The Book is also Just a Book

Re: # 134
Thanks for the moderate tone. I expected your posting to be blocked out by the even Pakistani Chowk!
But I disagree with your desperation as much as as with your extremism. I have faith that the presence of muslims like feozk and farzana will ultimately lead from Zia to Musharraf and then better!

FV:

``If it is mere paper and ink, then why protest against it?``

Of course, it was not, either to those who flushed it down the toilet or to those who were made to witness it. All desecrations, whether of the quran, babri masjid, or any other, are acts of humiliation, where the desecrator is saying, ``I am the victor and you are the vanquished. Main tumhari chhatee pur moong dalunga, kar lo jo karna hai!``

kulhari:
``Some while ago, an Afghan truck was captured in Pakistan loaded with Hollow Copies of Quran stuffed with Heroin. There were no protests for desecration of the Quran (for stuffing it with drugs) and there were no deaths. Why is that?``

I am no expert on sharia but I believe it puts a lot of emphasis on niyet or intent. The intent of the Afghan truck owner/driver was not to desecrate quran but to make a profit. He committed a crime but his intent was not to desecrate quran or to humiliate those to whom it is dear.
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ferok:
RE: 127

Sir ji, that is precisely what i was arguing for. It might have come off as i was putting on a criticism. :-)

Amreeki Flag in USA is another good example of how Republicans are trying to tap onto feelings of paranoia and fear among the public for their political gains.

Re: # 131 echo
//...Pakistani muslims, that they do not consider any hindu from India having worth or value...... You as a hindu...will be able to adjust your bearings right if you know this view of muslims & not the ``official``(KanjaRR) view...//

Thanks for the reminder :) But we know already - about the ``real`` paki views about hindus. I mean that`s hardly a secret.

#133 by Inquirer to echoboom
//...ITS YOUR KIND THAT PAKISTAN HAS TO LOSE...//

Wrong. Pakistan was made for people like Echoboom. Echoboom,Urstruly etc are the true inheritors of the pakistan and jinnah`s legacy.

jang,

``The afgan security forces are supporting re-buiding of a nation, providing security for road-bulding, hospital-building and other crews. ``

So what? The Taliban were also laying down fiber optic lines...oooo, ahhhh...is infrastructure all that impresses you?

Bottom line is that the so-called afghan security forces were a bigger bunch of Northern Alliance thugs. Mind you, they didn`t force their women to wear burqas....they just had a nasty perchance to gang rape them.

And then there`s this whole opium thing...

So no, an article on the afghani puppets wouldn`t be boring, it would be down right embarrassing.

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Re: # 131
Oh, yes. I did not complete.
ITS YOUR KIND THAT PAKISTAN HAS TO LOSE.

``...........What you fail to understand about the muslims, especially Pakistani muslims, that they do not consider any hindu from India having worth or value. A hindu, to a Pakistani muslim, is a former subject and who must be conquered ....... but you must accept that for a muslim ISAM is foremost, nay the only reason to live, nothing else is important--not even Pakistan. Muslims are not , repeat not, Earthworms. They love land ONLY if Islam is established there--till then it is always a ``meantime``...................``


There are enough of us out there who understand this mindset. The hijras, leftists, liberals, and other kanjars would like to castrate us too, and think and believe otherwise. The Trojan horses are arriving thru the tamashas of CBMs. BEWARE!

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re: Raw_Dust # 71

The point was not to compare oranges with apples, as you seem to have assumed.

You cannot praise the response of a secular individual and down play the response of a religious individual to an act, because one believes in the tangible and the other in an intangible truth. Even if one believes in an intangible truth and the other in a tangible truth, what matter is not the reality of the truth but perception of the truth to each individual, because to each individual what they believe in is the truth!

A secular person also has a herd mentality and instead of an after life; his or her religion is constitutionalism and his/her temple is the courts of justice. Both have their symbols and rituals.

There is nothing mythological about religion, because it is about a belief and you cannot prove or disprove a person`s belief or value system through a comparative analysis.

A constitution and the courts of justice are also rooted in a mythology of rights. Constitutionalism and justice is also a form of mythology because you chose to believe in it that it offers you a temporal sense of salvation.

Allow me to offer you analogy; it is like asking a person to prove that s/he loves his/her mother. Ask two people the same question, but the problem is how will you judge, who loves their mother more? How can you prove, with conviction, that a person loves their mother more than the other person? :)

Therefore, in my humble opinion, I would have to disagree with you because you cannot judge a person`s choice of a belief or value system based on your own set of believes and values. :)

Ciao

Re: # 127
It is a pity that neither you are, nor feel you are, the mainstream in Pakistan. That needs to change if Pakistan is to go ANYWHERE. Pakistan needs to repudiate the policies expounded by Jinnah subsequent to 1937 and revive his approaches to politics from 1910 to 1925.

Re: # 112
Haan, aapkii hindi par daad denaa to bhuul jii gayaa!

re: Raw_Dust

You wrote and I quote, ``Feroze Sahib will not give a flip if e.g., Indian BJP party stage a rally and burn Pakistani flag in Delhi``

The burning of a flag is a symbolic act of political protest. Indians, who might be burning a Pakistani flag are registering their protest against the government of Pakistan`s policies and such an act is not indicative of an Indian hostility towards the people of Pakistan per se. The act of burning a flag of a particular nation does not mean that the nation`s existence itself ends with the political arson of burning a flag.

In a rhetorical sense, when was the last time you gave a ``flip`` when the American flag was burned on the streets of Pakistan? If you can tolerate the burning of an American or an Indian or an Israeli flag in Pakistan, why cannot you tolerate the burning of a Pakistani flag?

The act of flag burning is reflective of the levels of tolerance within a society.

In other words, what is sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose!

Ciao

Re: # 103
Bahot Khuub!

re: FV # 112

Farzana, the Quran may talk about politics et al, but the fact is that it is a representative symbol of Islam and to the Muslims, in general, it does represent their values. The event maybe political, but it was given a religious color by the Muslims themselves. The Muslim world does have a tradition of seeing politics through a religious prism. Muslims have made the Quran into a very potent symbol of their religion by ritualizing its message and the Quran, as many have said on this interact thread, was a never a political manifesto. The Muslim world itself gives religious overtones to political acts, because it often uses religion to justify the excesses of its political intentions.


I agree, with you that the whole society need not react emotionally with one voice, but then again, most Muslim reactions are emotional, when Islam is concerned. You and I may have a very tolerant view of things, but you and I are not the mainstream of the Muslim opinion.

Ciao