Yahya Noori May 25, 2005
#9 Posted by Singularity on May 26, 2005 4:18:49 pm
All,
Here is the problem with a muslim :
1. When the world is going high tech and fast forward mode, they want time and effort to be spent on learning Arabic, the language of the masters who imposed their culture in the name of god. Talk about Arabization of the mind.
2. Instead of attacking the fundamental problem, which is, there is NO DEMOCRATIC institutions on which people can depend upon they talk endlessly on myriad half-baked theories about solution to all their ills.
3. When a govt is run by a military which spends everything on an ARMY which always ends up getting beaten anyways, then nothing changes.
4. When the bedrock of a country is based on their INABILITY TO LIVE with people with different philosophies then it is a vicious cycle. You want to prove you are right, when you are obviously wrong. And you avoid to attack the basic issue on why there is hatred in PAK? Coz it was a country created exclusively on hatred for different philosophies though other than religion everything else is common.
Think, analyze but unless the basic wrong foundation is corrected nothing changes. It will be endless cycles.
Here is the problem with a muslim :
1. When the world is going high tech and fast forward mode, they want time and effort to be spent on learning Arabic, the language of the masters who imposed their culture in the name of god. Talk about Arabization of the mind.
2. Instead of attacking the fundamental problem, which is, there is NO DEMOCRATIC institutions on which people can depend upon they talk endlessly on myriad half-baked theories about solution to all their ills.
3. When a govt is run by a military which spends everything on an ARMY which always ends up getting beaten anyways, then nothing changes.
4. When the bedrock of a country is based on their INABILITY TO LIVE with people with different philosophies then it is a vicious cycle. You want to prove you are right, when you are obviously wrong. And you avoid to attack the basic issue on why there is hatred in PAK? Coz it was a country created exclusively on hatred for different philosophies though other than religion everything else is common.
Think, analyze but unless the basic wrong foundation is corrected nothing changes. It will be endless cycles.
#8 Posted by sapuri on May 26, 2005 2:50:10 pm
In response to the comment about studying Arabic being a stupid activity, I really have to disagree. Because we are a one-track society (as in speak English to succeed), we neglect Arabic. I`m not in any way saing that we should place less importance on English. Muslims wishing for the older days are always crying about how we should speak only Arabic and forget about English, so that our majesty and `hour` may come again, but that, needless to say, is naiive. English is a necessity; I think the concept of Urdu medium schools is itself naiive, but a reality becuase as Noori has brought to our attention very well, English serves to set barriers within our society.
Coming back to the topic of Arabic, I have come to this realization rather ashamedly, becuase in the end, as a Muslim (which the majority of Pakistanis are) it is difficult to appreciate/ grasp/ read prophetically chapters of the Qur`an without complete command over the original language of revelation.
We have fantastic translations and interpretations from scholars; plenty are in print. What strikes me though, is that looking past the `benchmark` translation Abdullah Yusuf Ali produced, many of the translations have been composed by converts of Western origins. These people realized that in order to really understand the sacred guidance the Qur`an provides, they had to learn Arabic, which they did.
I may sound absurd I know, but I think a lot of the misunderstandings, lack of tolerance etc that Muslims today face, are because they are unable to transliterate material from the Qur`an on their own. Each translation has its own viewpoint, and of course there are no hundred-percent analogous languages, therefore `lossy` translation is inevitable going from one medium (i.e. language) to another.
It is however, a terrible thing to force it, because as an instructor, you may know its importance, but students in elementary schools seldom take to foreign languages brilliantly. I think what could be instated is a steady progression of levels of study, not jsut for Arabic but for a language of choice; for we must minimize our inherent judgement of others to a minimum (e.g. ``Why are you studying French? Don`t you know Arabic is the language of the Qur`an?`` types of statements.)
So, I`m all about studying different languages at free will, but I think we all know in the depths of our minds that without fully grasping Arabic fundamentals, we`ll never get the most of our divine guidance.
Coming back to the topic of Arabic, I have come to this realization rather ashamedly, becuase in the end, as a Muslim (which the majority of Pakistanis are) it is difficult to appreciate/ grasp/ read prophetically chapters of the Qur`an without complete command over the original language of revelation.
We have fantastic translations and interpretations from scholars; plenty are in print. What strikes me though, is that looking past the `benchmark` translation Abdullah Yusuf Ali produced, many of the translations have been composed by converts of Western origins. These people realized that in order to really understand the sacred guidance the Qur`an provides, they had to learn Arabic, which they did.
I may sound absurd I know, but I think a lot of the misunderstandings, lack of tolerance etc that Muslims today face, are because they are unable to transliterate material from the Qur`an on their own. Each translation has its own viewpoint, and of course there are no hundred-percent analogous languages, therefore `lossy` translation is inevitable going from one medium (i.e. language) to another.
It is however, a terrible thing to force it, because as an instructor, you may know its importance, but students in elementary schools seldom take to foreign languages brilliantly. I think what could be instated is a steady progression of levels of study, not jsut for Arabic but for a language of choice; for we must minimize our inherent judgement of others to a minimum (e.g. ``Why are you studying French? Don`t you know Arabic is the language of the Qur`an?`` types of statements.)
So, I`m all about studying different languages at free will, but I think we all know in the depths of our minds that without fully grasping Arabic fundamentals, we`ll never get the most of our divine guidance.
#7 Posted by b_banth on May 26, 2005 1:12:48 pm
Its time-honored reality that after bread, clothing and shelter, education is the most basic necessity.
It is education that lifts people out of the state of chronic poverty in which they are constantly struggling to fulfill basic needs such as these. The truth is that all people have a right to have these basic needs fulfilled, and they also have a right to education.
According to UNESCO More than 836 million adults in the developing world are illiterate. Around the world, one of every eight children is not enrolled in primary school, and more than one third of adolescents are not in high school. It is no coincidence that the vast majority of these unschooled youngsters and illiterate adults can be found in the poorest countries on earth. The direct link between poverty and lack of educational opportunities has been demonstrated many times over. Poverty has many roots, but the tap root is ignorance.
While everyone has a contribution to make in furthering our educational progress, basic education is a fundamental right, and it is the responsibility of governments to provide it. The huge gaps in opportunity that we witness in our world are just one form of injustice, and states are bound by duty and by law to strive for justice. Quite simply, we are not investing enough in education. We are condemning our children to be poor laborers, just as their grandparents were. Instead of preparing them for the twenty-first century, we are sending them back to the nineteenth century. We can do much better than this.
Many leaders in Islamabad will tell you that the cost of providing decent educational opportunities is prohibitive. Saddled with debt, lacking infrastructure, and short of trained personnel, we simply cannot afford to provide basic schooling for all children. However, this is not a problem of lack of resources, but rather a problem of resource allocation. The United Nations estimates that it would only take an additional six billion dollars per year to make basic educational opportunities available to the entire population of the developing world. To put that figure into perspective, consider that Americans spend 8 billion dollars per year on cosmetics, and Europeans spend 11 billion dollars annually on ice cream. Or consider the fact the world spends 780 billion dollars per year on weapons and soldiers. Obviously, the resources necessary to provide educational services exist; it is just a matter of changing our priorities and redirecting them so that they benefit the needy children of the world.
Education is not only essential to the creation of democracies, it is essential to development, and in particular to what we today call ``sustainable development.`` Sustainable development implies a balance between meeting immediate needs and looking to the future with a long-term vision. Everyone knows by now that the hierarchy of human needs dictates that someone who is hungry and has a family to feed is not going to think of sending children to school. To reverse this phenomenon, concerted efforts to meet the basic needs of poor families, as well as strong programs of education that are capable of instilling a long-term vision and teaching the responsible use of resources, will be indispensable.
It is education that lifts people out of the state of chronic poverty in which they are constantly struggling to fulfill basic needs such as these. The truth is that all people have a right to have these basic needs fulfilled, and they also have a right to education.
According to UNESCO More than 836 million adults in the developing world are illiterate. Around the world, one of every eight children is not enrolled in primary school, and more than one third of adolescents are not in high school. It is no coincidence that the vast majority of these unschooled youngsters and illiterate adults can be found in the poorest countries on earth. The direct link between poverty and lack of educational opportunities has been demonstrated many times over. Poverty has many roots, but the tap root is ignorance.
While everyone has a contribution to make in furthering our educational progress, basic education is a fundamental right, and it is the responsibility of governments to provide it. The huge gaps in opportunity that we witness in our world are just one form of injustice, and states are bound by duty and by law to strive for justice. Quite simply, we are not investing enough in education. We are condemning our children to be poor laborers, just as their grandparents were. Instead of preparing them for the twenty-first century, we are sending them back to the nineteenth century. We can do much better than this.
Many leaders in Islamabad will tell you that the cost of providing decent educational opportunities is prohibitive. Saddled with debt, lacking infrastructure, and short of trained personnel, we simply cannot afford to provide basic schooling for all children. However, this is not a problem of lack of resources, but rather a problem of resource allocation. The United Nations estimates that it would only take an additional six billion dollars per year to make basic educational opportunities available to the entire population of the developing world. To put that figure into perspective, consider that Americans spend 8 billion dollars per year on cosmetics, and Europeans spend 11 billion dollars annually on ice cream. Or consider the fact the world spends 780 billion dollars per year on weapons and soldiers. Obviously, the resources necessary to provide educational services exist; it is just a matter of changing our priorities and redirecting them so that they benefit the needy children of the world.
Education is not only essential to the creation of democracies, it is essential to development, and in particular to what we today call ``sustainable development.`` Sustainable development implies a balance between meeting immediate needs and looking to the future with a long-term vision. Everyone knows by now that the hierarchy of human needs dictates that someone who is hungry and has a family to feed is not going to think of sending children to school. To reverse this phenomenon, concerted efforts to meet the basic needs of poor families, as well as strong programs of education that are capable of instilling a long-term vision and teaching the responsible use of resources, will be indispensable.
#6 Posted by jang on May 26, 2005 12:39:10 pm
about 2-tiered systems..
sometime back shivsena, the rightwing party in bombay, which is generally anti-western values made english compulsory in primary schools. this was contradictory to their attitude of banning valentines day etc. their argument was that the lower-classes fall behind due to lack of phur-phur english.
sometime back shivsena, the rightwing party in bombay, which is generally anti-western values made english compulsory in primary schools. this was contradictory to their attitude of banning valentines day etc. their argument was that the lower-classes fall behind due to lack of phur-phur english.
#5 Posted by Urstruly on May 26, 2005 7:04:08 am
I dont think that this aparthied system of education and social hierarchy in Pakistan can be abolished by raising the awareness alone - it will need an armed resistance and civil war, which is an inevitability.
#4 Posted by Kamath on May 26, 2005 5:09:49 am
Yahya yaar:
Why don`t you lower your expectations here a bit? Where do you get the money, people, teachers, will to serve the society, school buildings, to include comp.science, science, modern European language, English, Urdu and Sindhi etc. You must be a an Khaki clad officer or some burocrat! to order and gets things done. If Pak Generals spend less money on military and its toys and divert more to the education , Pakistanis may get some thing better for their children.
Tell me why spend time and money to study ` Arabic`` ? It is stupid don`t you think?
Why don`t you lower your expectations here a bit? Where do you get the money, people, teachers, will to serve the society, school buildings, to include comp.science, science, modern European language, English, Urdu and Sindhi etc. You must be a an Khaki clad officer or some burocrat! to order and gets things done. If Pak Generals spend less money on military and its toys and divert more to the education , Pakistanis may get some thing better for their children.
Tell me why spend time and money to study ` Arabic`` ? It is stupid don`t you think?
#3 Posted by harish_hyd on May 25, 2005 11:40:12 pm
Yaar, I can understand your angst at the pathetic situation of education in Pakistan (not that it is any better in India), but why are you bent upon shooting yourself in the foot by advocating the need to teach Arabic in schools? What good is going to come out of it except that young Pakis will start to understand the Quran better? Is it going to help further their careers? Most English-medium students in India and Pakistan cannot speak English fluently, so how are we going to teach them to speak European languages?
#2 Posted by bbabu on May 25, 2005 5:45:53 pm
What is new ?
To some degree USA has a two tiered system for education. Folks who can afford homes in good school districts, can afford to coach their kids for SAT beat those who cannot.
#1 Posted by sajal on May 25, 2005 11:13:26 am
Passionate article,
I do agree our education system sucks!!!
I do know it is damn difficult to change it as the politicians and Mullahs will not let go of their prized possessions and let them get educated. Heaven forbid!! The priviledged class screams, now the Kami Kameen will get educated and strive for equality with our children!!!!
Education broadens your mind and makes you question but ignorance makes you follow others blindly.
All they want is blind masses devoid of any rational thought acting out like zombies to play in the hands of political and religious parties.
I do agree our education system sucks!!!
I do know it is damn difficult to change it as the politicians and Mullahs will not let go of their prized possessions and let them get educated. Heaven forbid!! The priviledged class screams, now the Kami Kameen will get educated and strive for equality with our children!!!!
Education broadens your mind and makes you question but ignorance makes you follow others blindly.
All they want is blind masses devoid of any rational thought acting out like zombies to play in the hands of political and religious parties.
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