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The Ultimate Betrayal

sajal javid May 26, 2005

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#1 Posted by winterpk on May 26, 2005 11:27:46 am
incest is a reality and every time somebody brings it to notice it is just as shocking as the first time. nicely done sajal...if only these horrid sins werent true!
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#378 Posted by qawali on June 27, 2005 3:27:11 pm
Re: # 2

The definition of ignorance is = ignore the truth.

I remember a book a classfellow showed me in Saudi Arabia, it was an urdu novel, on fine paper. It was like an X-Rated novel, though without pictures, it was very detailed about a man being sexually attracted to his daughters, and encouraged incest. If the British created Tableeghee Jamaat, and Jamaat-e-Islami, and made the Saud family the kings of Mecca, is it possible that the CIA was printing and distributing such materials, in order to destroy the morality of a society?

Wake up, before your own child gets raped
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#2 Posted by Urstruly on May 26, 2005 11:38:23 am

sounds like a white people story
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#4 Posted by Urstruly on May 26, 2005 12:16:11 pm
Re: # 3 t

you got me, you cantonment kutta
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#3 Posted by temporal on May 26, 2005 12:10:01 pm
sajil:

stories such as this gives the creeps...nice simple flowing style...:)


urstruly:

very canny observation!

in desi-land these things never happen!

true story: this was narrated to me by a participant...some local NGOs were doing the rounds in a village 30-40 miles from faisalabad...investigating incest cases...they found this girl...13years old...who described in details her father`s abuses...when the lady doctors asked her why she submitted to the abuses...did not report it to others her reply was `he is my father, our religion tells us to obey parents`

i trust you will take time to digest this and not come back with lame duck one liners or a cut n paste glorifying islamic renaissance or conversion or spread of islam in foreign lands or jails...also as a consideration will you inform echo/chusni and others in your tag team to stick to the subject of incest on this board? or will i be out of luck?

rgds

t
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#7 Posted by Urstruly on May 26, 2005 12:42:40 pm
Re: # 5

``lame``

Ok I admit/confess that about 90% of Muslim girls have slept with their fathers. Happy?
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#5 Posted by temporal on May 26, 2005 12:29:55 pm
#4:

lame
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#6 Posted by ShoreSahib on May 26, 2005 12:31:30 pm
Thank you Sajal!
You have highlighted the most taboo subjects in South Asian societies. I believe that only when South Asians speak out and about incest, can there be dialogue and awareness for a serious problem that plagues our society.

Your story reminded me of the narrative found in one of Syed Akbar Ahmed`s book, ``Rediscovering Islam`` where he describes the childhood incest experienced an Egyptian Muslim woman by her grandfather.

Your story has very good flow. The writing style is simple, yet articulate. Excellent choice of subject. Loved it!!
Please write more!
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#8 Posted by jang on May 26, 2005 12:44:58 pm
#7 why are you so defensive?
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#9 Posted by kaurasach on May 26, 2005 12:51:13 pm
This is what happens in closed (stagnated) societies. Everything happens but behind the ``purdah``. In the west, it is out in open - that is the ONLY difference.
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#10 Posted by miriamk on May 26, 2005 12:53:07 pm
Sajal:

This topic is simultaneously heart wrenching and heinous. I never know whether to scream in anger or weep in anguish.

Thanks for bringing this topic to the forefront! :)
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#11 Posted by shobig_sifar on May 26, 2005 4:17:33 pm
Depressing!

Adders eat their babies.
Man has got an extra appetence.
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#13 Posted by Urstruly on May 26, 2005 7:27:26 pm

Re: # 12 Saminashah

I really don`t understand the issue here. When I look at the issue of incest through the prism of your moral values I absolutely find no reason to feel that incest of a father with his daughter, regardless of her age, is offensive or inapproptriate in any shape or form. Please explain to me why it is a bad thing.

I can write a whole thesis on this issue expalining why based on my values I find incest morally and legally reprehensible but can you write one paragraph explaining why you feel ``disturbed`` judging it by your system of values?
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#12 Posted by Saminasha on May 26, 2005 5:08:24 pm
Urstruly,

Where`s the easy breezy veneer? That was some unexpected flash of fang...telling....

tbhai,

well done.

sajal,

``his hands drifted all over her body making her cringe with a revulsion she did not know how to even name.``

disturbing and well phrased.
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#14 Posted by temporal on May 26, 2005 10:07:36 pm
urstruly:

be a man for a change!

(man--does not mean a muslim--man here refers simply to a man a father...a son...a granpa)

and remeber the issue at hand is incest... i...n....c...e...s...t...
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#15 Posted by amrita on May 26, 2005 11:52:09 pm
sajal - what i really like about your writing is the sincerety. Well done!

urstruly - What has Samina ever said or done to make you believe that she approves of incest, especially child sexual abuse as in this story between a father and his pre-pubescent daughter/s?
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