The Alternative Muslim Identity

errmm.. i was gonna agree with Hamidm thoughts on Brazil, i have just become aware of the racial pissings going in full flow on this board.. none o` that..

hamidm sir: amen to Brazil !

hamidm,
i wanna go to brazil one day.. i agree completely with your thoughts ... wese the whole latin america is kind of something - mythical, magical, material, musical, .... have you been to Buenos Aires by any chance... ?

(dont really resist this bit.. ignore it.. but if you are into movies.. and you are digging brazil at the moment - i figure, you might like Black Orpheus - it is a retelling of orpheus-eurydice myth set in Rio`s carnival)

cheers!

ana,

``i will insist on not placing superlatives, or superiority on one race over the other`` ........... i agree ..........it is not politically correct and even though god has his favourite - chosen - people we don`t want to end up like poor jimmy the greek ....... only moses could get away with this kind of bigotary ...........

ana aka ms.boring...whatever.

gujjubania aka mike. . .

please be advised that you fool no one. and a reminder that for someone like you who believes the muslims in gujarat, and in the whole of india should be demonized for a hindu victory, your protests regarding fv-ji are empty, and hypocritical.

hamid,

i`m frankly quite tired of this blondes being the most beautiful. . . i don`t doubt that they are, but i will insist on not placing superlatives, or superiority on one race over the other. if you choose to, your choice. . . i`m glad you had a nice time in brazil.

oops...sorry for that...wrong thread...

Re: # 213

ana,

..... you should take my posts seriously because there is always a very profound, if hidden, message which sometimes even i cannot find !

......... but having just come back from brazil, i am a big proponent of inter-racial breeding .............. to me, as an outsider, the brazilians seem to be a much more integrated society, much more than the united states, primarily because most of them are of rather indiscernable race ........... of course, the blondes are still the most beautiful and the one million or so japanese in sao paulo have somehow managed to keep some degree of racial purity- the second eyelid is still missing - but, by and large, the people seem to be a wonderful blend of portugese, negro, italian and god knows what not ........... everyone loves football and fejoada and they all seem to get along just fine even though some are a shade darker than others ........and i i think it is all because they are sleeping with each other ........... not like here, where the blacks eat fried chicken and play basketball , the whites eat salmon and play at playing baseball while the mexicans eat jalapenos and drink beer while watching football on pay tv .......... and all because everyone goes to bed with their own kind ............

.......... this crap about maintaining a cacophonic mosaic of languages and cultures is a recipe for balkanization and disaster ............ if we are not careful, in a few years we will see people washing their feet in the wash basins at airport restrooms and women running around in public with those silly red dots on their foreheads !

Pakistan sympathiser FV-ji seems to have elicited quite a reaction from the asian age reading junta....although the reactions are too mild and polite for my taste...

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Ground reality

Sir, With reference to Farzana Versey’s letter Ominous Signs (June 20), I am the one who had written the letter to the JKLF in 1989 to which Aditya Rangroo has alluded in Homeless Pandits (June 18). The ground realities unfolded by 15 years of externally supported and abetted terrorism in Kashmir leading to the selective killing of nearly a thousand members of the Kashmiri Pandits during the initial days when KLF (later on JKLF) raised religious slogans, have convinced the whole world that Kashmir terrorism is integral to the Wahhabi ideological movement. In fact, OIC has given the status of an observer to the religion-based secessionist Hurriyat and not to any popular group from Kashmir just because Pakistan pleaded that Kashmir is the unfinished task of partition. In pursuance of the above ideological goal, Kashmiri terrorists would not like missing the opportunity of taking on even the President of Pakistan who is also from the Army. The story of governor Jagmohan’s logistical support to the exodus of the Pandits is the old canard which even the most virulent of his opponents, namely Dr Farooq Abdullah, also contradicted, albeit later. The works of public welfare which Mr Jagmohan did for Kashmir during his tenure endeared him to the masses in Kashmir to the extent that Muslim women in Srinagar sang his praises as part of contemporary folklore (wanwun). Of course, while dealing with the anti-national elements, he saw that the law of the land reigned supreme. If anyone in Kashmir had a strong clout in the Indian ruling apparatus, it were the stalwarts of the Kashmir political platform like Sheikh Abdullah, Bakshi Ghulam Muhammad, G.M. Sadiq, Mir Qasim, Dr Farooq Abdullah and Mufti Muhammad Sayeed who enjoyed the best of both worlds. If the Pandits had any say, neither Article 370 would be there nor the fatal status quo clause in the Simla Agreement. And thus the Kashmir issue would have been non-existent. Finally, the successful ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir and the acceptance of Kashmir’s covert theocratic status by the ``secular`` Indian Union leave no chance for the small religious minority of the Pandits to have any political space in Kashmir.

K.N. Pandita, New York

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Ignored

Sir, Farzana Versey’s letter Ominous Signs (June 20), made shocking reading for the hostile tone the writer adopted in it. No one is saying that Kashmir’s majority community is not dying from the militants’ bullets, but that cannot take away from the fact that the Pandits have suffered at the hands of the militants. That lakhs have fled Kashmir is a fact of life. That many of them are living in camps is also a fact. If the situation had been all right in the state, if the Pandits were not terrorised, if Kashmir was truly a paradise, they would not have left their homes. If the Hurriyat had been the conduit between Kashmir’s people and the governments of India and Pakistan, it would not have been scared to test the strength of its popularity through the ballot box. Let us also not glorify separatist elements like Yasin Malik, people who openly praise Pakistani ministers for running terrorist training camps. Jammu and Kashmir has a democratically elected government, something we are forgetting in all this media blitzkrieg about the Hurriyat’s visit to Pakistan. And it is also true that in our bid to make peace with Pakistan, in our attempt to build confidence building measures, we have forgotten about the Kashmiri Pandits.

Ananya Mahajan, Mahim, Mumbai

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Sir, Farzana Versey makes the ridiculous claim in Ominous Signs (June 20) that the Kashmiri Pandits who fled their homeland under the threat of the gun are not refugees because ``they chose to leave.`` By that yardstick, since the Palestinians too ``chose to leave`` in the months before the creation of Israel in 1948, they cannot be classified as refugees.

Ramesh Kumar, Bangalore

kaurasach#215

Here is a tidbit that Khushwant Singh may not remember!

Back in 1965 when I was about to leave for the U.S. as a student, I went for advice to Khushwant who was working at that time on a project in my office. He gave me the name and address of a woman in San Francisco and told me that she is the one to go to if I got horny. And added that she is a negro ``pur fikar na kareeN``. (Negro was still an acceptable word back then!)

ana:

-sigh-

ok

tahmed,

presenting a man in what very much looks like blackface to me is insulting and not surprising coming from you. but then perhaps you are not aware of the history of blackface in america. ignorance is not always bliss.

temporal,

once again your ``light`` attempt fails miserably.

tahmed #214:

gib·ber·ish (jĭb`ər-ĭsh)
n.
Unintelligible or nonsensical talk or writing.

astagfirallh

go in hiding sir!

the greek orthodox are inflamed and will stake you alive this evening

There is a book by Khushwant Singh - ``Black Jasmine`` - in it, he writes that black women smell like Jasmine and White women like buttermilk.

Ghost white and pasty white is as undesirable as baingan black.....whites spend billions more to darken their skins than brownies spend on ``Fair and Lovely``.

The best skin color is light brown. both sides tolerate you.


The short story is amusing. An attractive and sexy black woman tries to seduce an Indian student in NY. His inhibitions and cultural mores stops him. Time passes and the black woman and he meet again. His wife had seen the black woman in a photo. she is jealous and worried that her husband will have an affair. when she sees the black woman whose beauty has faded with age - she is relieved and doesn`t care if her husband sees the black woman - who is unattractive now.

well, the husband and the black woman (both old now) make passionate love.

ana: music to accompany Morley`s gibberish that you posted. :-)

hamid seems to always have the last laugh afterall, because we take some of his posts way too seriously.

by the way hamid sahib, being white is not really where it`s at, truth be told. one of these days, we should all stop listing what race or color or religion we are. `cause one isn`t superior to the other, you know.

here`s part of a bob marley song called ``war (no more trouble)``

Until the philosophy which holds one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war, me say war

That until there is no longer first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man`s skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes
Me say war

That until the basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war

That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be pursued, but never attained
Now everywhere is war, war. . .

godot, tahmed .........

sigh ..........just when i thought i had my identity crisis resolved and could proudly strut around like a stork instead of hobbling along like a crow, you guys and echoboom come along to ruin it for me ........... just wait, the boom will come out of his tahjud induced stupor any time now and start ranting and raving about baa baa black sheeps and gora goo chatters .......

.... i simply want to share the white man`s burden instead of adding to it !