anti-depressant

Amazing. Reminds me of my own piece of work.

http://chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00006048&channel=chaathouse&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1

Beautifully composed ...like the way you are opening

``Title is superb`` off and outcaste
just a little sharing after havingyours anit depressant
Butch and Fem dynamics are the core of beauty but only for those who could see... not for those who are blind... its about reunion and completness... complete with our other half which lies inside us but comes from outer world.

good work

Re: # 30
No need to educate her. I think that one should not put everything on a platter and educate those whochoose not to understand - let her find out more about it if she wants and let her do the work. In any case, I am sick of educating those who are not worth it, but this is my opinion. Hope Cairo is rocking with you there now! ;) go get `em girl!

Re: # 26

Heheh, you`ve never met a butch woman, have you? ;-) Here`s a picture (NOT worksafe at all):
http://www.playbutch.com/

Butch women not only have a distinctive gender performance, they often stand out biologically in that their face and bodies are very masculine (although this is not always necessarily the case). As such they face a lot of oppression in patriarchal society and they occupy a hazardously ambiguous place on the gender spectrum. They have their own issues and problems. It is very distinctive.

I`m not a straight guy, I`m a queer woman, and also genderqueer (a cross-dresser). You may want to take people from queer culture a bit more seriously.

Butch/femme is a separate subculture. Sociologically and anthropologically many studies have been conducted on identities in queer culture and they are held to be distinctive in many ways. For a detailed academic look at butch/femme roles (probably the best and most impartial one on the Internet) here is a paper by queer theorist Amy T. Goodloe:
``Lesbian Identity and the Politics of Butch/Femme Roles``
http://www.lesbian.org/amy/essays/bf-paper.html

Very detailed, but worth reading for any one interested in queer identities.

Of course I`m with you in that we are all mostly similar . . . I look for the common ground between different identities. But at the same time I accept and embrace diversity, and I seek unity *in diversity*.

Your critique of the poem aside -- those points can be taken as valid and constructive -- your dismissing it as having no point or nothing authentic about it was way off the mark. Criticism should be constructive.

Re: # 27
Saminasha,
Although, mosquitoes have my arm and leg at this late hour, I have taken a trip to your ilog. So what is that all about? ``Bluegaze done right`` ??

You know what? I am inebriated and all I can think about is how people relate to one another or maybe not. Life is f****** strange, but it is what it is.

Re: # 27
Saminasha,
``injured outrage`` what is that all about? You make it sound as if I should be apologetic about something, so I ask you what is it that I should be apologetic about? Nonetheless, I am enjoying this, this trip of yours. This too in the sweltering heat and mosquitos biting me at this late hour on what is it, Thursday night, I presume. What is interesting about all of this is how you won`t let go of it... why is that if i may ask. And what do you get out of writing these nonsensical one-liners? Say something of substance and you will have my attention. But so far you have proved to be nothing more than these miserable mosquitos biting my arms and legs..argh and get away or i will get a repellant so strong that you will never be seen or heard!! So get away and be gone! And again, what are you on anyway?

Bluegaze,

Injured outrage now....I`m sorry, but I find this becoming less and less credible with every interact.

Spirit,

Oh please....as if het women dont swagger themselves...your post sounds more like a straight guy trying to imagine 1. what het women think/do/are 2. what lesbian women think/do/are. Thats ultimately what gave both of you up....you operate on the notion of difference....

Bluegaze,

Injured outrage now....I`m sorry, but I find this becoming less and less credible with every interact.

Spirit,

Oh please....as if het women dont swagger themselves...your post sounds more like a straight guy trying to imagine 1. what het women think/do/are 2. what lesbian women think/do/are. Thats ultimately what gave both of you up....you operate on the notion of difference....

Re: # 24
Saminasha,
What in the hell are you on? I think that Spirit and myself have tried to explain in so many ways what this is all about, but perhaps you just don`t WANT to understand. What is it that you don`t understand, precisely? I wonder where you are based and what your exposure is to gay issues. What is pejorative about being called a ``dyke`` or ``butch`` if i am one and feel comfortable with it, what is your issue with it? Or are you just doing this for lack of anything better to do?
F.

Bluegaze,

In other words, you want to be able to use pejorative stereotypes, but shame on anyone who calls you on it?

Re: # 21
> spirit seems to assume that only glbt relationships are fraught with
> the dynamics of power struggle, gender fluidity
No, I did not say that. I said the poem is about butch/femme dynamics which are really very unique to lesbian culture and come with their own issues. The butch/femme relationship is very different from the heterosexual man/woman relationship, it`s a separate subculture with its own nuances. This is the part that is truly authentic and unique to this piece. The butch woman finds herself having to ``compete with a man`` -- there`s a dark irony underlying the ``your prince will come`` line here. The straight girl, I`m imagining, is totally fascinated with this woman, with the butch mystique -- the confident swagger, the sure-footing, the tilt of the head, maybe a smirk, the posturing, the soft curves and the strong arms exemplifying the contradictions of a butch woman`s singularity, the combination of roughness and sweetness, the gallant raunchiness in private moments (in old-school butch/femme roles, sexual pleasure is supposed to be focused on the femme). This is what the ``I don my butch self for you . . . / a sewn patch on your feminine suit`` part reminded me of. There`s something about butch masculinity (and it`s different from male masculinity) that even straight women would find attractive . . . but ultimately she still wants a man, hence the irony.

The rest is your subjective opinion that you`re entitled to of course.

Re: # 21
Well what can I say? I don`t want to defend my work, because I don`t think that it`s all that great, anyway. What is actually more interesting is what has come out regarding it in all the interacts. Of course that includes you too. Now, however adolescent my comments may seem or for that matter anything I say regarding my poem, I do think that a piece of creativity whether it is good or bad is at times just that. As a friend of mine once told me if you analyze a butterfly by dissecting it, it will actually ruin it. So, please let the piece i wrote stay as it is, after all it`s an expression of my creativity and to change it or to justify it will kill its importance for me. I am not looking to make it technically sound in any way. It`s raw and i like it like that not because it is well written but because it`s true. Be gentle with it.

Bluegaze,

I`m still not sure why you wont address that obviously misplaced line in this piece, but argue for words that are more adolescent boy than anything else....My comment about sending this piece to Reznor was tongue in cheek...check him, PJ Harvey, Bjork, Radiohead, or Tricky if you want to see it done right..

which brings me to my next point; dont rely on other people to do your work for you...in spirit `s comments ie spirit seems to assume that only glbt relationships are fraught with the dynamics of power struggle, gender fluidity...YOUR work actually is interesting in the first few lines, but quickly settles for rock cliches. Right at ``demon of sadness``, in fact. You start with the Velvet Underground and you end with arena rock....and I havent learned anything or have been startled by an AUTHENTIC revelation or insight...

At the worst, this could be running on the same mo of that french slasher Haute Tensione...which does the deed of denying and pathologizing female desire in a very convoluted manner....

Re: # 16
For a detailed response please see comments by Spiritofnow. Let me just say two things: 1. I did not ``complain`` about the editors, it was in my response to someone here that I mentioned what had happened.
2. Your comments are valid only because you have a right to your own opinion. I really don`t care whether people think that the piece I wrote is shitty or whatever. What matters is to be able to use creativity as a vent more than a commercial venture or for the sake of entertaining others. I hate being bound by traditional notions of writing. Whether the text has risen fully or not is subjective and will change from one person to the next, in any case. Funny thing is that your own opinion about this poem has changed from one interact to the next.
If you want to understand what is going on in the poem, Spiritofnow has explained it pretty well. You are no one to judge whether something is authentic or not, but let me say, this is coming out of personal experience. I relate to the word Butch, so it is my reality how can you tell me whether it is right or wrong?

Spiritofnow!!
Hey
Glad you joined! Thanks for the very detailed response to Saminasha. I could not have done it better myself.