Advani in Karachi

#111 by harish_hyd
“what they fail to realize is that the cunning Advani was merely pandering to the Paki chatterati.”

I never thought Harish you could write such a thing. You disappoint me.
We take your and A-hole’s grand strategy of Advani deception on the face value then why are Indian newspapers full of his political obituary…
Should we call it the ultimate deception?
I like your invoking Chanakya though...

From HindustanTimes.com
“BJP President LK Advani’s measured statements during his visit to Pakistan appear to be a part of a well-thought out strategy to project him as the new secular messiah of this country. That this plan is not likely to succeed is evident from the fact that in trying to woo sections which have viewed him with suspicion all through, Advani has made the fundamental mistake of losing his own Hindu constituency.”
“But with his comments on Jinnah and Partition, Advani has hastened the process for his removal as BJP chief. Various constituents of the Sangh Parivar have already issued critical statements and posters have come up in Gujarat asking for his resignation. The man who was described by his opponents as the Hindu Jinnah is now, by singing praises for the real Jinnah, trying to become a martyr at the altar of secularism. This is how his removal is going to be projected by his supporters.”
“Advani may have to do a lot of explaining when he returns to India even though he has expressed his considered view. However, what could spell trouble for him is that in trying to search for a new image for himself, the man who liked to be compared to Sardar Patel has completely miscalculated.”
In his quest to be like Vajpayee, Advani seems to have lost his own identity. He has had his way several times in the past but this deviation from the basic beliefs of the RSS will spell the end of his political innings. The crafty politician whom many respected as the architect of the BJP’s growth has perhaps written his own political epitaph in Pakistan.

Re: # 113

Dear HP...

My very dear friend Harish Hyd is not to be confused with Harish Nambiar and/or Harimau Iyer.

What you`ve pointed to is an important matter. Advani seems to be an extremely stupid politician if what Misters Null and Hyd say is true. While he failed to make an impression on us (evident by the lukewarm response to Advani`s several statements about Jinnah over the past 2 days in Pakistani media)... he managed to commit political suicide at home where every newspaper carried his story on the frontpage apparently.

-YLH

Somebody compared the Indian Netas with the Paki Jernails and called them ``post colonial ``Kleptocratic`` elites``.
I`m afraid that one cannot compare the two just because both of them hold state power. It is just like comparing Churchill with Hitler- one was removed through peaceful elections and the other had to be removed by making every one go through that tragic World War.

Re: # 109
Yes, I was talking about st. denys.

Was that Advani`s daughter they were showing in Geo today, looked more like his wife. maybe a cheap swipe on myb part but honestly I believed it.

Re: # 115

When Alephnull spoke of Pakistani kleptocratic elite... he was not talking of Pakistani generals alone... but was critical of all with a ``massive sense of entitlement`` a phrase that he coined ... to impress upon us his status as a first rate intellectual, which evidently not many consider him to be.

So your entire point is a wasted effort as usual.

#113 by HP

[We take your and A-hole’s grand strategy of Advani deception on the face value then why are Indian newspapers full of his political obituary…]

The problem here is that the Indian media has been just as misled as Pakis have been. Or more likely, it is a deliberate ploy on his (and/or BJP`s) part to sow the seeds of confusion so no one notices the radical departure from his stated positions on issues such as Pakistan, Partition, and the TNT. For those familiar with the rough and tumble of Indian politics, it is easy to understand the game Advani played. In Pakistan, he played to the gallery and successfully transformed himself from a hawk into a dove and now when he`s back home, with a straight face he will claim that he`d been misquoted and retain the image of a hardliner. In the process, he`ll have made both the Pakis and Sangh Parivar happy. End of story.

Re: # 119

Dear Harish

Not all Pakistanis have not been misled. Maybe just me ...

I checked most urdu papers etc... and also all the English papers... and to my disappointment scant attention was paid to the story... Dawn being the most indifferent.

In my defense, I can recall atleast 2 occasions prior to this in the last 2 years where Advani has discussed Jinnah and partition and said exactly the same thing.

-YLH

#120 by Mantolives

[In my defense, I can recall atleast 2 occasions prior to this in the last 2 years where Advani has discussed Jinnah and partition and said exactly the same thing.]

Yasser,

But you will agree with me that Advani is the most wily politician in the subcontinent (Laloo Yadav comes a close second), and he is as smart as they get. He is known to speak as the occasion demands and later retract at the first available opportunity. It remains to be seen what his comments are when he is grilled here in India.

Re: # 118

``The difference: Pakistan`s dressed in military uniforms/business suits, India`s in dhotis. ``

I was commenting on the comparison you doled out.......which was not apt!!

Mr. Advani and Mr. Jinnah fall in the same category of politicians.
Both used religion to achieve their goals, Mr. Jinnah got a country and Mr. Advani catapulted his party to the power.
The more their thought process and type of thinking is discredited and discarded, the better for humanity.
They both have cause immense damage to the people on the Indian Subconitinent and both are disgusting and despicable characters.
Indians have done better, at least they do not hang Mr. Advani`s photo on the wall.

Re: # 123

Shishapa,

If you were to read some unbiased history... you would find a view quite different from your current unfortunate and colored view. BTW Indians do have Gandhiji`s picture... and he is credited with being the first one to introduce religion (ironically against the advice of Jinnah himself) into politics in South Asian History.

The only person despicable is one who is unable to read history without one`s own biases.

-YLH

Re: # 121

I do agree with you and it will be interesting how Advani will now dissociate himself from the very clear pronouncement he gave him in Karachi.

shishapa #123 To compare Advani to Jinnah is to compare a rotten apple to fine, flush red vitamin-rich gala apple. :-)

Re: # 233

Dear Harish bhai,

Thank you ... coming from you it means a lot to me. Please do consider visiting Pakistan and being our guest in Lahore some time in the future (hopefuly Basant time).

Sincerely

Yasser

ylh #125 It is hard to imagine a lifetime of hatred for muslims and for Pakistan giving way to the great love Advani professed in visiting Pakistan. But whether or not Advani means what he says is not important. What is important is that he knows which side his bread is buttered. :-)