Zehra Rizvi June 19, 2005
#177 Posted by Naqshbandi on June 22, 2005 2:29:34 am
Re: # 35
Zehra. That is fine but please don`t throw the baby out with the bathwater; and don`t hide the Shia idealism aspect of your faith: flaunt it. I have some differences with the Shia on theological issues but Iran is a land that all Muslims can be proud of. It is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world today--it is not a slave of Amrikan diktats. Which aspects btw do you like of your Shia faith? I`d be interested in exploring this. If not on here than please email me!
Asif
Zehra. That is fine but please don`t throw the baby out with the bathwater; and don`t hide the Shia idealism aspect of your faith: flaunt it. I have some differences with the Shia on theological issues but Iran is a land that all Muslims can be proud of. It is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world today--it is not a slave of Amrikan diktats. Which aspects btw do you like of your Shia faith? I`d be interested in exploring this. If not on here than please email me!
Asif
#178 Posted by harish_hyd on June 22, 2005 3:22:16 am
#177 by Naqshbandi
[I have some differences with the Shia on theological issues but Iran is a land that all Muslims can be proud of. It is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world today--it is not a slave of Amrikan diktats.]
Ah! How the times have changed! A Sunni Muslim claims he is proud of the Shia (and so apostate) nation Iran and claims Muslims are proud of her, all because she has defied America. Once there are other free Sunni nations he can flaunt as examples for the Muslim world to emulate, he will be back to lynching Shias for the very same `theological differences`.
[I have some differences with the Shia on theological issues but Iran is a land that all Muslims can be proud of. It is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world today--it is not a slave of Amrikan diktats.]
Ah! How the times have changed! A Sunni Muslim claims he is proud of the Shia (and so apostate) nation Iran and claims Muslims are proud of her, all because she has defied America. Once there are other free Sunni nations he can flaunt as examples for the Muslim world to emulate, he will be back to lynching Shias for the very same `theological differences`.
#179 Posted by ana on June 22, 2005 6:38:18 am
iran is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world?!
the altering realities here are simply fascinating.
the altering realities here are simply fascinating.
#180 Posted by KaalChakra on June 22, 2005 7:27:45 am
harish_hyd
Theories that make external defiance the primary human concern must turn internal lynching into an obligation.
Nameless
Keep Shankarji`s bhang near you, and bliss shall not be too far :)
But seriously, at a point, science merges with mysticism, though never with what people traditionally believe to be `religion.`
Theories that make external defiance the primary human concern must turn internal lynching into an obligation.
Nameless
Keep Shankarji`s bhang near you, and bliss shall not be too far :)
But seriously, at a point, science merges with mysticism, though never with what people traditionally believe to be `religion.`
#181 Posted by Dash_Dot on June 22, 2005 7:40:12 am
#180 wheel of time shankarji`s bhang....naaahh! being on chowk and the whiff of decent afghani seeping trhough ts portals are good enuf.
that aside : again it is what people want to believe....if they believe there is a god then THERE IS A GOD. If they dont then there is no god. It doesnot matter.....its always the case of we all go back to the old soup. ashes to ashes and dust to dust thing.
Theories that make external defiance the primary human concern must turn internal lynching into an obligation.
care to expand on this. This is way too aphoric. soul searching ( a form of internal lynching) and all that....
that aside : again it is what people want to believe....if they believe there is a god then THERE IS A GOD. If they dont then there is no god. It doesnot matter.....its always the case of we all go back to the old soup. ashes to ashes and dust to dust thing.
Theories that make external defiance the primary human concern must turn internal lynching into an obligation.
care to expand on this. This is way too aphoric. soul searching ( a form of internal lynching) and all that....
#182 Posted by _digit on June 22, 2005 7:41:34 am
ana,
``iran is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world?!``
...as in free from hegemony...not as in personal liberties ``free``...and actually, it must be said that it perhaps has the most vibrant political culture in any Muslim state.
``iran is one of the only free lands in the Muslim world?!``
...as in free from hegemony...not as in personal liberties ``free``...and actually, it must be said that it perhaps has the most vibrant political culture in any Muslim state.
#183 Posted by _digit on June 22, 2005 8:21:06 am
ShoreSahib,
``I am a Muslim, an American and I wholeheartedly opposed the War in Iraq.``
You know, we in the West do like to tow this line...now I`ll ignore for a sec that I`m Canadian...but really, who are we kidding? The bottom line is you ARE supporting the war in Iraq, like it or not. Your moral stance may reflect the fact that you`re a ``nice guy``, but ultimately means squat.
I choose to be perpetually pissed off at myself for this...well okay, maybe only some of the time. But come on, convincing ourselves that it`s all good....who are we kidding?
Well...whatever makes your stay more comfortable I guess...
``I am a Muslim, an American and I wholeheartedly opposed the War in Iraq.``
You know, we in the West do like to tow this line...now I`ll ignore for a sec that I`m Canadian...but really, who are we kidding? The bottom line is you ARE supporting the war in Iraq, like it or not. Your moral stance may reflect the fact that you`re a ``nice guy``, but ultimately means squat.
I choose to be perpetually pissed off at myself for this...well okay, maybe only some of the time. But come on, convincing ourselves that it`s all good....who are we kidding?
Well...whatever makes your stay more comfortable I guess...
#184 Posted by temporal on June 22, 2005 8:21:54 am
folks thank you and keep writing, pledging and working to dismantle the verstiges of the army-mullah nexus in pakistan
a very small victory for the righteous
a big defeat for abdul-hate`s regressionary tactcis
Mukhtaran free to travel: US
WASHINGTON, June 21: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice secured a personal pledge from Pakistan that Mukhtaran Mai will be allowed to visit the United States, officials said on Tuesday.
a very small victory for the righteous
a big defeat for abdul-hate`s regressionary tactcis
Mukhtaran free to travel: US
WASHINGTON, June 21: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice secured a personal pledge from Pakistan that Mukhtaran Mai will be allowed to visit the United States, officials said on Tuesday.
#186 Posted by tahmed32 on June 22, 2005 8:43:46 am
three cheers for condi rice. and for mukhtaran mai.
#187 Posted by temporal on June 22, 2005 8:50:53 am
#185:
not so fast bud
i did not do it
this was brought about by hundreds and thousands of concerned pakistanis and their friends by their dedicated and relentless pursuit of justice
not so fast bud
i did not do it
this was brought about by hundreds and thousands of concerned pakistanis and their friends by their dedicated and relentless pursuit of justice
#188 Posted by tahmed32 on June 22, 2005 9:10:59 am
t #187 dont try to pull a fast one. you have a special ``in`` with Condi Rice. :-)
#189 Posted by iron_mask on June 22, 2005 9:18:45 am
#184 T-man you pulled it off (ofcourse along with others ;-) ), now it is time to make best us of this opportunity. Well done.
#190 Posted by echoboom on June 22, 2005 9:51:17 am
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#191 Posted by BeeJay on June 22, 2005 9:53:02 am
Zehra,
Sorry I could not comment on this earlier! Been away.
Thanks for this very personal and very heart-felt narrative! I don’t agree that one needs to identify with any particular group to establish any kind of religious identity, which essentially is (and ought to remain) a personal issue, but you have every right to state your mind on issues and pursue what you wish to. That FREEDOM is essentially what defines an American. Please keep up your overall focus and good work!
Notes:
[It does confirm as the whole world knows, Americans are far and by large, idiots.]
I guess that would include me (no new information there). But YOU too?
#6 by scout
I agree.
#9 by miriamk
Zehra, pay no attention to this interactor. She has a track record of being on all sides of all issues.
#15 by ana
[…i thought i had more to say, but my tummy`s rumbing]
At least SOMEBODY around here has got her priorities right!
#29 by kaalchakra
[…Someone should figure out (they must already have) why some people almost relish the constant enrichment of their identities, while others dread its very prospect.]
Kaal, NOBODY dreads the prospect of an enrichment of identity, especially of the material variety!
#42 by scout
Totally disagree with you on this one! U.S. voters make a choice based on what is available overall and not based on a single issue, like most of the chowk crowd.
#60 by ana
[…as usual i express myself badly on a monday morning on an empty stomach, ..]
Absolutely! I know exactly how you feel!
#63 by ana
[…or does he eat his own not so fruity TuTTi. ]
Food does have a way of forcing its way into our thought processes!
#122 by miriamk
[…. i notice as i write this that tahmed32 sums it up quite nicely in his post #121.]
Birds of a feather! I KNEW it!
#123 by temporal
[...aik bay naam o nishaan qab`r...a speck of dust on the vast shoreline!...here today, gone tomorrow...kahani khat`m]
Hence the name!
#171 by sajal
Good points!
#192 Posted by temporal on June 22, 2005 10:31:55 am
Laanat-ullah #190
froths his hatred and intolerance
in the language he condemns
insecurista abul-hates!
froths his hatred and intolerance
in the language he condemns
insecurista abul-hates!
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