Re-evaluating the First United States—Pakistan Alliance

kaalchakra#13:

``I never confuse a man`s admiration for other people`s beautiful wives for the man`s political convictions.``

Even when they compromise his convictions or affect his performance as a leader?

Note that I did not make mention of his affair with Lady Mountbatten or JFK`s remark that the only time Nehru showed any interest in his conversation with him at the White House was when Jackie spoke. AFAIK, they did not compromise his convictions.

Dost-Mittar

I never confuse a man`s admiration for other people`s beautiful wives for the man`s political convictions. A man who can`t admire women should worry us far more.

HP:

You are only partly right!

It was not the Congress but the Communists who changed their stance when the Germans attacked Russia. The Congress, despite its Quit India movement, did not oppose the Allies. If I recall my history correctly, Gandhi opposed Bose`s Azad Hind Fauj. Nehru was strongly against Nazis and Fascists.

You are right that the Congress had taken a anti-colonial, anti-imperial stance before independence. But you should also remember that this policy was almost solely the work of Nehru himself. Moreover, when they talked about anti-colonialism, they did not have the U.S in mind, which had consistently supported Indian freedom struggle in its dealings with Churchill.

You are right on track about Pakistani views about Liaqat not going to the Soviet Union first. In fact, the Russians did not have a high opinion of Nehru whom they called ``Imperialism`s running dog``. Their opinion changed only after Stalin`s death and especially after the Khrushev-Bulganin visit to India. But if India had joined the Western block, Pakistan would almost certainly gone to the Soviet block and the history of the subcontinent would have been completely different.

Kaalchakra:

``But the fact of the matter is that these were leaders of conviction.``

What conviction?

If Nehru had the conviction, why did he not hold a plebiscite in Kashmir instead of scuttling attempts of all U.N mediators sent for this purpose through one excuse or another? Why did he attack Goa while sermonising the rest of the world about solving all disputes through non-violence.
Even socialism! One meeting with fraudulent Teja`s beautiful jewish wife and he gave that so-called ``industrialst``, whom no one had heard of before or since, the permission to start his ``Jayanti Shipping Corporation`` in the private sector.

Re: # 6 Stuka Sahib:

``It shows that Nehru was an idiot and though the US tried its best to have a good relationship with India, the damn socialists in power then wrecked every opportunity.``

Indeed. However, Nehru wasn`t a lone idiot. Another idiot was Grand Ayatollah M. K. Gandhi. Consider a couple of his fatwas:

1. Jews should commit suicide in order to avoid the Holocaust.
2. Britain should fight Germany with spiritual weapons, instead of tanks and planes.

Nehru advised his nation to substitute the spinning wheel for textile machinery. I wonder what his successors will suggest as an alternative to the microprocessor. The abacus?


Cordially.

Well, I love to curse Nehru, but HP is closest to the truth on this.

Nehru (and later, Indira Gandhi with Nixon) have been accused to being arrogant and contemptuous (American authors have been quick to see a `Brahminical` trace in this). But the fact of the matter is that these were leaders of conviction.

They did not wag their tails between their legs, and change their views, a matter of astonishment to American officials. These American presidents and leaders were not always J.F.K. material.

#7 by dost-mittar, #6 by stuka
“The admiration that he had for the Soviet Union and the contempt that he showed for America and Americans when on their soil left the Americans no alternative but to go for their second choice, Pakistan.”

That’s a pretty loaded if I may say so.

I think your criticism of Nehru’s stand on his 1949 US trip is not justified.
In hindsight, we can be judgmental but what Nehru articulated in the US was the cornerstone of the Indian National Congress’s agreed foreign policy. Nehru did not pop this foreign policy up on his own. The Congress’s anti-imperialists and pro-Soviet stand was part of the agreed Congress policy. This policy was not developed in one day but the Congress had this stand for a long time.

Right at the inception of the Second WW, Congress had refused to support Brits in the war effort and when the Soviet Union was attacked, Congress switched its stand to support allies.
If I remember correctly, the quit India movement was launched in the hope that the Brits might lose the war.

Indian policy was appreciated all over the world as the colonialism at time was not completely destroyed and the Soviets were supporting many freedom movements around the world and the US role was not exactly supportive of the colonized nations.

There are always two sides to the coin. For a long time, Pakistanis cussed Liaquat Ali Khan for visiting the US first despite the fact that the Soviets had invited him first. Pakistani attributed Liaquat snub of Soviet Union then to the Soviet Support of India on Kashmir later.


This is an interesting article but there a few gaps and I will try and put together another post soon about the implications of US-Pak defense relations on Kashmir and India Pak relations.

stuka:

Yes, Nehru`s foreign policy was a disaster as much as his domestic economic policy. Even though I am against the BJP, it was Jaswant Singh who undid most of the damage done by Nehruvians in the foreign policy sphere.

I wish Indians had better sense and had listened to a wise TamBram like Rajaji and his Swatantra Party than to an airconditioned socialist dreamer who brought the Asian country with the most advanced socio-economic-administrative infrastructure in 1947 to the most laggard Asian economy at the end of his tenure.

Yakoub:

You have done a fairly comprehensive job of analysing the triangular affair between the U.S, India and Pakistan. As you correctly pointed out, the father of U.S-Pak alliance was neither Pakistan nor the U.S, but the Indian Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru. The admiration that he had for the Soviet Union and the contempt that he showed for America and Americans when on their soil left the Americans no alternative but to go for their second choice, Pakistan. As you have put it:

``The Indian Prime Minister’s trip to the US in 1949 was a pivotal moment which made the Truman administration seriously consider alignment with Pakistan as the best option in its South Asian policy. Nehru’s trip was disastrous inasmuch as he made it clear to Truman that India would not, under any circumstances, depart from its neutral position and nor would it support the United States in the Japan Peace Treaty talks.``

The two entered into an alliance with completely different but known objectives - Pakistan did not share the objectives of the alliance as it had no fear from either the Soviets or the Chinese; the U.S certainly did not share Pakistan`s enemity against India. Both were quite aware of why the other was entering the alliance. Pakistan was therefore wrong in complaining that the U.S did not support it against India as it was not an alliance objective. Nor was the U.S honest when it told Indians repeatedly that its alliance with Pakistan should not concern Indians as they knew quite well that Pakistan will use those arms against India and only against India. The only simpletons were those Pakistanis who thought that the U.S would stand by them against Indians and the Indians who thought that the U.S cared more for democracy than it did for its geo-political interests.

It shows that Nehru was an idiot and though the US tried its best to have a good relationship with India, the damn socialists in power then wrecked every opportunity.

Nehru`s (or India`s hypocricy) is mind blowing. Begging bowl in one hand, Moral Megaphone in the other. I am glad our foreign policy is more realistic now.

Re: # 3
Dont bee too harsh on Nehru ...the man was a visionary and like all idealists, occasionally out of step with reality.....but despite his foreign policy disaster ....he laid ground for a lot that is good in India...the tech boom that we are witnessing..powered by IIT`s, a healthy respect for democracy, the absolutely apolitical Army...a lot of this was possible bcoz of Nehru.....ofcourse the license raj stifled innovation and entrepreneurship...but is it not better to have a good polity before the economy unlike the (paper) Asian tigers of SE Asia...we have a long way to go in reforming the economy but an even longer way to go in liberalising our society .....the q`s is what comes first...the chicken or the egg???

# Yaqoob

a great read...interesting to hear a different perspective of the `62 ....the Sino-Pak alliance has been a thorn that the south block (offices of the Ministry of External Affairs) chooses to ignore like an ostrich...i find the spokesperson, the archetype of indian diplomatic personnel...arrogant idiots!

a very abrupt ending, which gave the article a rambling appearence. I am correct in assuming that apart from the first few paragraphs this article (a ) was intended elsewhere (b ) has had its tail chopped.

still its a deviation from the usual fare here on chowk. And a very welcome one.

God help us indians forget the disastrous Nehru years.In the same vein, i hope paks will forget the monumental catastrophe that was Ayub.Pak is still paying for it today.

Yaqoob

If there is a great deal of pre-existing work in this vein, then I am unfamiliar with it. So I am impressed!

Authors rarely focus on the obviously decisive role played by the cultural understandings about India and Pakistan as lodged in the minds of the Western leaders (although, you have not paid attention to the minds of the Chinese - an equally important external factor in our history).

Your do a great service to Indians. All sired by Nehru, we are genetically incapable of any cultural analysis of international relations.

The article surmmerizes the political developments between the United States and Pakistan.

A little bit of editing skills might have helped the narrative, as the article was a bit difficult to read given the weighted subject, which it was attempting to analyze.

Ciao