Humeira Kazmi June 4, 2005
#26 Posted by winterpk on June 11, 2005 11:49:16 am
beejay & deja_who...these were real nice pointers!
i enjoyed what u said abt feeling sermonized and i agree but i didnt know how else to put it...my bad :P...anyway thanks for giving me something to work on :)
i enjoyed what u said abt feeling sermonized and i agree but i didnt know how else to put it...my bad :P...anyway thanks for giving me something to work on :)
#25 Posted by BeeJay on June 11, 2005 5:22:06 am
Dear Deja_who.
You are absolutely right again, of course (or should I say “it’s you all over again”)! Thanks for revealing the secret of a blissful life to me – I have been yearning for it since time immemorial, but alas, unable to find it until now – and how much have I looked! Like the old song goes, looking for IT in all the wrong places and too many faces! Finally, I seem to have at long last stumbled upon it, and it’s all thanks to you! And in the shadowy corners of the chowk, too! Who would have thought!
I knew that someday it WILL get revealed to me. I feel so thankful that I could die! However, following your advice – to follow my advice – to ignore myself – I think I will ignore that advice. I must also reluctantly confess that your advice is a very hard one to follow!
I hope that makes you feel better. Let’s not take the focus away from this nice article, though. Thanks.
#24 Posted by deja_who? on June 10, 2005 11:04:39 pm
Never pay any attention to any interactors who do not use their full name and instead use meaningless or abbreviated terms or just (real or made-up) initials!!!
By that token, you should ignore yourself. There! I just told you the secret of a blissful life !
By that token, you should ignore yourself. There! I just told you the secret of a blissful life !
#23 Posted by BeeJay on June 10, 2005 1:11:03 pm
Nadia:
Take it easy on the author. This work is not bad, as first pieces go! Any new writer should be encouraged, since (if truth be told) literature is not like math and any piece of work can always be improved (think back Nadia – think of the first piece of computer code that you wrote!! (Hint: Bugs? BUGS!!!)).
Disregard this deja_vu guy/gal.
Here is my rule of thumb.
Never pay any attention to any interactors who do not use their full name and instead use meaningless or abbreviated terms or just (real or made-up) initials!!!
Hmmm, that perhaps did not come out quite right!
Sincerely,
BeeJay.
#22 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on June 10, 2005 9:40:47 am
Mr. / Ms. Deja_Who?:
I think the message is rightly conveyed by me. This piece is not worth enough to consume any time on it as self explanatory it is speaking the state of mind of the ignorant Humeira Kazmi along with her flattering Jamaat.
Or you are lacking some muscles in your brain to interpret the flawed message wrapped in this incoherent piece of fiction.
You are most welcome to prove it a highly standered stuff by your shitty interacts & by using slang you cheapster and piece of shit & a DUM ASS....
I think the message is rightly conveyed by me. This piece is not worth enough to consume any time on it as self explanatory it is speaking the state of mind of the ignorant Humeira Kazmi along with her flattering Jamaat.
Or you are lacking some muscles in your brain to interpret the flawed message wrapped in this incoherent piece of fiction.
You are most welcome to prove it a highly standered stuff by your shitty interacts & by using slang you cheapster and piece of shit & a DUM ASS....
#21 Posted by deja_who? on June 10, 2005 9:02:57 am
A note to the author -
This is a good piece, I like the social comments it makes. However, it needs some work. A topic like this can be handled in two ways. One, you can write a long and serious article on people`s tendency to be pompous and how it negatively affects the society, how the poor are getting poorer while the reach are getting richer, etc. However, that would be a pretty boring piece. Also, it has been done.
Instead, you can follow the comedic angle of people flaunting their _inherited_ wealth and feeling superior solely because they happen to have a rich uncle / aunt / grandmother etc. That can be riotously funny and very biting satire.
Your piece, dear author, falls somewhere in between. IMO, you started out trying to write a satire, but then lost your way somewhere trying to be rather serious. This is a pitfall you should try to avoid next time. You do write well, only you need to organize the thought process a little better.
Cheers and good luck for your next literary venture!
This is a good piece, I like the social comments it makes. However, it needs some work. A topic like this can be handled in two ways. One, you can write a long and serious article on people`s tendency to be pompous and how it negatively affects the society, how the poor are getting poorer while the reach are getting richer, etc. However, that would be a pretty boring piece. Also, it has been done.
Instead, you can follow the comedic angle of people flaunting their _inherited_ wealth and feeling superior solely because they happen to have a rich uncle / aunt / grandmother etc. That can be riotously funny and very biting satire.
Your piece, dear author, falls somewhere in between. IMO, you started out trying to write a satire, but then lost your way somewhere trying to be rather serious. This is a pitfall you should try to avoid next time. You do write well, only you need to organize the thought process a little better.
Cheers and good luck for your next literary venture!
#20 Posted by deja_who? on June 10, 2005 8:48:15 am
A word to Nadia Zehra -
How much money do YOU have to pay to chowk-staff in order to get your ``english`` interacts published?
You say in #9 ``I still hold my grounds of pointing the loop-holes and the composure it is badly lacking and the worn out norms it is blindly stressing.``
I did not notice you pointing out any loopholes in the article. Nor do you explain what ``norms`` you think the article is ``blindly`` stressing. All you did was ask a snarky question, and when someone challenged you, you tried to wiggle your way out of explaining your post. Even in #9, where you do have the opportunity to explain your criticism, you did not. Instead you launched into a long-winded and incoherent defense of Islamabad.
If I feel sufficiently bored, I will analyse your #9 line by line and prove what a shitty writer you are.
How much money do YOU have to pay to chowk-staff in order to get your ``english`` interacts published?
You say in #9 ``I still hold my grounds of pointing the loop-holes and the composure it is badly lacking and the worn out norms it is blindly stressing.``
I did not notice you pointing out any loopholes in the article. Nor do you explain what ``norms`` you think the article is ``blindly`` stressing. All you did was ask a snarky question, and when someone challenged you, you tried to wiggle your way out of explaining your post. Even in #9, where you do have the opportunity to explain your criticism, you did not. Instead you launched into a long-winded and incoherent defense of Islamabad.
If I feel sufficiently bored, I will analyse your #9 line by line and prove what a shitty writer you are.
#19 Posted by BeeJay on June 10, 2005 3:33:49 am
First of all, I like this piece. It has been said that any conversation is a great success if ONE person is a good listener. It’s also true what you say about a “pompous mouth” not necessarily indicating a snobbish heart – people talk about what is close to them, and gives them a sense of some reassurance regarding the importance of their own roles in the scheme of things. In reality, most people are just LIKE US.
Just to make it more palatable - here are a few things I would have done differently with it (disclaimer: my background in creative writing is ZERO):
(1) avoid straight quotations (for example, right in the beginning, you could have given some more depth to that quotation from your ammi perhaps by building up a little even/scene of sorts in which she says it. That way, it would have retained its message longer.)
(2) Consider being a bit more descriptive of the characters. It would make them more real and interesting to me, the reader. (Since you were present at the conversation you see a lot more than we do, and some of the external details which evoke little interest in you can really “light up” somebody else’s curiosity.)
(3) I personally like the way you sum up your own thoughts at the end, but I can also see how it can leave one with the feeling of having just been sermonized to! Maybe there are more subtle ways of conveying it – perhaps in littler dosages throughout the body, instead of all at once in the end.
(4) Try to be more FUNNY!
#18 Posted by Jami on June 9, 2005 11:16:35 pm
Re: # 17
Somebody said for Chacha Ghalib and I am saying it for you
`` Hum sukhan fehm hain Ghalib key tarafdar naheen``
so do not bother and keep saying what you think is right, however one must be sincear in his thought and try to correct himself once proved that he is not right.
Somebody said for Chacha Ghalib and I am saying it for you
`` Hum sukhan fehm hain Ghalib key tarafdar naheen``
so do not bother and keep saying what you think is right, however one must be sincear in his thought and try to correct himself once proved that he is not right.
#16 Posted by Jami on June 8, 2005 12:11:07 pm
Re: # 12
once a politician asked the other that your father sells `PAKORAS` at a chowk he replied I am proud of him bcoz he was better then yours ``JO GOROUN KEY KUTTEY NEHLATA THAA``
i mean nothing by quoting this It is just a lighter part.
once a politician asked the other that your father sells `PAKORAS` at a chowk he replied I am proud of him bcoz he was better then yours ``JO GOROUN KEY KUTTEY NEHLATA THAA``
i mean nothing by quoting this It is just a lighter part.
#15 Posted by Jami on June 8, 2005 11:56:36 am
Very well defind problem, Mrs Kazimi in your support I have a small little incident of my very young age. a birthday party was on. Ladies were sitting. All old friends, except one Who had just married and joined her husband at Islamabad. Lady was wearing big ``CHAADAR`` and bcoz of that,all others were making fun of her by asking her funny questions. You studied from village, have you seen some big city prior to this. Last question was that have you attended some school. The reply was ``Gee Haan`` I have done my masters in Chemistry and I am a gold medalist, I also topped civil service exam this year and then there was very long silence afterword.
#14 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on June 6, 2005 10:32:49 am
I have been listening since childhood about proper khandans and khandanipun and it had always sounded illusive to me. The criteria of being a pure khandani person is to be an elite enjoying luxury bestowed by “unknown kind “ means. The memons of Karachi, the Ismailis of Karachi, I think they are hubs not in Islamabad as husnaangelique mentioned. And we proudly alloy the presence of 21 the most elite Pakistani Khandans since becoming of Pakistan which are getting added with time and are obscured.
Moreover how much times has changed the Mahavara which once used to show an intellectual impotency by Saada Loh wa Safaid Posh but with intellectually stable Khandans is now tamed with price.
“the fuller the pitcher, the lesser the noise.”...“Thota Chana baje Ghana”…”Khali bartan Kharakta hai”…used to be pointed towards a talkative person with shallow exsistantialism.
Moreover how much times has changed the Mahavara which once used to show an intellectual impotency by Saada Loh wa Safaid Posh but with intellectually stable Khandans is now tamed with price.
“the fuller the pitcher, the lesser the noise.”...“Thota Chana baje Ghana”…”Khali bartan Kharakta hai”…used to be pointed towards a talkative person with shallow exsistantialism.
#13 Posted by winterpk on June 6, 2005 7:44:53 am
hello readers,
i agree with husnaangelique. sadly this was the point of my piece which i failed to bring out properly.
as for Chowk`s rep...this is an open forum for novice writers who can hope to gather here to write, get better at the craft and create their own pool of readers. and i thank chowk editors for all the times they`ve been this generous to me.
this article may not be up to the mark but i`m no Banu Qudsiya either - not yet :)
one more thing, i didnt say the women i mentioned in my article were either housewives or rich desis` daughters. i said they were rich women who liked to show off their riches. in fact, most of them were working women with very promising careers.
anyway, i wont try to defend or explain my article any further as the piece should`ve been able to do that on its own.
take care,
Humeira
i agree with husnaangelique. sadly this was the point of my piece which i failed to bring out properly.
as for Chowk`s rep...this is an open forum for novice writers who can hope to gather here to write, get better at the craft and create their own pool of readers. and i thank chowk editors for all the times they`ve been this generous to me.
this article may not be up to the mark but i`m no Banu Qudsiya either - not yet :)
one more thing, i didnt say the women i mentioned in my article were either housewives or rich desis` daughters. i said they were rich women who liked to show off their riches. in fact, most of them were working women with very promising careers.
anyway, i wont try to defend or explain my article any further as the piece should`ve been able to do that on its own.
take care,
Humeira
#12 Posted by husnaangelique on June 6, 2005 5:45:09 am
Humeira Kazmi Nadia Zehra and Rozaiba:
I intend to be no Kofi Annan, but one common turf we all hold in common (hopefully): whether we are from Karachi, Islamabad, or Timbuktoo, ``nouveau riche`` people who acquire sudden wealth do not know how to behave with it. Humeira the people you speak of in your article reek the malodour of a perverse ``nouveau riche`` ineptitude.
Proper Khandans/Biradiris/maldaar families, which have existed for several generations, such as the Memons in Karachi, the Ismailis in Islamabad, the nawabs of Lucknow, the princes and princesses of Larkana, the Hyderabadi Khandans etc... do not need to advertise their wealth and are more discreet, therefore their conversation revolves not around price tags but more to the tune of holiday resorts, lifestyle, breed of horses, rarity of wine, caviar and the finer things in life.....
It is only the ``Yuppee wannabees`` that make sure they are wearing huge logos and have loud mouths to complement them. Humeira do make a distinction between proper khandans and ``wanna-bees``.
Nadia and Rozaiba:
Islamabad is a beautiful city yet it must be stressed: A lot of people from Islamabad are ``nouveau riche`` their ill-begotten means stem not from generational ``khandans`` but largely from a military beaurocracy. they have lined their pockets due to the men in badges. and they do not know how to behave with their money. therein comes in the one-upmanship nurtured by their willingness to go out of their way to prove they are ``cool`` including ofcourse the wife-swapping adultery in military messes
when all they really are is clowns.
Just to weave my argument one last time: make a clear demarcation between the refined sophisticated families who have worked generations for their money (not all of them are corrupt), and the socially inept tax-evading bribe-prone ``nouveau riche`` types who pretend to be ``Labradors`` when they are nothing but badly behaved puppies in search of ill-begotten bones.
I intend to be no Kofi Annan, but one common turf we all hold in common (hopefully): whether we are from Karachi, Islamabad, or Timbuktoo, ``nouveau riche`` people who acquire sudden wealth do not know how to behave with it. Humeira the people you speak of in your article reek the malodour of a perverse ``nouveau riche`` ineptitude.
Proper Khandans/Biradiris/maldaar families, which have existed for several generations, such as the Memons in Karachi, the Ismailis in Islamabad, the nawabs of Lucknow, the princes and princesses of Larkana, the Hyderabadi Khandans etc... do not need to advertise their wealth and are more discreet, therefore their conversation revolves not around price tags but more to the tune of holiday resorts, lifestyle, breed of horses, rarity of wine, caviar and the finer things in life.....
It is only the ``Yuppee wannabees`` that make sure they are wearing huge logos and have loud mouths to complement them. Humeira do make a distinction between proper khandans and ``wanna-bees``.
Nadia and Rozaiba:
Islamabad is a beautiful city yet it must be stressed: A lot of people from Islamabad are ``nouveau riche`` their ill-begotten means stem not from generational ``khandans`` but largely from a military beaurocracy. they have lined their pockets due to the men in badges. and they do not know how to behave with their money. therein comes in the one-upmanship nurtured by their willingness to go out of their way to prove they are ``cool`` including ofcourse the wife-swapping adultery in military messes
when all they really are is clowns.
Just to weave my argument one last time: make a clear demarcation between the refined sophisticated families who have worked generations for their money (not all of them are corrupt), and the socially inept tax-evading bribe-prone ``nouveau riche`` types who pretend to be ``Labradors`` when they are nothing but badly behaved puppies in search of ill-begotten bones.
#11 Posted by alluring on June 5, 2005 4:01:32 pm
``Vanity is My Favorite Sin`` , That was claimed by A ``Devil`s Advocate``. I do agree with the logics and arguments in this post. But i wonder if someone can ensure consistancy in one`s attitude? worth ? relative phenomen... dont u think worth is something determined by a specific time n space....! well neverthless u presented urs thoughts in convincing manner.
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