Communal Stereotyping in Bollywood Movies

Continuing with my `theme` that all this harangue about caste is injurious to one`s health, check out a comprehensive set of pics of Delhi....a picture is worth a thousand words......


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=176678


Ultimately we`re gonna end up where we came from.....dust to dust, ashes to ashes......so , why bother?

The evolution of Indian movies from ``Ramu chacha bitiya bhaag gayee`` to ``haramzado, kutto, Pakistanio`` is pretty phenomenal.

#140...
this is a fact, there has been a solid migratory trend..to top it.. some of the biharis are actually bangla-deshis pretending to be biharis...the ones you guys got-rid of ..

Jang ``mr dyno.. in 20 years, biharis will be the majority panjabi in indian panjab``

haha...and you think the people who fought the Mughal, Afghan and British empires to defend their rights are going to stand by and watch their country colonized by Bhayahland??? .



``you believe ``others`` screwed the gullible panjabis, no greed on their part whatsoever.``

Actually it was Dr. Lokraj who expressed that opinion and I agreed with it to some extent.

mr dyno.. in 20 years, biharis will be the majority panjabi in indian panjab. you believe ``others`` screwed the gullible panjabis, no greed on their part whatsoever. if that keeps you comfortable and peaceful no problem. however, incoerrectly resolved issues would tend to errupt again due to existing fundamental conditions. so peace.

drlokraj #135,
``Agreed 100%.And this was all started by non Punjabis.``
Yup, kill each other like madmen and then blame non-Punjabis for that.

kaurasach:

I have a feeling that you equate khatris with bhapas; Nanda, Sethi, Puri, Bhatia, Arora are all khatri names. Bhapa, as you know, is a term West Panjabi Hindus and Sikhs used for older brother) and I suspect this is how this term originated in the post-partition days.

dionysus:
Once again, you misunderstood. I said pro-hindu and pro-sikh but I could also have added pro-muslim. Culturally, too, I am equally comfortable in mulsim, hindu and sikh cultures as should perhaps be clear from my posts.

I agree with the rest of your post.

Re: # 135 lokraj ``Agreed 100%.And this was all started by non Punjabis. ``

It was but when one section of Punjab, the Punjabi Hindus, became more loyal to religion than blood - a situation that still exists today - it was inevitable.

Re: # 131
``I agree. I also believe it is tragic that Punjabis ended up fighting over religion when we all, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus, are of the same Punjabi Hindu stock.``

Agreed 100%.And this was all started by non Punjabis.

Most original cities and towns in Punjab (including the Sivaliks) were named after or developed and established by Rajputs - most of them migrated from Rajputana as adventurors and conquerors.

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Another rule of thumb (there are exceptions) I use is if there is lot of overlap of last name between Hindus and sikhs, chances are they are bhapas.

Nanda, Sethi, Puri, Bhatia, Arora etc. The Bhapas are fairly rich. Mohalla Sethian is still famous in (peshawar or pindi - i forget).

That brings another interesting question, WHAT about muslim `bhapa` like Najam Sethi (The Friday Times publisher)?

Bhatias are ``Bhatra`` - A few days back I read there are ``Bhatra`` from Rajasathan. It is all BIG mumbo jumbo. A tribe that does small time gypsy style trade and marry their girls very young.

130,

The STUPIDITY of it all. I used to wear a comfortabel `single` turban (5.5 m length of `vail` cloth). Everyone (including jutts) back then did. I was good at it. All of a sudden, ``Jutts`` and Jutt wannabes declared that single turbans are for Bhapas. ``Jutts`` should wear `double` or `bhoopi` (after Maharja Bhupinder Singh of Patiala) turban.

Friends and neighbors got me to buy 8 meters of heavy rubia. Nothing but perennial headache and `khrind` on the forehead and back of the head. The bhapas who wear this style at once are called jutts. The jutts who still wear the old single are called bhapas.

My uncle who wears the old single style is called a `bhapa`. His son wears that 8 meter ``aeroplane`` turban is called a jutt.

THANK GOD!! the vogue of 8m is over. People are reverting to double but small and light turbans.... like that younger Chhatwal wears. I think girls dig em. Girls pestered me to change to the smaller lighter materials.

IDIOTS!!

DM `` Sorry if I confused you. Being pro-hindu, pro-muslim or pro-sikh does not mean pro-hinduism, pro-sikhism or pro-islam.``

But why bring religon into it all in the high, holy, mystical, secular and democratic state of India? Patriotic Dutchmen don`t feel the need to be pro-Christian? Is this a tacit admission that India is a Hindu state after all?

#130 ``That is the reason, these sounds khali peepas like Dionysus make are absurd. ``

As I recall it, YOU were the one making castist farting sounds against Jatts. I NEVER make unprovoked attacks on people`s ethnicity or religion.


``It is dumb to keep on fighting over caste in Punjab, where there is too much greyarea - it is utter nonsense.....``

I agree. I also believe it is tragic that Punjabis ended up fighting over religion when we all, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus, are of the same Punjabi Hindu stock.

DM,

this is strange. see if you can shed some light.

ARORA s are bhapas. I read somewhere that Aroras (Rorray in pbi) are originally from Sindh. They fled the Islamic conquest and expansion in that area, and went to Punjab and established trade.

That is the reason, these sounds khali peepas like Dionysus make are absurd.

I have relatives who are from Jhang, Peshawar, and Pindi, - they are bhapas. One family is Bedi (Nanak`s gotra). They are Bhapas - GO FIGURE!!!!

The stupidity of it all.....Most people put starch in their turbans before partition. We are from Malwa, but my grand parents spent most of their lives in W Punjab. So, some relatives wear starched turbans. People at once call them `Bhapas`. They are farmers, and speak Malwai from Ludhiana and Ropar area - the furthest anyone can be from a Bhapa. IDIOTS!!

dionysus:

Sorry if I confused you. Being pro-hindu, pro-muslim or pro-sikh does not mean pro-hinduism, pro-sikhism or pro-islam. And one can be a cultural hindu, sikh or muslim without believing in the myths or mythologies associated with their faiths.

kaura:
Are there any bhapas from Sindh? The definition of bhapa seems to keep expanding. The earliest I knew, the term was restricted to Rawalpindi Sikhs. Now, I discover that I, too, am a bhapa.

This seems a good point for the following quotes from ``Ancient indian social history` by Romila Thapar.

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In the Punjab the social stratification based on four-caste division presents its own problems. Brahmans rarely play a dominant role in the society of this region, the kshatriyas fade out after a while and the khatris who claim to be kshatriysas are invariably associated with professions more akin to the vaisya.
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Alexander`s initial route was from the Peshaware plains across the Doab - rich, fertile lands supporting monarchical kingdoms sich as those of Ambhi, Puru and Saubhuti and a relatively sophisticated culture. In contrast to this was the stark, primitive habitat of the Sibi in the Shorkot region. Further south, in the bari dowb the oligarchies of the Malava and Ksudraka presented a more cheerful picture. It seems that the lower doabs were not as prosperous as the upper doabs.
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It has been suggested that, at the end of the first and in the early half of the second millenia AD, there appears to have been a population movement with the Jats of Sind settling inthe Punjab mainly in the area between Chenab and Sutlej rivers, as also the watershed extending into easter Rajasthan and western Uttar pradesh. This was not merely a population movement for the jats were converted from pastoralism to agriculture; and crucial to the change was the technology of the persian water wheel.
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Much other interesting discussion including how the punjabi language developed from ``heterodox traditions, irrespective of whether they conform to Hindu or islamic traditions. The core of the religous traditions comes from groups of renouncers such as Nathpanthis, Bairagism, Sufis. The earlier group of renouncers, the Buddhists, had also been important in this region. The creation and diffusion of Punjabi language is also tied up with religous sects.``