The Alternative Muslim Identity

#206 change of nic worked you gave the game away lol

``A couple of years ago, late 2000, I decided that I was no longer Muslim.``

........... are you sure ?....... the other day my daughter, who was being pushed into helping with some fund-raising thing at the local masjid by her mother, declared, ``i don`t have the time and, besides, i am an atheist``.......... mrs hamidm, who is used to hearing this kind of stuff, didn`t miss a beat and told her to go get ready (and she did) ..........but i was a little perplexed ....... ``when and how did this happen?....... i thought, ``is she really serious, or is she just using it as an excuse to go and hang out with her friends instead of hanging out with those horrible red-haired aunties who make fun of her indie hair style`` ..............so, when she came downstairs i asked her, `` are you serious about being an atheist - you know it is hard work and you don`t have a knack for the usless, aka liberal, arts like religion, philosophy and sociology``............. she looked at me accusingly and said, ``but you don`t believe in any of that stuff either``.......... ``yes, but i don`t believe in atheism either ``........... she gave me that look which is reserved for senile old people who don`t know anything but are constantly telling younger people what to do ...........

....... anyway, i gave her a copy of karen armstrong`s history of god and told her to read it before she made up her mind whether she wanted to believe in him or not ..........she gave me that look again !.............. personally, i really don`t care wheter she believes in the tooth fairy or not, but she is taking a class in comparative religion next semester and needs an a to offset the c in sociology last semester .................

I think Habashi comes from Abbysinian (who are Ethiopians).

Re: # 203
The word `habshi` is now used as a general term for the African of the dark complexion in the Arabic, Persian and Urdu.

Yes, the Arabic 1400 years ago does use this word for the people specificly from and around Abbyssina. Coz the Eyptians to the north and Merakash (Morocco) to the west, differed in the skin colour back then, too.

And no, `habashi halwa` does mean the `dark brown sweet.` Named after the colour of the people from Africa, some 500 - 600 years ago. It does not mean the `halwa of the Africans.` This dish is nowhere known in Africa.

Re: # 208

``The word `habshi` is now used as a general term for the African of the dark complexion in the Arabic, Persian and Urdu``

.......... i don`t think so !......... i think people who are pigment challenged are referred to as bengali or madrasi - haven`t you heard people say, ``sala, bilkul madrasi ki tara kala hai `` or ``larki waisey tau dekhaney mein theek hai, per rang bengalion ki tarah hai`` ? .......... sometimes people who have not been blessed by god with a fair skin are also compared to biharis and, if they have rather homely features in addition to being on the dark side, they are called degarians - as in, from dg khan .............

................ it is sad, but true, that god was not at his aesthetic best when he made the people from the subcontinent and must have been in a real foul mood when he turned his attention to africa ...... of course, hazrat bilal is an exception ..........

Re: # 209
I think your in some serious inferiority complex.

Firstly, what is colloquial and what it the official word are two different things. Ok? Casually we might say that boy as black a bengali, or even call me a bengali :P Or some of our pakhtoon/pashtoon brethern are as fair as the next north European person, possible the same hair colour and you cant even differentiate between them.

Secondly, there are alot of scientific benefits in the pigment of this region. Well, most of them I am myself unaware of, but to get you thinking, the darker the pigment, the less it is viable of getting skin cancer. Secondly, sun burns are an oddity here, we the darker ones are immune to sunburns until and unless your skin is sensitive due to lack of exposure. The dark skin encourages heat absorbstion and sweating. Sweating is one of most effective ways of getting cool in the heat, and discharging the hazardous urea, and nitrogen in your system. Which, the people of cooler areas cant do much about, and the other mode is the only good way to get those things out and away. But how would they do that? They dont feel thirsty coz of the cool weather. The dont drink much water, instead resort to colas and synthetic drinks that are yet another hazard to the human body. There are many things that we dotn count in our benefit, that we should!

Mr. Hadim, God was not angry or pissed when he create our type! We was just thinking in future, probably with respect to Global Warming?!!?

Re: # 203

shishapa,

sorry, but i think habashi comes from multan - as in ``habashi halwa`` .....

blondes must be beautiful ..........

........... has anyone else noticed how many pakistani women are bleaching their hair blonde or dyeing it red ? ............. mrs hamidm tells me that some are even getting skin peels and finally, after centuries of natural living, are beginning to shave their legs too ................. what the heck is going on ? ..........

............. is tony berlusconi right after all ? ......is western civilization going to sweep everything away ?.............. are echoboom and urstruly doomed to drown in this flood which was not predicted in the old, new or newer testaments ?............ why are iranian women showing more hair and revealing their feminine charms by wearing figure-hugging coats ?..............

............. who needs an alternative ``muslim`` identity when eventually we will all be westernized even though we can`t be white .........................

tahmed,

...... on her first trip to america my mother-in-law, a hindoo convert from jullunder who a has a rather overly wheatish complexion, would look at the african americans - habashis, she called them - shake her head, cluck her tongue and say , `` becharay buhat hee kalay hain, allah ta`allah nain in kay sath kitna zulum kiya hai ``.........

....... now, how can you argue with that kind of logic .............

Re: # 201
LOL, xD xD xD ...

Well, identifying with a particular race has some benefits and loses too. So feel free to call yourself what ever u feel comfortable with. I have seen people who are fairly wheatish, and they are very much into the African-American community, even having origins somewhere else. Coz its the colour of you skin that one sees before looking at your biodata. So being fair does pay off, and being dark complexioned does too.

Then if u considering it broken down into parts, the second part might be the way you talk. Your accent says alot about ur background.

Its basically what we want to achieve that moulds out overall outlook. I have seen Pakistani girls, scorched black by the Karachi sun, sandblasted by Multani mitti, and daily walks to the university or college, site entire 2 to 5 months in their homes, applying fair and lovely, just to look more beautiful and pretty. Other words might be indecent. But the point being what they wanted to achieve was a good, wealthy spouse of a well-off and affluent family. With similar or better attributes.

Taboos will remain taboos. More later...

hamidm: so was kansi. :-) i saw his ``wanted`` picture on a post office wall back then (when he had just run away after his killing spree), and they had his race down as white too.

I didnt know you were so easily thrilled (i.e. in being classified as white). Talk about being ``race conscious``. Desis are the most color conscious people on earth I think.

i am white ..................

.............. my eighteen year old daughter was thrilled when she recently got her first traffic ticket ......... as somone who would have graduated from high school without a single detention if she hadn`t been caught without her jacket in the hall in the last week of school, it was a big achievement for her - an affirmation of her wild and dangerous life style ............. but more than the thrill of being chased by the police at forty miles an hour, she was absolutely delighted that he put a little ``w`` in the race box ......... i didn`t know that they had a race box even though i collect tickets with jihadi zeal, but it seems that they do, and the policeman, not knowing how to classify a brown person with straight hair, decided my daughter was white .............

............ and she agrees ......she felt redeemed, exonerated and honored because many of her desi friends accuse her of being a cocunut , a white-wannabe who listens to indie music instead of rap, and hangs out with gay guys in turtle neck sweaters instead of chasing pimply msa billy goats with scraggly beards, gel in their hair and nihari on their breath .............

............. her identity crisis is over and the traffic ticket is prominently posted on the fridge along with her solitary detention ticket ..............



p.s. but my identity crisis continues ..........yesterday at the airport, this nice young lady scrutinized my passport carefully, poring over the pakistani visa and looking suspiciously at my saddamesque moustache ...... `` how long have you lived in the us``..... ``thirty years,`` i said, adding on a few years for dramatic effect ..........with a sheepish, almost apologetic grin, the young lady swiped my passport and said, ``welcome home``.......... it was okay, but i wish i was white too ............

hamidm2, # 199

Hamid - the more you open your mouth the more insecure and less intelligent you appear. Now, thanks to your “proud” post, we know that you are suffering from a deep inferiority complex. This is quite sad for someone as intelligent as you have convinced yourself to be.

PS: I’ve also gotten a traffic ticket (actually, multiple times) identifying me as “white.” Instead of proudly framing it and hanging it in the foyer as you’d have done it, I laughed at it and threw it away (after paying it, of course.) A Pakistani friend put that in perspective for me when I told him that. “That cop must be blind,” he said.

Laanat-ullah #195

froths his hatred and intolerance

in the language he condemns



insecurista abul-hates!

..... fejoada and caipirinha is muslim food ? ...........


.......... abdul is a good muslim even though he was born and raised in brazil and has never been to mecca or lebanon, the land from where his grandparents emigrated ... .......... at lunch, when they put out these wonderful looking tenderloin medallions wrapped in bacon, he passed them up and settled for plain old black beans and rice ........ ``i don`t do pork``, he said, as he picked out the pieces of bacon from the beans ......... ``neither do i, `` i said, as i carefully proceeded to unwrap the beef before stacking it up on my plate - honestly speaking, i have nothing against the poor pig, but i didn`t want to offend my host ..........

............... so i was a little surprised when he said, ``tomorrow we must have fejoada for lunch before you leave for the airport - i will take you to the best place in town where they also make the meanest caipirinha`` .......... good to his word he took me to this elegant restaurant where, after a long and animated discussion with the waiter in portugese, he informed me that he had ordered the ``traditional`` fejoada ........ ...i know that fejoada is beans and pork and godknowswhatnot cooked over a slow fire for at least twenty four hours, but i had never heard of this traditional variety ......``it has pig`s ears, tongue, tail and ears along with sausage and rib meat - it is what real brazilian`s eat``............. he was right - it was delicious, as were the caipirinhas ! ............

.......... i didn`t have to ask him how he could he eat the fejoada when he didn`t ``do`` pork - i know he is a real brazilian ...........

Pre-Islamic tribal ( kufr) practices are still alive under the fancy names of ``tradition`` and ``heritage`` [ MoenjoDero & HaRRappa syndrome of the westernised scum]. The NGO`s are eager to take the muslims back to pre-Islamic kufr days and are using Mukhtar-mai
as a mascot to drum up support to do away with the lashes & hanging for such heinous crimes.

They very much want to encourage Haraamkaari & ``tolerant`` society so that their
agenda to ``Open-up-the oriffices`` is implemented.

Never ever! will it be allowed to happen.

Iran was going through similar ``events`` before the Shah was shoved to the dustbin of secularism. A similar case where the Shah was trying to save American thUggs against his own & wanted the criminals to be whisked out of the country to please his secularist Masters.


It must never ever be lost sight of that none of the KanjaRR NGO`s were part of the action , until a grant of $8000 was received from Canada to create an anti-Islam ``story``.
It backfired. It was a MULLAH who put his life on line & encouraged her to speak & himself spoke about it in his Khutbaas. IT was a SHARIAT court which convicted the animals but it was a SECULAR court which set 8 free; and the High court which set ALL free.

The rapist are english-educated, high-ups, landed ``gentry, Cantonement/civil-line kuttaas, westernised-scum, margarine muslims, merlot-munafiques--just like some dogooders here. Never any MULLAHS, always Ba Ba Blacksheep. Even Benazir`s best friend, while she was PM, was raped by a Ba Ba Blacksheep--Zilch happened. Tariq Ali, the commie`s, `honour` never stirred. She was related to him ( I think thru Shaukat Hayat). He was busy doing his do-gooding in a western way.

And here the Khusraa-KanjarRR is crowing as if he has sighted the christmas moon.

The excitement now of the KanjaRRs and Khusraa Pakistanis is understandible. The maalik called! The chanting of ``Meray Maalik bulaa loa Washington mujhhay`` worked.

No wonder Nilofer Bakhtiar called in parliament that these (Asma Jahangir) NGO`s are always looking for any opportunity to be with their ``John & Johnny walkers````--well said Nilofer--you sound like my twin. JazaakAllah!



from:
www.mukhtarmai.com
When the local imam, or Islamic cleric, heard of what had happened to Mai, he used his position at the pulpit to speak out against the injustice that had been done and to call for Mai`s condemners and attackers to be brought to trial before a civil court. The balance of political power that had once favored the attackers was slowly beginning to shift. The imam encouraged Mai to file an official complaint with the police. Mai filed the complaint, which was at first ignored.

She did not give up. Her attackers had assumed she would be too ashamed to reveal what had happened, but with the assistance of her friends and the imam, she got word out to the local and international media. In a post-9/11 world where the Pakistani government was eager to prove that it was on the side of law and order, this media attention was enough to shame the civil authorities into action. The tribal elders and the volunteer rapists were brought to trial; six were sentenced to hang.


ai and her family were pleased with the verdict, not only because it represented justice for Mai, but because they felt it would help to break the authority of panchiat courts and discourage the practice of karo kari rapes.
``God has provided justice to me,`` Mai told reporters at the time. ``If more courts start giving decisions like this, I am sure that rapes will be reduced, if not stopped totally. I am satisfied with the decision.``


As part of the settlement, Mai was given the equivalent of about $8,000 in compensation - a very large sum in rural Pakistan. Perhaps fearing that Pakistan`s reputation would be hurt further if Mai were to suffer any retribution in her village, the government also offered to buy her a home in cosmopolitan Islamabad, where she would live a life of relative luxury in a place where no one knew anything about her past.

Mai declined those offers. Instead of leaving, she took the $8,000 and used it to start a school for girls in Meerwala, the village`s first. At this school, Mai and her friends work to provide young girls with the knowledge and understanding that will give them more power in the world, more awareness of their rights, and more dignity to fall back on when those rights are challenged.