The Aftergod

I`m going to name my next puppy ``Pazuzu``.That`s the only redeeming feature of this drivel.``Pazuzu`` sounds cool.

Imagine there`s no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
....John Lennon

Peace is so utopian a term. A godless Earth won`t be a peaceful Earth either. There`s much more to die for .... Why only blame religion!

Nadeem -

A profound satire. A masterful piece.

However, I don’t agree with “A godless Earth. A peaceful Earth.” I agree with Jesus: “Humans will never be able to survive without God. Without religion ...Without Satan.”

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Brilliant absolutely. This just has to be the very best way and in a way darkest way you have yet again pleaded for a ``godless/religionless world`` and I loved it when you suggest to do so more for the sake of God than humans. Great piece of writing, sir like a twisted sci-fiction opera....

Fantastically and origenally done, NFP, but you have been pushing a bit too hard your
pleas for a totally secular world. I second Godot by agreeing more with your Jesus character than either Lucifer or your scheming God figure.

PS: Isn`t Pazuzu also the biblical demon//fallen angel also used in those Exorcist movies? And kindly anyone please tell me a bit about all these other demons and angels whose names NFP has used here. Thanka.

Acha tho Paracha ji, at least in Pakistan it is said that when one crosses the age of 35
people start getting more religious. However with you Paracha, you have on from becoming a tolerant agnostic to an intolerant and scathing atheist. I this your way of staying young?

chowk allows such blasphemy and yet will censure us if we call a murtad a murtad! la hawla wa la quwwata ila billah...

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the author obviously has pretensions...borrowing from here and there...Iqbal`s impact is obvious that here the idea is perverted to blasphemous ends..I couldn`t even read all of it for fear of insulting some of Allah`s Beloveds...

Cleverly done. Liked the way the author puts both forces of ``good`` and ``evil`` on the same boat.

Alright here now come the self claimed keepers of the faith and god`s soldiers with their typical narrow minded crys of blasphemy, naqsh saab I have very high respect for you so please do not destroy my respecting image of you by making noises the kind we in Pakistan are sick of hearing from so many myopic mulaas. If you read carefully it is clear that the story is suggesting the end of god Satan and religion as we know it and doing so for what god originally stood for.

That was fcukin beautiful man back atyou`re best, just please stick to fiction you get you`re point across so much better.

· Gracias godot/patwari/supersize/Che Guevara/naushinemirza


· Supersize
Yes Pazuzu was the demon used in all four Exorcist films. For brief profiles on all the angels and demons’ names I have mentioned just goggle ‘em.

· Naqshbandi
You suggested: ~~chowk allows such blasphemy and yet will censure us if we call a murtad a murtad!.~~
Well, now they have allowed you to say “Murtad a Murtad.” And now hear me say it as well: A murtad is a murtad is a murtad. So get over it, already.

You also suggested: ~~the author obviously has pretensions...borrowing from here and there...Iqbal`s impact is obvious that here the idea is perverted to blasphemous ends..I couldn`t even read all of it for fear of insulting some of Allah`s Beloveds...~~

I think you have a good enough a brain to critique a fictitious piece a lot more eloquently than with an abrupt (if not downright bigoted) “la hawla wa la quwwata ila billah...” By saying this if you expected me to vanish, well I didn’t. Next time, the wise, spiritual, naqshband Muslim that you are, try blowing me up through a suicide bomber (I recommend hamzad).

And also, if you do allow your righteous self to coment on my post, then this time around kindly do read the play in its entirety. Otherwise don’t bother.

rgds,
NfP

Nicely written. The fuzzy-boundries of good and evil were portrayed quite well. However, the whole story climaxes to a flawed conclusion. The two lines ``A godless Earth. A peaceful Earth.`` Up until that point it was a good story; and then it became humanist/athiest propoganda. We all know that humans are flawed and complex. Our capability of performing extremes and the ability to affect others on larger scales than any other animal is the reason why the concept of a peaceful earth is elusive. To an equal degree, our Earth IS a godless earth as much as it is one with God. And no distinction can be made of insanity, stupidity and desire on either side.

Oh..and..it is not necessary for God to actually talk to Adam or Eve or any other human for us to conceive/know of him. So even in a godless Earth, where humans where never contacted by a God (whether existing or not), some of them would naturally turn to reach out to a higher unifying entity that could conceptually tie in the vastness and complexity of this universe.

Some would say this is because God is not a distinct separate being that he can just isolate himself from us, but is inherently the foundation of reality.

Anywho, the Angel/Demons war concept is something that really interests me (e.g. the movie Constantine) and maybe if you could write about the 2 wars in detail..that would be neat.

828

In traditional Christian theology, Lucifer was once second in command to God. However, he lusted after God`s position and wished to be first. He led a revolt against God and led as many as ``one third`` of the other angels. He lost and was banished to the Earth to roam until Judgment Day. His followers were the fallen angels and became demons and evil spirits. The Book of Revelation states that Lucifer and his followers will be banished to Hell forever. This is usually called ``The First War In Heaven.``
The play takes place in a second such war.

rgds,
NfP

Superb. Khool imagery, very much NFPsque. So your personal war with distorted faith goes on. But let`s say someone in Pakistan would like to stage this play, will they be able to?

Naqshbandi bhai:

take it easy. Yea, we murtids are gonna get burned in hell, i`ll be asking welding supervisors for a spark or two to light up my joints in between pyro sessions so yea it will be all good.

I think you should upgrade us to Munafiqs cos the pyro intensity a Munafiq gonna get in hell is supposedly way too higher than murtids, kaafirs combined. has got more bite to it, you know.

cheers man.

NFP: i have not read your play so i got no comments. :-)

wama alaina illal balagh.

Re: # 17
to ther author: it is not the content nor the idea but the disrespectful tone adapted towards the nabis and payambars and malaaika which made your piece so hard to swallow...

I told you to try write about sex, it sells better than even blasphemy

Re: # 19
Yup u r better on sex topices
God help Leafyglade
Editors wakeup:P

NFP, you`re quite a genius and that has never been an issue. Do not get derided by close mindedness of some people who typically get scared of what you stand for and advocate.

I loved this play. It is one of your finest articles on chowk.

Love,
Ameena

#7 by supersize asks ``kindly anyone please tell me a bit about all these other demons and angels whose names NFP has used here.``

supersize, its strange that instead of posing this question to the writer, who frequently responds on his boards, you would ask other people! Is it because you think NFP is too high and mighty an entity to be directly posed a question to?

I also heard a few interactors previously talk about how NFP represents the ``unrealized dreams of a generation``. That literally threw me out of my chair. Granted, I have been living in Boston for a while, but still, I believe I am fully in touch with Pakistan. Why didnt I ever hear of this ``unrealized dream`` untill I registered on Chowk a year ago?? Why is it that his below-average at best articles garner such strong adulations from a certain group, the same group considers itself not worthy enough to pose direct questions to NFP?

If a man does not find any evidence that he was created by a God, he creates his own God/Gods. God is inevitable for the human society!

Three fourth of the world`s human population bears a conviction tha God exists in some form, and half of them undoubtedly adhere to this belief wihhout any enforcement, and are contended with it. And an N F Paracha sneaks out from some anonymous nook of the world and is bent upon turning the world Godless, does that make any sense?

nadeem:

this was not ``below average``. not original, but not below average. :)

i think while others are castigating you for writing about a godless earth (as if you are the only one who`s written about it!), godot may be the only one who has seen this, as i do, as a satire. and the dialogue doesn`t mar the piece here. . . it is still a rough plot afterall.

a godless earth though? even with the presence of ``that force somewhere, or anywhere but our hearts`` we have turned people into gods, ideas into gods, ones we ditch (and vice-versa) when we don`t serve each other`s purposes. the ongoing battle (according to certain beliefs) is for earth, and our hearts, but there are those of us who like jesus at the end of this, are confused, what is ``god`s will`` all about, and what the heck is all this about free will?! and what is our will in the face of the will of the leaders who say they will deliver us or bring us so much closer to ``a peaceful earth``?

i mean look at you, you`re a peddler, and there are those who elevate you to such heights, it`s damn near embarrassing. you`re human like the rest of us, who has ideas that people may or may not agree with. obviously ``heresy`` is not tolerated well here. i should be upset that you had god turn jesus into mud!!!

best,
ana

p.s. i had no idea that karachi was such an anonymous nook of the world! as for NFP ``bent`` on turning the world godless, there are those who already believe that the world is godless -- would you believe, they`re called atheists!

Re: # 24 Dear lady, imagine if someone from Urstruly, Echoboom or Naqshbandi`s tribe ever quoted some Quranic verses, and ventured to elucidate them in an attempt to spread God`s massage, what sort of treatment would they receive at the hands of Mr Paracha and the likes? To what extent could they be rediculed and bashed by these self-poclaimed beacons of peace and professors of a Godless Earth?
The trouble is not the belief, but the espousing and imposing of it on others, even if that involves blasphemy and desecration of other people`s beliefs or theocracies.
I haven`t even attempted to pay the devil his due. :)

#25:
yea.. chusni saahib and other worship tv network types should write long treatises on eg. the importance of saving humanity from Hellfire.. more power to them. and yea thrash NFP`s godless agenda to your heart`s content.

more power to you too... ! (no puns here)

NFP: i still havent read your play so errm... i dont think i should be writing a comment . :-)

kachchi miTTi, you`re a troublemaker!!! :)) (this to be taken with a grain of salt) read the damn thing, why don`tcha?!?

sifar. . .

first of all, peace!

that`s all for now. :)

ana

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#28 - I alluded to the same possibility last year. Although I was new to Chowk and not familiar with many interactors, still it was hard to miss the loud ear drum bursting adulations that were being shouted by a certain group for each and every mediocre article NFP was putting out. What I particularly found strange was the shared trait of NFP and these interactors of playing up NFP`s past as ``Zia -ul Haq`s prisoner`` and ``legendary drug habits`` and his ``marxist/anarchist`` associations, as if it was some sort of badge of honor.

This is what I wrote last year, after I had had enough of this:

#48 Gulp Fiction on September 30, 2004
Ok fine. Kill me for saying this but Nass, Warlus, and Feedback are in fact Paracha himself. I skimmed through their previous interacts and lo! 90% of all of their interacts are in regards to Paracha. All these interactors mysteriously appear each time Paracha writes an article, and they all talk about paracha`s alleged bouts of ``breakdowns`` and ``drugs`` and ``zia -ulhaq`s jails`` etc etc.

So here is my certified theory. Paracha is himself writing all these interacts on Paracha`s board to create some sort of `cult figure` around Paracha.

Whats the big deal here, is he the only one writing or preaching a godless earth? And this a piece of satrire not shakespeare and it is a dam good satire very close to what goes on in name of religion in pakistan.

Man is biggest culprit why blame God or his faith? Weakness in you that you look towards
west theory of seperate faith and society so must look in your self first.

I saw God!

God is very big--some sources claim he is even as tall as 6`2``.

God could quite easily create a rock so heavy that not even He could lift it. He just doesn`t want to.

God is frequently confused with Justain Timberlake.

God doesn`t mind his job, because all he always really wanted to do is write sitcoms.

God invented the sport of lacrosse.

God smells like rain.

God burps like men.

God eats babies.

God may acually be synonomous with Clint Eastwood.

And Satan

1. And Lucifer was cast out of heaven. 2. And Lucifer, henceforth referred to as Satan, did rebel against God, and He proclaimed, `I shall take this creation, the Earth, and I shall make it my own`. 3. And God smiled, for He knew that Satan would not be able to do such a thing. 4. And Satan was not hasty in his actions. 5. He did regard mankind, and He saw a flaw. 6. `Humans are easily tempted,` He proclaimed, `so I shall created something they cannot resist, and it shall turn them to me, and I shall gain their souls`. 6. So Satan made His toilet, but collected the effluent. 7. He placed it into bottles, and created on Earth a place called a bar. 8. He placed these bottles in the bar, and watched, as humans came. 9. He laughed as he saw them drink, and become intoxicated, and smiled as he saw the effect - addiction, fighting, and raping. 11. He rejoiced as He saw these humans becoming lost, who at their deaths would swell His infernal ranks.

And thus was Budweiser created. And God wept.

Okay, seriously,
Naqshbandi Sahib:
Your point taken and respected. And I hope you did mine.

ana,
God turned Jesus into mud because he loved him. Otherwise, he could have turned him into hamzaad, y’know.

Sifar,
For GOD`S sake, man. Just wanted to make a play out of a simple thought that has been running in my mind. It`s not even an opinion. Just a lil` query, that`s all: What would the world be like without religion? And maybe in the play God is being sarcastic when he says, ``A godless earth. A peaceful earth.?`` Sarcastic with ``godless men`` like me?

Raw_Dust
Do not read it at all. I fear you`ll stop posting.;)

Shockthemonk,
Yes, it’s personal. But not a war. A battle, perhaps. I, the man, against religious beliefs created by man. Blasphemy?

Lol@Urstruly. I’ll definitely keep that in mind. But isn’t that always the case?

Gracias Amena.

SairaK,
You’re too deep for me, love.

Rgds,
NfP

So what is this about?Finding your own truth in the atrophied words of the faith as the Prophets taught it?...Or breaking down the walls of the Organisation of Fear that Islam has become?...
Somehow, the battlefield should have been Earth and not Heaven...Somehow it should have been the Devil taking over Earth, only to realise man had gone back up...

As a satire it makes little sense, as there is a disconnect between any identifiable trait or belief of religious people...more like the typical adolecent rant against religion head bangers develop after they discover Ozzy.

The impact of the satire is lessoned by the fact that the greatest evils done in the past century and a bit were not in the name of God, but in the name of nationalism and Leftist ideologies (oops...can we fault lefties?).

Satire? Atheism?

Nahhhhhh!

#33 by baaghiraja on June 13, 2005 0:50am PT:

``Just wanted to make a play out of a simple thought that has been running in my mind. It`s not even an opinion.``

I think he`s gone nuts trying to figure out who he is, why he is, where he`s from, and where he`s heading after rejecting God`s Existance. Unfortunately, in the process lost the entire concept of respect for others. Yet if some wrote a piece with his family members in roles and places as he could never imagine, he`d probably go in a never-ending back-flipping mode. It`s a typical atheist/secular syndrome in advanced stages. A product of being way too much into Hollywood sci-fi and such Disney and other modern/contemporary animations of aliens, monsters, super-heroes/heroines junk. Mix it with the attention deprivation and the desire for a godless life without responsibilities, and the confusion becomes a wet-dream, spurting uncontrollably in pieces like The Aftergod.

I don`t know how many people missed the following from his confusion:

``God: Look down below. Down from that ugly crack from where Mhedi fell. Look hard. Earth like when I first made it. I have taken time back right to the start. There is Adam and here comes Eve. But they shall never know of me. Or of you. And neither will those who shall follow them. And I shall not ask you to kneel in front of Adam. And you shall not rebel. There will be no game.``

...the bugger wants God - as in, ``The Supreme Being`` - to make this earth a godless earth

LOL....what gives?

Kinda ironic don`t you think.... an atheist looking to God for making it a godless earth :-)~~

What a Pitiful baghlol !

Ciao :-)~~

Re: # 36 haha @ `baghlol`...liked it! :-)
regards

Congratulations, ntsyed. In your wonderfully crafted anti-secular rant, you are the one guy who ACTUALLY found the whole point of the play. Irony. The irony of God planing to rid the world of his own influence. Wow. God does move in mysterious ways.


Rgds,
NfP

Re: # 38

Dear baaghiraja,

`[S]ecular rant` or reality, it`s all relative and subject to paradigms and perspectives. The most amicable compromise is an agreement on disagreement. I hope you concur :-)~~

Nevertheless, your appreciation is appreciated, Jazak-Allah! Indeed He does move in mysterious ways.

``The irony of God planing to rid the world of his own influence.``

Dil k behlanay ko Ghalib ye khayal achcha hai :-)~~

Meray bhai, you`re assuming too much about an Entity Whom no normal mortal has seen. Only a few prophets [PBUH] have had a glimpse of Him; I`m only certain about two of them.

Think about it, why did He create all that we see and hear about, and the things He has promised us for our obedience and deviance?

More specifically, why did He create us, angels, jinn, Iblees, earth, heaven, and hell?

And why would He relinquish His dominion? Could I tell my children to pretend and live like fatherless children while I exist and provide for them? Would that really allow them to live in utopian peace and harmony?

I think these are way too many questions for now. May be you want to find the answers to these or may be not, but alhumdolillah you and I have established that we believe in His Existence as the Supreme Being.

Now, while we obey our employer, judicial authority, and even a gun toting homicidal nut-case as long as he/she holds that power (the gun) over us; knowing Allah holds All Powers within and beyond our imagination, what keeps us from obeying Him?

We`ll discuss accountibility and consequences later, that is if you wish for it, insha-Allah.

Ciao

ntsyed :-)~~

ntsyed sahib:

that was a great post! isnt that soo right? we murtids, kafirs actually murtids specially. we are like flooring the pedal when surely the ride aint safe and there is only pure fire, misery and torment waiting for us on the other side. we are a lost cause indeed. we are doomed, prejudged by the Dog almighty to be damned eternally so He could score some points with Momineen like your praiseworthy self.

This whole idea for the Truth is prolly wonderful to believe maybe a touch melodramatic. So i say, more power to your pen. On the other hand lost souls, the baghlols of every Time and age are fated to play their part over and over. They are the fuel to stoke the furnace that Dog almighty cant do without.

peace.

Re: # 40

Dear RD,

He is the Only Entity worthy of Praises. He doesn`t need to score points with anyone, nor does He give up on anyone unless he/she insists on it. Even then, He leaves the door open if and when he/she wishes to revert.

He doesn`t wish for His Creation to become fuel for the `fire`; He has plenty of other resources for that. He has left it up to us .... the ultimate freedom of choice. We decide our fate with our intentions and subsequent efforts for action.

May He fill your life with ghee-shakkar and all that you desire if He counts me among Momineen. Don`t give up on yourself so quick though. Only He decides who belongs where.

You appear way too smart to be fooled by incomplete thoughts and impressions of life. Please don`t be so bitter about His Authority and Rules. You and I obey these day-in and day-out in one way or another anyway. It`s only a matter of looking at life with sincerity in order to recognize our compliance to Him even in our defiance :-)~~

ciao,
ntsyed :-)~~

But why is it assumed that secularism means godlessness? It a habit of our mollaas that they try to confuse people between atheism and secularism.

Re: # 42

It`s a prominent trait of the ill-informed and confused that they try to blame the religiously inclined, mollaas, padris, et al for their own ignorance and woes resulting from it.

Dictionary.com:

2 entries found for secularism.

1. sec·u·lar·ism (n).

1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.

secu·lar·ist (n).
secu·lar·istic (adj).

2. secularism

(n) : a doctrine that rejects religion and religious considerations

Would the dear Mr. patwari kindly enlighten us all with the definitions of the word as per Messrs Oxford and Webster?

It would be even better if he could then tell us who`s propagating disinformation about who?

ciao,
ntsyed :-)~~

Sir if it matter of deffinations from dictionary I respond by defination of secularism taken from christian dictionary.......

``Secularism is that which seeks the development of the physical, moral, and intellectual nature of man to the highest possible point, as the immediate duty of life — which inculcates the practical sufficiency of natural morality apart from Atheism, Theism or the Bible``

So my point onl;y was that secularism is different from atheism thats all.

According to same dictionary secularism is....
The improvement of this life by material means.
That science is the available Providence of man.
That it is good to do good. ``Whether there be other good or not, the good of the present life is good, and it is good to seek that good`` (English Secularism, 35).

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13676a.htm

Re: # 44 by patwari

So what you`re saying is that secularism doesn`t mean one rejects the existence of God; one simply rejects Him.

In all the definitions you`ve provided, God has been put aside and omitted from the equation; in effect rejected.

So then, what else is Atheism if not rejection of God?

And how much of a difference remains there between secularism and atheism?

Dear sir, I understand what you`re trying to say. But, dil k behlanay ko Ghalib ye khayal achcha hai.

We can go round and round in endless semantics and hair-splitting, at the end of the day secularism and atheism are directly related to each other - one transpires the other.

ciao,
ntsyed :-)~~

ntsyed:
i was just thinking about the cartoonish vibe of the whole thing. thats all. Personally, i dont deny or deify or defy - i just grew out of it just like i grew out of say, Tom & Jerry.

have a good wednesday.
cheers.

as far as i can tell
this is simply brilliant.
i would love to see that movie.
the day i outgrow stuff like that
will be the day i die forever.

Roger Schrödinger,
NaturalCat

My mind just asks myself this question:

Given you are a NaturalCat,
locked in a box
with 2 rodents named Azrael and Lucifer
and a bottle of nerve gas,
would you:
a. kill Azrael and share the hide with Lucifer
b. kill Lucifer and share the hide with Azrael
c. break the bottle and leave the rest to Mother Nature?

Curious as hell:
Puzzie Schrödinger, Rogers sister

My mind just asks myself this question:

Given you are a NaturalCat,
locked in a box
with 2 rodents named Azrael and Lucifer
and a bottle of nerve gas,
would you:
a. kill Azrael and share the hide with Lucifer
b. kill Lucifer and share the hide with Azrael
c. break the bottle and leave the rest to Mother Nature?

Curious as hell:
Puzzie Schrödinger, Rogers sister