanis, as per you allegation, are the MOST LIBERAL ONES who courageously work alone at nights, or the ones who go to ME on 3 month visit visas sponsored by their spouses to ``supplement`` the hubby`s income; while the hubby toils away in the desert sun or keeps the camels from off-season breeding in a game of camels-on-the-jockey....lol
#34 Posted by wahi_to on May 17, 2005 9:48:23 am
so mr. nauman is suggesting that there is nothing wrong with a nation being compared to a dog. so if pakistan is depicted as a obedient dog then that is fine and it should be taken in a light manner. i am sure mr. nauman would also not mind being called a dog or depicted as a dog since dogs are cute little animals whom the americans sleep with.
on the other hand, that cartoon does reflect the stark truth. actions of pakistan military junta are anything but that of a obedient dog of america. if killing few arabs gets pakistan f-16 then so be it.
however, the military man patting the dog should realize that this dog can bite pretty hard and has bitten its good friends before. the dog is pretty smart; while giving 2/3 loafes of meat to the soldier it has extracted tons of benfits from the soldier.
so who is playing whom here?
on the other hand, that cartoon does reflect the stark truth. actions of pakistan military junta are anything but that of a obedient dog of america. if killing few arabs gets pakistan f-16 then so be it.
however, the military man patting the dog should realize that this dog can bite pretty hard and has bitten its good friends before. the dog is pretty smart; while giving 2/3 loafes of meat to the soldier it has extracted tons of benfits from the soldier.
so who is playing whom here?
#33 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2005 9:36:50 am
Re: # 29
I did not write my post to hurt your feeling rather I wrote it to entertain you. I thought I chose the best humor that in my opinion would enrtain a hindu but it seems that I fell short of the standards of you people.
#32 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2005 9:33:50 am
Re: # 30 Mukhlis
As a matter of fact, the people of pakistan are so adamant about it that they have drawn sketches to show American people how the cartoon should have been:
As a matter of fact, the people of pakistan are so adamant about it that they have drawn sketches to show American people how the cartoon should have been:
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#30 Posted by Mukhlis on May 17, 2005 8:59:42 am
I don`t think there would have been even a single voice of protest had Washington Post labelled the dog as ``Musharraf`` or ``Pak Army Generals`` or just simply ``Pak Army``. There would have been no protests whatsoever just as there weren`t any when Musharraf almost got blown to the sky or when Gen. Ahsan Saleem Hayat narrowly escaped a meeting with Gen. Zia. And as some interactors have suggested that is what is really going on anyway i.e. Army/Generals/Musharraf doing the bidding of the U.S like a faithful dog. So the question is, why all the uproar.
See the thing is, with the dog labelled Pakistan, it somehow implies that the people of Pakistan have some say in (or have some power over) what Musharraf & the Army are doing and whatever is going on actually has the backing of the common Pakistani.
Pakistanis just want the world to know that majority of Pakistanis never agreed to act like America`s dogs. Only Musharraf and his ghairt-mand corps commanders agreed to a role like that. So the solution: the dog be re-labelled properly and that will be the end of all protests.
See the thing is, with the dog labelled Pakistan, it somehow implies that the people of Pakistan have some say in (or have some power over) what Musharraf & the Army are doing and whatever is going on actually has the backing of the common Pakistani.
Pakistanis just want the world to know that majority of Pakistanis never agreed to act like America`s dogs. Only Musharraf and his ghairt-mand corps commanders agreed to a role like that. So the solution: the dog be re-labelled properly and that will be the end of all protests.
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