Bina Shah May 24, 2005
#1 Posted by Zehra on May 24, 2005 10:32:17 am
hmm..
i guess, as an american, with no real respect for hollywood, i still dont really know what to say about this.
it was easy reading. u seem to know a lot about angelina so thats helpful.
the show cute assests doesnt really work.
why was she is pakistan and did she do anything while there? even if it was `touring` camps etc?
z.rizvi.
i guess, as an american, with no real respect for hollywood, i still dont really know what to say about this.
it was easy reading. u seem to know a lot about angelina so thats helpful.
the show cute assests doesnt really work.
why was she is pakistan and did she do anything while there? even if it was `touring` camps etc?
z.rizvi.
#2 Posted by ana on May 24, 2005 10:50:02 am
enlightening indeed. interesting satire on `journalists` and `actors`.
#4 Posted by Azure on May 24, 2005 11:03:35 am
Bina jee, are you jealous? She WAS looking very beautiful you know! ;-) Cool article.
#5 Posted by temporal on May 24, 2005 11:17:02 am
cc: u there
t: momento?
cc: read bs?
t: that nt fellow`s?
cc: no not that bs
t: phir kaunsi?
cc: bina shah
t: binoo?...nah ..let me check it out
cc: k..am here
(later)
t: shandy
cc: what is shandana got to do with this?
t: nothing
cc: then why you mentioned her?
t: hmmm...why?...perhaps there is a linkage somewhere...or the wires are crossed;)
cc: ah, you mean when bina shah writes on main page shandana follows soon
t: tum chalaak ho
cc: what do you think of angelina?
t: i don`t know much about her
cc: always obfuscating
t: always truthful
cc: chal jhootay
t: :) gtg
t: momento?
cc: read bs?
t: that nt fellow`s?
cc: no not that bs
t: phir kaunsi?
cc: bina shah
t: binoo?...nah ..let me check it out
cc: k..am here
(later)
t: shandy
cc: what is shandana got to do with this?
t: nothing
cc: then why you mentioned her?
t: hmmm...why?...perhaps there is a linkage somewhere...or the wires are crossed;)
cc: ah, you mean when bina shah writes on main page shandana follows soon
t: tum chalaak ho
cc: what do you think of angelina?
t: i don`t know much about her
cc: always obfuscating
t: always truthful
cc: chal jhootay
t: :) gtg
#6 Posted by b_banth on May 24, 2005 1:14:56 pm
Simple moral lesson from this article: ITS TIME OF ENLIGHTENED MODERATION, MUSHARRAF`S PROSPECTIVE.
#8 Posted by husnaangelique on May 24, 2005 3:36:02 pm
Bina u r hillarious !!
a few footnotes are in order:
Colin Farrell needs to go down to Walmart buy scissors and chippy chop those eyebrowse ...though he is cute they make the Guinness drinking Irish hunk look half-man half-ape
In satanist pursuits maybe you could have asked Jolie to ally herself with Marylin Manson and Ozzy Osbourne. Together they could devour rats and sell rat and bat blood on e-bay allowing MIT grads to breed a cross species of a novel kind.....
hang on that cross species would be Mr ``Showcute assets`` !!!
Ahhh to see the Mullahs hit the silver screens of Tinseltown after getting their green cards would surely turn Mr (Brad) Smith green with envy...
oh woody allen alas a script awaits you !!
a few footnotes are in order:
Colin Farrell needs to go down to Walmart buy scissors and chippy chop those eyebrowse ...though he is cute they make the Guinness drinking Irish hunk look half-man half-ape
In satanist pursuits maybe you could have asked Jolie to ally herself with Marylin Manson and Ozzy Osbourne. Together they could devour rats and sell rat and bat blood on e-bay allowing MIT grads to breed a cross species of a novel kind.....
hang on that cross species would be Mr ``Showcute assets`` !!!
Ahhh to see the Mullahs hit the silver screens of Tinseltown after getting their green cards would surely turn Mr (Brad) Smith green with envy...
oh woody allen alas a script awaits you !!
#9 Posted by nauman9 on May 24, 2005 7:01:50 pm
Bina Shah:
Good job.
It was easy on the eyes and easy on the mind.
We need more of that light stuff. It`s getting stuffy here on the chowk.
Regards
Nauman Nisar
Good job.
It was easy on the eyes and easy on the mind.
We need more of that light stuff. It`s getting stuffy here on the chowk.
Regards
Nauman Nisar
#10 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on May 24, 2005 9:07:30 pm
Gash, thats cool...Fanatical
guess what shaukat aziz was doing then???
guess what shaukat aziz was doing then???
#11 Posted by patwari on May 24, 2005 9:56:33 pm
Being light should not mean being corny...I think Bina Shah you should stick to to your usual style.
#13 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on May 25, 2005 1:48:11 am
bina isnt this more than a bit disingenuous --
#15 Posted by Saminasha on May 25, 2005 5:51:42 am
Say what you will, Jolie`s got more dap than most politicians and writers....she`s been meeting with various Muslim leaders for the last few months. And Bina, she seems a bit too stock starlet here...this actress/activist is a lot smarter than most people are comfortable with...
#16 Posted by ballukhan on May 25, 2005 6:40:32 am
what is this caricature about Angela Julie as a Vampire who wears the skin of her boyfriend and wears the vial full of her husband`s blood....that`s mean and bitchy!!!
BTW Is there something wrong in having film stars diverting the attention of our elites to some tragic facts of life???
BTW Is there something wrong in having film stars diverting the attention of our elites to some tragic facts of life???
#17 Posted by miriamk on May 25, 2005 8:13:31 am
“Handsome men and honor killings”. Sounds like something that should be on a travel brochure. It works on me every time...ahem. I don’t care what anyone says, I like Angie. She’s not just another pretty face that one!
#18 Posted by OzerKhalid on May 25, 2005 10:30:54 am
Miriam your comment:
“Handsome men and honor killings. Sounds like something that should be on a travel brochure. It works on me every time...ahem``.
I take the liberty of presuming you are referring to handsome men ? (LOL) ? And which seductive actors, after Woody Allen ofcourse, titillate your feline oestrogen ??
Methinks that this interview with AJ sounds deadlier than ghee-laden auntie jeeez on a head-long Bollydollywood collision course. Do you not ?
Miriam states `` She’s not just another pretty face that one!``
I totally concurr. Our resident feline vamp du jour, Angelina, can tomb raid me anytime. She is the most seductive vamp in the world !!! Followed ofcourse by the delectable Eva Mendes, Rosario Dawson, Catherine Zeta Jones, Vanessa Williams and the banks of Tyra herself !!
Back to Jolie Mademoiselle, she even managed to partially tame Collin Farrell himself....Brad Pitt will require more work. Hint hint Jennifer Annistonakis. Meeeaaaooww !!
But beyond that veneer of sultriness and vials of blood... ...whereas a lot of politicians are stringless puppets in the theatre of life, sometimes it takes a celebrity to hone a cause.
Witness Bob Geldoff and Bono Vox and how their efforts raised millions for Africa, no red tape, no fat cat bureaucrats just people wanting to tilt the balance of inequity. Im sure that Kylie Minogue will now trailblaze a cancer campaign in the footsteps of imperial bat-swinging Imran and star-studded Anastasia. Our resident park and police uniform loving George Michael and Magic Johnson have both unnearthed laudable funds for HIV victims.
Not all stars are Britneyesque Jessica Simpsonettes. These showbiz kitten synthetic starlettes need to wear their corsettes and go save the world. They can do it a-la Tom Cruise Scientology style, Zen-Buddhist Richard Gearing or even a-la Kabala red-banding Madonnaesque.
Take your pick. The possibilities are infinite.
Time is less so.
“Handsome men and honor killings. Sounds like something that should be on a travel brochure. It works on me every time...ahem``.
I take the liberty of presuming you are referring to handsome men ? (LOL) ? And which seductive actors, after Woody Allen ofcourse, titillate your feline oestrogen ??
Methinks that this interview with AJ sounds deadlier than ghee-laden auntie jeeez on a head-long Bollydollywood collision course. Do you not ?
Miriam states `` She’s not just another pretty face that one!``
I totally concurr. Our resident feline vamp du jour, Angelina, can tomb raid me anytime. She is the most seductive vamp in the world !!! Followed ofcourse by the delectable Eva Mendes, Rosario Dawson, Catherine Zeta Jones, Vanessa Williams and the banks of Tyra herself !!
Back to Jolie Mademoiselle, she even managed to partially tame Collin Farrell himself....Brad Pitt will require more work. Hint hint Jennifer Annistonakis. Meeeaaaooww !!
But beyond that veneer of sultriness and vials of blood... ...whereas a lot of politicians are stringless puppets in the theatre of life, sometimes it takes a celebrity to hone a cause.
Witness Bob Geldoff and Bono Vox and how their efforts raised millions for Africa, no red tape, no fat cat bureaucrats just people wanting to tilt the balance of inequity. Im sure that Kylie Minogue will now trailblaze a cancer campaign in the footsteps of imperial bat-swinging Imran and star-studded Anastasia. Our resident park and police uniform loving George Michael and Magic Johnson have both unnearthed laudable funds for HIV victims.
Not all stars are Britneyesque Jessica Simpsonettes. These showbiz kitten synthetic starlettes need to wear their corsettes and go save the world. They can do it a-la Tom Cruise Scientology style, Zen-Buddhist Richard Gearing or even a-la Kabala red-banding Madonnaesque.
Take your pick. The possibilities are infinite.
Time is less so.
#31 Posted by globalpeace on May 29, 2005 2:23:58 pm
Re: # 29
I am guessing that by the Taliban, you are referring to Pakistani support for that motley crew. If you read recent history, the refugees were initially created by the Soviet Union`s interference with the politics of Afghanistan. The fault lies not with Pakistan, Iran, India or even Afghanistan. It lies with the Soviet Union which sent 80,000 troops to support it`s puppet regime. The fault lies with the USA which financed the mujahadin, only because of the possible threat to oil supplies. Of course, with history being rewritten in several parts of the world at the moment, it is easy for impassioned accusations to be made (witness the rise of revisionism in ``Indian history``).
On a related note, although UmerMurtaza could have put it a little more politely, I agree with the point about Pakistan being a refuge. Often Pakistan has been accused of doing little for the refugees, but the critics themselves offer the usual ``international aid`` and words of comfort. Their method of helping results in most money being diverted to corrupt officials and a little bit going to relief work. The refugees become addicted to foreign aid. It does not result in refugees regaining their previous lives. Imagine if Pakistan had indeed built superb facilities for these refugees. Imagine at war`s end, would any refugee want to return to their shattered homeland? Of course not, they would want to remain in comfort. However cruel this sounds, it is better that refugees return to their homeland and rebuild their lives, than to remain the pampered guests of another country.
Why is it expected that Pakistan should be a good-natured benefactor, when it`s own economy was struggling with other problems. Even at the best of times, many western nations have ambivalent attitudes towards refugees (witness the rise in hatred for ``asylum seekers`` in the UK). They can hardly expect another country to shoulder responsibility for their wars.
Pakistan did not start the war in Afghanistan, but once they had refugees, was it wrong to allow a militia to form with the original intention of regaining stability in Afghanistan. Should Pakistan have cracked down on the Taliban then and there? Certainly the Taliban became a force for evil but could that have been predicted? What difference is there between Pakistan supporting one militia and the USA eventually succouring another militia?
These kind of questions tend to be brushed under carpets by the very people who initiated these problems.
I am guessing that by the Taliban, you are referring to Pakistani support for that motley crew. If you read recent history, the refugees were initially created by the Soviet Union`s interference with the politics of Afghanistan. The fault lies not with Pakistan, Iran, India or even Afghanistan. It lies with the Soviet Union which sent 80,000 troops to support it`s puppet regime. The fault lies with the USA which financed the mujahadin, only because of the possible threat to oil supplies. Of course, with history being rewritten in several parts of the world at the moment, it is easy for impassioned accusations to be made (witness the rise of revisionism in ``Indian history``).
On a related note, although UmerMurtaza could have put it a little more politely, I agree with the point about Pakistan being a refuge. Often Pakistan has been accused of doing little for the refugees, but the critics themselves offer the usual ``international aid`` and words of comfort. Their method of helping results in most money being diverted to corrupt officials and a little bit going to relief work. The refugees become addicted to foreign aid. It does not result in refugees regaining their previous lives. Imagine if Pakistan had indeed built superb facilities for these refugees. Imagine at war`s end, would any refugee want to return to their shattered homeland? Of course not, they would want to remain in comfort. However cruel this sounds, it is better that refugees return to their homeland and rebuild their lives, than to remain the pampered guests of another country.
Why is it expected that Pakistan should be a good-natured benefactor, when it`s own economy was struggling with other problems. Even at the best of times, many western nations have ambivalent attitudes towards refugees (witness the rise in hatred for ``asylum seekers`` in the UK). They can hardly expect another country to shoulder responsibility for their wars.
Pakistan did not start the war in Afghanistan, but once they had refugees, was it wrong to allow a militia to form with the original intention of regaining stability in Afghanistan. Should Pakistan have cracked down on the Taliban then and there? Certainly the Taliban became a force for evil but could that have been predicted? What difference is there between Pakistan supporting one militia and the USA eventually succouring another militia?
These kind of questions tend to be brushed under carpets by the very people who initiated these problems.
#29 Posted by cayenne on May 27, 2005 6:57:49 pm
Re: # 21
Oye, drink a Pepsi and calm down.Just ask yourself who is responsible for the refugees ending up in pakistan and calmy digest the answers that will come to you if you`re someone who reads the news!!.Remember the Taliban??.Har har.
Oye, drink a Pepsi and calm down.Just ask yourself who is responsible for the refugees ending up in pakistan and calmy digest the answers that will come to you if you`re someone who reads the news!!.Remember the Taliban??.Har har.
#21 Posted by UmerMurtaza on May 26, 2005 1:26:28 am
Re: # 20
Are you a slave? Is it possible for you to outgrow yourself and stop being led by others` agenda? Is it possible for you to say, `Hey I`m an Indian, but that doesn`t mean I have to foam at the mouth every time Pakistan is mentioned. I`m an Indian but I don`t have to feel that pang of jealousy. Just because I am an Indian, when a good looking actress comes to Pakistan, I don’t have to stick Ashwariya up everyone`s bund. Just because some odd Westerner may praise the Pakistani people, I don’t have to bring LeT into the equation. Hey, I may be an Indian, but if some guy commits the true Original Sin of praising Pakistan’s improving economy, I don’t have to jump up and down like a tattu and start putting the person down.
Learn from the dogs. Even they have a personality.
Be a man...hell, be a woman. Just be yourself. Has any other country, with an exception to Iran, offered space to those refugees? Has India? You guys are 7 times bigger, a trillion times more populous and according to those who chart and read the stars, India is the next best thing since sliced bread.
Pakistan has, in whatever capacity, offered 3 MILLION refugees a space for over 25 years now!!! The result has been the Kalashnikov-drug culture. Yet the country has been hospitable enough to offer their Afghan brethren space. In that time, it not only has shared its space, it has shared its grain, its produce and I’m sure there are incidences of food shortages due to the refugee crisis.
This is Pakistan. Before you opened your mouth, did you ever bother thinking that this country doesn’t even look after its own? And yet you’re expecting for the refugees what exactly: free housing facilities? Double glazing in their mud brick abodes? A chauffeur driven donky cart? Perhaps a Mauritanian slave to hold your opium joint and another to place a crystalline rose petal on your tongue? A silk-whip threaded with gold to whip your wife into shape?
And what the hell was this:
‘Afghan men, women and children are abused by pakistanis often subjected to verbal abuse and humiliation.’
NO! really?!? That’s some awesome accusation. What did they call them: kutta, billi. bhosdi ka? Teri maan da samonsa? Teri pan da flooda? Teri tee da chhola? Was the above phoosy (a fart if you may) your trump card, that something-up-your- sleeve, your secret weapon? Yeah, I can feel the Pakistani UNHCR authorities quaking in their boots. Haha.
Umer M.
Are you a slave? Is it possible for you to outgrow yourself and stop being led by others` agenda? Is it possible for you to say, `Hey I`m an Indian, but that doesn`t mean I have to foam at the mouth every time Pakistan is mentioned. I`m an Indian but I don`t have to feel that pang of jealousy. Just because I am an Indian, when a good looking actress comes to Pakistan, I don’t have to stick Ashwariya up everyone`s bund. Just because some odd Westerner may praise the Pakistani people, I don’t have to bring LeT into the equation. Hey, I may be an Indian, but if some guy commits the true Original Sin of praising Pakistan’s improving economy, I don’t have to jump up and down like a tattu and start putting the person down.
Learn from the dogs. Even they have a personality.
Be a man...hell, be a woman. Just be yourself. Has any other country, with an exception to Iran, offered space to those refugees? Has India? You guys are 7 times bigger, a trillion times more populous and according to those who chart and read the stars, India is the next best thing since sliced bread.
Pakistan has, in whatever capacity, offered 3 MILLION refugees a space for over 25 years now!!! The result has been the Kalashnikov-drug culture. Yet the country has been hospitable enough to offer their Afghan brethren space. In that time, it not only has shared its space, it has shared its grain, its produce and I’m sure there are incidences of food shortages due to the refugee crisis.
This is Pakistan. Before you opened your mouth, did you ever bother thinking that this country doesn’t even look after its own? And yet you’re expecting for the refugees what exactly: free housing facilities? Double glazing in their mud brick abodes? A chauffeur driven donky cart? Perhaps a Mauritanian slave to hold your opium joint and another to place a crystalline rose petal on your tongue? A silk-whip threaded with gold to whip your wife into shape?
And what the hell was this:
‘Afghan men, women and children are abused by pakistanis often subjected to verbal abuse and humiliation.’
NO! really?!? That’s some awesome accusation. What did they call them: kutta, billi. bhosdi ka? Teri maan da samonsa? Teri pan da flooda? Teri tee da chhola? Was the above phoosy (a fart if you may) your trump card, that something-up-your- sleeve, your secret weapon? Yeah, I can feel the Pakistani UNHCR authorities quaking in their boots. Haha.
Umer M.
#20 Posted by cayenne on May 25, 2005 5:14:54 pm
The sole reason for this hedonistic witch turned angel of mercy`s visit to pakistan was due to the fact that there are more than three million Afghan refugees in pakistan, living in squalor in refugee camps.Afghan men, women and children are abused by pakistanis often subjected to verbal abuse and humiliation.And, that was the reason for Ms .Jolie to call on Aziz.To make light out of the suffering of the afghan refugees and to portray this visit as an affirmation by Ms.Jolie of pakistan as a nation is a perverse violation of the truth,by this author and many other paks on this site .
And, the truth is that this visit was intended to act as either a wake-up call or warning about the treatment of Afghan refugees in pakistan.This essay is in bad taste.
And, the truth is that this visit was intended to act as either a wake-up call or warning about the treatment of Afghan refugees in pakistan.This essay is in bad taste.
#22 Posted by ballukhan on May 26, 2005 2:22:22 am
``But beyond that veneer of sultriness and vials of blood... ...whereas a lot of politicians are stringless puppets in the theatre of life, sometimes it takes a celebrity to hone a cause.
Witness Bob Geldoff and Bono Vox and how their efforts raised millions for Africa, no red tape, no fat cat bureaucrats just people wanting to tilt the balance of inequity. Im sure that Kylie Minogue will now trailblaze a cancer campaign in the footsteps of imperial bat-swinging Imran and star-studded Anastasia. Our resident park and police uniform loving George Michael and Magic Johnson have both unnearthed laudable funds for HIV victims. ``
Well said........Gere came to India for HIV..........infact Amitabh and Shahrukh did great jobs for the polio program...............and Ash and others did pitch in for the eye donation program.......Yes it does feel bad and humiliating when some white man comes and tries to hold a mirror at the brown sahibs who claim to have done a great job in upholding their civilizations and religions...................................................let us admit that we are all $hit pots who cannot run a decent municipal service than mouthing profanities at others..........
Witness Bob Geldoff and Bono Vox and how their efforts raised millions for Africa, no red tape, no fat cat bureaucrats just people wanting to tilt the balance of inequity. Im sure that Kylie Minogue will now trailblaze a cancer campaign in the footsteps of imperial bat-swinging Imran and star-studded Anastasia. Our resident park and police uniform loving George Michael and Magic Johnson have both unnearthed laudable funds for HIV victims. ``
Well said........Gere came to India for HIV..........infact Amitabh and Shahrukh did great jobs for the polio program...............and Ash and others did pitch in for the eye donation program.......Yes it does feel bad and humiliating when some white man comes and tries to hold a mirror at the brown sahibs who claim to have done a great job in upholding their civilizations and religions...................................................let us admit that we are all $hit pots who cannot run a decent municipal service than mouthing profanities at others..........
#23 Posted by Bina_Shah on May 26, 2005 3:14:01 am
Oh it was just a bit of fun...keep your hair on peoples...
#26 Posted by thunder on May 26, 2005 1:02:18 pm
Re: # 25
Bina Shah you eagerly type ``But I do like to poke a bit of fun at celebrity culture and this was a statement to both the hijinks of celebrities as well as the journalists who worship them``
Do note that the abovementioned ``poking of fun`` tarrs most celebrities with the narrow brush for uncalled scepticism. It is this very intrusiveness and sarcasm by the paparazzi which bogged down Princess Diana to the Parisian bridge`s-end and nearly crippled the Posh-Becks marriage. It certainly did not help Shahrukh and Aishwarya.
I realise this article is being tongue-in-cheek, but other journalists get empowered by such poking fun and satire using it as an accomplice to veer toward what is known as ``gutter press`` slagging off any celeb in sight whilst also raising them to cult status.
Bina Shah you eagerly type ``But I do like to poke a bit of fun at celebrity culture and this was a statement to both the hijinks of celebrities as well as the journalists who worship them``
Do note that the abovementioned ``poking of fun`` tarrs most celebrities with the narrow brush for uncalled scepticism. It is this very intrusiveness and sarcasm by the paparazzi which bogged down Princess Diana to the Parisian bridge`s-end and nearly crippled the Posh-Becks marriage. It certainly did not help Shahrukh and Aishwarya.
I realise this article is being tongue-in-cheek, but other journalists get empowered by such poking fun and satire using it as an accomplice to veer toward what is known as ``gutter press`` slagging off any celeb in sight whilst also raising them to cult status.
#25 Posted by Bina_Shah on May 26, 2005 3:24:39 am
Haha seriously. Asking me if I`m jealous of Ms. Jolie is like asking if I like chocolate - personally I don`t think someone like me could even compete with the looks of Angelina. But I do like to poke a bit of fun at celebrity culture and this was a statement to both the hijinks of celebrities as well as the journalists who worship them. I do admire Angelina Jolie for coming and highlighting the situation of the Afghan refugees quite a lot, so no nard feelings either way - I hope.
#27 Posted by Succubus on May 26, 2005 4:52:09 pm
Bina, that was funny. enjoyed it, thoroughly.
Umer M, #21, You are hillarious!!!
Umer M, #21, You are hillarious!!!
#28 Posted by drlokraj on May 27, 2005 1:29:43 am
Very well written--congrats.
committing atrocities on innocent civilians of their os called enemy countries and then shedding crocodile tears is very old policy of the imperialists.After bombing Vietnam for years,they sent toys to their orphaned children and now similar tamaasha in Afghanistan.
Bina`s satire is to the point and exposes the wolves in sheeps` skins.
committing atrocities on innocent civilians of their os called enemy countries and then shedding crocodile tears is very old policy of the imperialists.After bombing Vietnam for years,they sent toys to their orphaned children and now similar tamaasha in Afghanistan.
Bina`s satire is to the point and exposes the wolves in sheeps` skins.
#30 Posted by smartsyco on May 29, 2005 12:50:14 pm
first of all i would like to congrats you.............you have done a great job........you asked some awesome question and i believe that you would hve mad her confuse aswell........and musharaf is handsome........laugh out loudly..................
well actually every person who takes step into politics deffinately a handsome guy....because he does a great job for himself...................mind it.......that democracy hit only for pakistan.........so don`t mind others.................i read your each and every article you come up everytime with different and nice topic.................keep it up!
well actually every person who takes step into politics deffinately a handsome guy....because he does a great job for himself...................mind it.......that democracy hit only for pakistan.........so don`t mind others.................i read your each and every article you come up everytime with different and nice topic.................keep it up!
#32 Posted by UmerMurtaza on May 29, 2005 3:25:15 pm
Cayanne,
Regarding the Afghan refugees, a few clarifications:
It started with the Soviet-Afghan war. Brezniev (sp?) himself quoted the CIA covertly supporting the pre-79 nascent mujahideen factions (6 months before the war) so that the puppet communist government in Afghanistan would collapse. This would force the Soviet military to step onto the Afghan soil and the Americans would have had their Bear trap set.
Also, because the Mujahideen used the villages as their hiding bases, the Soviets decided to bomb the shit out of those places so that the mujahideen would be flushed out. The resultant native villagers would flee to Pakistan and create the refugee burden. This move was intended to stop Pakistan from supporting the covert war. This, in around 1985, was responsible for the biggest wave of refugees.
During ’85, the process of Talibanisation had begun in the tribal belt but let’s not forget that the ‘2 bullets + 2 guns = 1 dead Russian’ textbooks were published in the States. The total cost of the project was 50 million dollars.
Then the dumb Mujahideen (89 – 92) decided to bomb each other which further worsened the situation and brought more Afghanis onto the Pak soil.
Then in 1994 the Taliban came to power (and believe it or not, the very first mission of the Taliban was supported by our very own Benazir).
The Taliban brought peace and stopped the gandu warlords fighting over little boys’ ani. But, being dumb and head-strong like they all are, power got to them and they changed for the worse.
And I believe Musharraf had told them on many occasions (prior to 9/11) to calm down in terms of their policies.
As for creation of Taliban, yes Pakistan had a BIG hand. Whether it’s wrong or right is one thing but Pakistan had to preserve its interest. There are bigger problems in this world and they are the hippy environmental issues but certain states refuse to bow down because it’s in their economical interests.
Just thought I’d get things in perspective for you.
Regarding the Afghan refugees, a few clarifications:
It started with the Soviet-Afghan war. Brezniev (sp?) himself quoted the CIA covertly supporting the pre-79 nascent mujahideen factions (6 months before the war) so that the puppet communist government in Afghanistan would collapse. This would force the Soviet military to step onto the Afghan soil and the Americans would have had their Bear trap set.
Also, because the Mujahideen used the villages as their hiding bases, the Soviets decided to bomb the shit out of those places so that the mujahideen would be flushed out. The resultant native villagers would flee to Pakistan and create the refugee burden. This move was intended to stop Pakistan from supporting the covert war. This, in around 1985, was responsible for the biggest wave of refugees.
During ’85, the process of Talibanisation had begun in the tribal belt but let’s not forget that the ‘2 bullets + 2 guns = 1 dead Russian’ textbooks were published in the States. The total cost of the project was 50 million dollars.
Then the dumb Mujahideen (89 – 92) decided to bomb each other which further worsened the situation and brought more Afghanis onto the Pak soil.
Then in 1994 the Taliban came to power (and believe it or not, the very first mission of the Taliban was supported by our very own Benazir).
The Taliban brought peace and stopped the gandu warlords fighting over little boys’ ani. But, being dumb and head-strong like they all are, power got to them and they changed for the worse.
And I believe Musharraf had told them on many occasions (prior to 9/11) to calm down in terms of their policies.
As for creation of Taliban, yes Pakistan had a BIG hand. Whether it’s wrong or right is one thing but Pakistan had to preserve its interest. There are bigger problems in this world and they are the hippy environmental issues but certain states refuse to bow down because it’s in their economical interests.
Just thought I’d get things in perspective for you.
#33 Posted by emullah on June 8, 2005 7:02:58 am
This is an imaginary interview why people are rolling up sleeves and getting into serious discussion about Taliban and politics. Give me a break!
#35 Posted by zero_tolerance on June 22, 2005 5:45:58 pm
Not even David Letterman or Jay Leno can beat this! Great Stuff, BS, Keep it up!
#36 Posted by LastOfTheBarbar on June 24, 2005 6:38:30 am
Pakistan didn`t support Taleban merely for self-interest. Involved also were religious convictions. That Punjabi brat, Mullah Ziaul-Haq once said to Selig Harrisson that Pakistan will integrate all Central Asia upto Aral under the flag of Islam.
#37 Posted by henna999 on September 6, 2006 3:21:58 am
Excellent piece, very well written!
Bina you captured the mockery in few words. Thums-up!
Bina you captured the mockery in few words. Thums-up!
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