Nauman Nisar May 15, 2005
#25 Posted by Subedar on May 17, 2005 2:35:00 am
Ssaleemi sahib:
Calling Pakistani generals and for that matter Pakistani ruling class dog would be a gross affront of the loyalty of dogs. Producing such disloyal, corrupt and shameless dogs would take much more of genetical engineering than what is available to human race at the moment.
Sorry to remind you, though you definitely have right to have your opinion, insulting cute dogs goes beyond your democratic rights.
Calling Pakistani generals and for that matter Pakistani ruling class dog would be a gross affront of the loyalty of dogs. Producing such disloyal, corrupt and shameless dogs would take much more of genetical engineering than what is available to human race at the moment.
Sorry to remind you, though you definitely have right to have your opinion, insulting cute dogs goes beyond your democratic rights.
#26 Posted by ntsyed on May 17, 2005 4:18:51 am
Re: # 10
ferozk,
Please note my arguments as well to see that there are exceptions to the rule you describe. However, thank you for reinforcing my point with ``The FOX NEWS is often refered to the ``junkyard dog of the Republican Party`` because it zealously guards the interests of the Republican Party.``
While I too think that the depiction of Pakistan (as an active partner in war on terrorism) is right on the dot, the point expressed/implied (whichever way one wishes to look at it) in the cartoon may be that FOX or Pakistan do not have a mind and/or an agenda of their own viz always following the orders of his master not thinking where it may lead.
What American public and administration think of Pakistan; what Pakistani inept politicians think of their relationship with the US or about their position the bigger scheme of things; how the general Pak populace percieves this relationship; etc, etc, at the end of the day, it`s all politics....dirty game to exploit people. People simply do not have anything else they can do but to protest, agitate, vent...whatever else you want to call it.
I forget who, but someone here made a very pertinent point that may be they`re testing the temperature.
Same thing with desecration of Quran story in the Newsweek. Such incidents have reported by many high-profile newspaper many times in the recent past as you can see here. May be wanted to see how the entire Muslim nation would react globally, or if there would be call for jihad :-)~~
As for the uproar, in every situation different people respond differently becuase they receive the message differently, and seldom one is able to prove the other. I think most of the offended are upset at their own leadership, more so than the Americans, for their support for the latter.
ferozk,
Please note my arguments as well to see that there are exceptions to the rule you describe. However, thank you for reinforcing my point with ``The FOX NEWS is often refered to the ``junkyard dog of the Republican Party`` because it zealously guards the interests of the Republican Party.``
While I too think that the depiction of Pakistan (as an active partner in war on terrorism) is right on the dot, the point expressed/implied (whichever way one wishes to look at it) in the cartoon may be that FOX or Pakistan do not have a mind and/or an agenda of their own viz always following the orders of his master not thinking where it may lead.
What American public and administration think of Pakistan; what Pakistani inept politicians think of their relationship with the US or about their position the bigger scheme of things; how the general Pak populace percieves this relationship; etc, etc, at the end of the day, it`s all politics....dirty game to exploit people. People simply do not have anything else they can do but to protest, agitate, vent...whatever else you want to call it.
I forget who, but someone here made a very pertinent point that may be they`re testing the temperature.
Same thing with desecration of Quran story in the Newsweek. Such incidents have reported by many high-profile newspaper many times in the recent past as you can see here. May be wanted to see how the entire Muslim nation would react globally, or if there would be call for jihad :-)~~
As for the uproar, in every situation different people respond differently becuase they receive the message differently, and seldom one is able to prove the other. I think most of the offended are upset at their own leadership, more so than the Americans, for their support for the latter.
#27 Posted by vagabond78 on May 17, 2005 4:44:53 am
What`s idiotic and offensive there? It`s the ultimate endorsement of your loyalty to Uncle Sam. So all you cousin fuckers should be proud of yourself.
#28 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2005 6:51:55 am
Re: # 22 arjun
Thank you arjun for the picture; but don`t you see that it is just the carpet they are standing on. Going by the logic in this article and through the interacts from the people who are custodians of western interests in our lands, I don`t see a difference if you address your brother in law as b/chod or father as m/chod because that is what in fact they are. We are all bhonsri.../ke since that is where we all come from (I was a scissarian by the way). A hindu man when committs a sexual congress with his niece, is addressed as mamon/ mama in India by the woman, and other address him as bhaanji ke. These are all words.
Thank you arjun for the picture; but don`t you see that it is just the carpet they are standing on. Going by the logic in this article and through the interacts from the people who are custodians of western interests in our lands, I don`t see a difference if you address your brother in law as b/chod or father as m/chod because that is what in fact they are. We are all bhonsri.../ke since that is where we all come from (I was a scissarian by the way). A hindu man when committs a sexual congress with his niece, is addressed as mamon/ mama in India by the woman, and other address him as bhaanji ke. These are all words.
#29 Posted by arjun_m on May 17, 2005 8:39:24 am
#28 by Urstruly on May 17, 2005 6:51am PT
nothing hurts my feelings....you can post pictures of pakis standing on the US flag all you want...I hope you aren`t bothered by images of marines with shoes in a mosque(right before they go out and whack a bunch of jihadis...all with your tax $$)...
nothing hurts my feelings....you can post pictures of pakis standing on the US flag all you want...I hope you aren`t bothered by images of marines with shoes in a mosque(right before they go out and whack a bunch of jihadis...all with your tax $$)...
#30 Posted by Mukhlis on May 17, 2005 8:59:42 am
I don`t think there would have been even a single voice of protest had Washington Post labelled the dog as ``Musharraf`` or ``Pak Army Generals`` or just simply ``Pak Army``. There would have been no protests whatsoever just as there weren`t any when Musharraf almost got blown to the sky or when Gen. Ahsan Saleem Hayat narrowly escaped a meeting with Gen. Zia. And as some interactors have suggested that is what is really going on anyway i.e. Army/Generals/Musharraf doing the bidding of the U.S like a faithful dog. So the question is, why all the uproar.
See the thing is, with the dog labelled Pakistan, it somehow implies that the people of Pakistan have some say in (or have some power over) what Musharraf & the Army are doing and whatever is going on actually has the backing of the common Pakistani.
Pakistanis just want the world to know that majority of Pakistanis never agreed to act like America`s dogs. Only Musharraf and his ghairt-mand corps commanders agreed to a role like that. So the solution: the dog be re-labelled properly and that will be the end of all protests.
See the thing is, with the dog labelled Pakistan, it somehow implies that the people of Pakistan have some say in (or have some power over) what Musharraf & the Army are doing and whatever is going on actually has the backing of the common Pakistani.
Pakistanis just want the world to know that majority of Pakistanis never agreed to act like America`s dogs. Only Musharraf and his ghairt-mand corps commanders agreed to a role like that. So the solution: the dog be re-labelled properly and that will be the end of all protests.
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#32 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2005 9:33:50 am
Re: # 30 Mukhlis
As a matter of fact, the people of pakistan are so adamant about it that they have drawn sketches to show American people how the cartoon should have been:
As a matter of fact, the people of pakistan are so adamant about it that they have drawn sketches to show American people how the cartoon should have been:
#33 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2005 9:36:50 am
Re: # 29
I did not write my post to hurt your feeling rather I wrote it to entertain you. I thought I chose the best humor that in my opinion would enrtain a hindu but it seems that I fell short of the standards of you people.
#34 Posted by wahi_to on May 17, 2005 9:48:23 am
so mr. nauman is suggesting that there is nothing wrong with a nation being compared to a dog. so if pakistan is depicted as a obedient dog then that is fine and it should be taken in a light manner. i am sure mr. nauman would also not mind being called a dog or depicted as a dog since dogs are cute little animals whom the americans sleep with.
on the other hand, that cartoon does reflect the stark truth. actions of pakistan military junta are anything but that of a obedient dog of america. if killing few arabs gets pakistan f-16 then so be it.
however, the military man patting the dog should realize that this dog can bite pretty hard and has bitten its good friends before. the dog is pretty smart; while giving 2/3 loafes of meat to the soldier it has extracted tons of benfits from the soldier.
so who is playing whom here?
on the other hand, that cartoon does reflect the stark truth. actions of pakistan military junta are anything but that of a obedient dog of america. if killing few arabs gets pakistan f-16 then so be it.
however, the military man patting the dog should realize that this dog can bite pretty hard and has bitten its good friends before. the dog is pretty smart; while giving 2/3 loafes of meat to the soldier it has extracted tons of benfits from the soldier.
so who is playing whom here?
#35 Posted by ntsyed on May 17, 2005 1:25:45 pm
Re: # 27
vagabond78: ``So all you cousin fuckers should be proud of yourself``
I can assure you that the only female cousin(s) of YOURS f***ed by Pakistanis, as per you allegation, are the MOST LIBERAL ONES who courageously work alone at nights, or the ones who go to ME on 3 month visit visas sponsored by their spouses to ``supplement`` the hubby`s income; while the hubby toils away in the desert sun or keeps the camels from off-season breeding in a game of camels-on-the-jockey....lol
vagabond78: ``So all you cousin fuckers should be proud of yourself``
I can assure you that the only female cousin(s) of YOURS f***ed by Pakistanis, as per you allegation, are the MOST LIBERAL ONES who courageously work alone at nights, or the ones who go to ME on 3 month visit visas sponsored by their spouses to ``supplement`` the hubby`s income; while the hubby toils away in the desert sun or keeps the camels from off-season breeding in a game of camels-on-the-jockey....lol
#36 Posted by Saj1981 on May 17, 2005 1:34:02 pm
Breaking news...maybe not all that surprising..but still what do all the resident fundos here who believe that Mushy...Dubya`s own ``pet poodle`` will is there to stay beyond 2007...despair...anger..fear...what are the prevalent feelings I would like to know...and for that matter the views of more normal majority would be interesting...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4555911.stm
``There is no doubt that he will remain a candidate for the post of president after 2007 and, inshallah, he will win,`` Information Minister Rashid told Reuters news agency.``
loved that quote....was there a need for the inshallah there? hehehehe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4555911.stm
``There is no doubt that he will remain a candidate for the post of president after 2007 and, inshallah, he will win,`` Information Minister Rashid told Reuters news agency.``
loved that quote....was there a need for the inshallah there? hehehehe
#37 Posted by Saj1981 on May 17, 2005 4:12:54 pm
Uproar over a cartoon??????/...where is the uproar over this from all the mullahs and other self righteous lot in Pakistan....not to say the ``silent majority`` this is from your Daily Times
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
#38 Posted by Saj1981 on May 17, 2005 4:20:21 pm
Sorry for the prior mispost.
Uproar over a cartoon??????/...where is the uproar over this from all the mullahs and other self righteous lot in Pakistan....not to say the ``silent majority`` this is from your Daily Times
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
Uproar over a cartoon??????/...where is the uproar over this from all the mullahs and other self righteous lot in Pakistan....not to say the ``silent majority`` this is from your Daily Times
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Commenting on the clerics’ decree against suicide attacks on holy places, Minister of State for Religious Affairs Aamir Liaqat Hussain on Tuesday said the decree was only for Pakistan and that suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine were justified because Muslims were fighting foreign occupation there.
“Iraqi people can resort to suicide attacks against the US forces. Suicide attacks in Iraq and Palestine are legitimate because the Muslims in these countries are being killed by the invading forces,” he said, adding that the decree was issued in the context of Pakistan with a view to stopping terrorism at holy places. He said killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam and killing a Muslim for“God’s blessing was infidelity.
A govt minister expliticly supporting if not advocating more of these bloody suicide attacks that have been mainly killing innocent Iraqi civilians (instead of ``US Targets``) at a rate of 50 odd per day....and then following it up with: `` killing a Muslim without a just reason was forbidden in Islam``.....meaning what..well could be several things but me thinks most of his target audience would concur that means killing non-muslims ``without a just reason`` is viable.
Honestly...where are the riots from the thinking ``silent majority`` when the national religiou minister goes on air to make such assinine loaded statements.....(wassnt this the fool who faked all his degrees from some online uni...)
#40 Posted by vagabond78 on May 18, 2005 3:43:05 am
On a serious note, you brought these on your self. By becoming a ``client state`` of US in war on terror lost whatever self-respect as a nation. I was reading in a Pak editorial that one US senator had in the past said, ``Pakis are people who`ll sell their mothers for a 10$ bill``. So why would anyone give respect, be ``friends`` when a 10$ bill will do the trick. That`s what is happening.
Nawaz Sharif I feel did a much better job resisting the world pressure post Pokhran-98 while Mushy is forever prostrating and licking Uncle Sam`s soles-just like a dog. And how you treat dogs? My uncle told me how contractors would call on him with offerings to get Govt contracts and favours but he never accepted anything. He told me that once you accept you`re subservient to them and next time the same contractor would call in the middle of the night when you`re sleeping with your wife and ask you to get his job done. He was telling me not to be corrupt ever always be true. If only Mushy was advised like this post-911 when he betrayed taliban just like that.
So as cayenne would say, wake up and smell the coffee. Pak is really an old hound with its leash firmly in US hands. And nothing you say or do can change that.
Nawaz Sharif I feel did a much better job resisting the world pressure post Pokhran-98 while Mushy is forever prostrating and licking Uncle Sam`s soles-just like a dog. And how you treat dogs? My uncle told me how contractors would call on him with offerings to get Govt contracts and favours but he never accepted anything. He told me that once you accept you`re subservient to them and next time the same contractor would call in the middle of the night when you`re sleeping with your wife and ask you to get his job done. He was telling me not to be corrupt ever always be true. If only Mushy was advised like this post-911 when he betrayed taliban just like that.
So as cayenne would say, wake up and smell the coffee. Pak is really an old hound with its leash firmly in US hands. And nothing you say or do can change that.
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