Advani in Karachi

Re # 126,

Tahmedji,

I heard that. I think this is a conspiracy against Green Apple growers by Red Apple growers. What do you think?

Re: # 127

Ok.. that post by Mohar11... is mine on a completely different board (i.e. On the importance of reclaiming chowk).

Chowk staff please make the necessary changes... because we don`t want to make this board all mushy mushy.... :)

-YLH

It wasnt Gandhi who introduced religion in politics it was Tilak and Lajpat Rai.

What`s the fuss about ..... I remember some head mullah from pakiland visited India sometime back and said some favourable things like TNT was bad, partition was wrong blah blah blah... now Advani has returned the favor - jinnah was secular. pakis are hosptbale blah lah.

It`s like when Mushy goes to India, he puts some flowers at the Gandhi`s resting place. What does that mean - nothing ..... just part of normal politics .... so what`s the fuss about?

Re: # 128

tahmed,

After meeting Mani Shankar Aiyar this weekend... and then Advani`s wonderful statements (diplomatic or not)... have made me quite optimistic about our future as two friendly and sovereign nations of this great indivisible subcontinent ...

Advani is a mediocre Indian politician. He is a heavy-weight in India because he appears tall in comprison to the likes of Laloo and Mulayam. A truly sad state of politics in India, indeed.

Advani rose to fame because he was able to capitalise on something that was quite palpable and visible to even an occasional visitor to India in the late eighties: In the anti-muslim sentiments created by Rajiv Gandhi`s caving in to Muslim obscurantists following the Shah Bano case and the strong pro-Ram sentiments created by the hugely successful, though poorly produced Ramayan serial, the time was ripe to create a hindu vote bank by exploiting Hindu pride and demonising muslims. Advani seized the moment and catapulted himself into a legend for his party, if not the country in an event which he now calls the saddest day of his life. That`s a load of you-know-what: The only BJP leader who showed any remorse on that day was Vajpayee and Indian Muslims still respect him for that. Again, when Gujarat happened and until recentlyl, he has consistently defended Modi and Gujarat government for the events which he now calls it a blot. A few BJP leaders did show some pangs of conscience over those riots but Advani was not one of them.

The man has nothing to show in the way of positive achievement. Some of Vajpayee`s ministers did excel themselves but Advani was not one of them. He was the Home Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister for almost six years and his performance was dismal. I cannot remember a single thing he did during those six years which could be termed significant.

Manto:
Couldn`t Pakistan find any Pakistani Hindu to inaugurate the repair of Ketas Raj? What about Danish Kaneira or Justice Bhagwan Das?

Avenger:
Do you seriously want us to believe that a brahmin was a bonded labour?

echoboom:
You baffle me, sir! You hate Advani for demolishing the Babri Masjid (I am with you there!) but are also an admire the Taleban who destroyed probably their country`s best known historical monument. You shower the choicest abuses on Pakistani seculars, communists and moderates and praise the religious extremists; in India the same godless, secular and communists are your darlings; if you are consistent, you should be rooting for Shiv Sainiks and Bajrang dalis. And please do not say it is because the communists are against the Farangis (it`s the shiv sainiks leading the charge against wesernisation) as you know that they were following their Russian masters like a lap dog until yesterday.

Re: # 131

Yes I concur... there were several.

In the era of coalitions, the only guys from the BJP who can become PM are the ones who present themselves as moderate. Advani is presenting himself that way keeping the next elections in mind. Basically its a hogwash, once he presents himself as a moderate then atleast officially the so-called secular parties can support his candidacy.

Re: # 123 sish
//...Mr. Advani and Mr. Jinnah fall in the same category of politicians. ...//

Not really ...... Jinnah`s politics built a new country [a country for muslim freaks, but a country none-the-less] but Advani`s politics would destabilize a good country, if carried to logical conclusion.

From India`s point of view - Jinnah was best thing that ever happened, jinnah was like a doctor of yore who cut the limb with festering wound. And advani was the worst thing that ever happened, who was trying bring the poison back into the already healed body.

echoboom:

If there was no ``Yessir Khan``, there would not have been a Pakistan. Before him, the Musalmaans of India did not think of themselves as a nation. Especially in what is currently Pakistan, they were muslims in name only - not very different from hamidm - only going to masjid once in a while; they paricipated in local festivals, even religious ones. And a Muslim was as likely to seek the help of a Hindu village baba as a Hindu was to get a taveez from the local peer. It is ``Yessir Khan`` who changed all that and brought a muslim-nation conciousness to India`s Muslims and created a Pan-Indian Muslim elite (english speaking, of course). But for him, India`s Muslims would be sulking in their madrassas while the brahmin-banias ruled the roost.

hindvi:
Are you not confusing religion with politics? Tilak and Sir Syed introduced communalism into politics but I am not sure if you can call introducing religion in it.

Mantolives#133
As one of the earliest optimists, I am now getting a bit discouraged, despite all this bonhomie. There is a lot of good feeling but no real progress in any area. Despite several meetings, there is no progress on Balighar Dam, no progress on Siachen, no progress on Kishenganga project and no progress on Sir Creek or bilateral trade. Surprisingly though, there seems to have been some movement on the Kashmir front.

As someone aplty observed, the engine is idling at full speed.

Re # 137

Mohar11,

See Mr. Jinnah was the manifestation/representation of a disgusting menatility.
He played the same role and had the same attitude then as is being played by likes of Syed Ali Shah Gilanis in Kashmir. Would you call Syed Ali Shah Gilani best thing ever happened to India if tomorrow Kashmir separates from India? Kashmir is a festering wound of a sort also! How many such quacks are we willing to thank?

Likes of Advanis and Thakre`s have to be purged from the body of India for sure. But
their counterparts, whereever they are, were and are equally dangerous and must be
purged before they become dangerous.

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Dost Mittar

Syed was espousing political withdrawal for muslims, not injecting religion. Where as Tilak was encouraging religous revivalism as a source of hindu pride, it was he who revived Ganpati Baba Moria for Marathis, and took an aggressive line against muslims.

Your reading of Medeival Indian history is also inaccurate, but I will leave that to another occasion.

Yasser you criticise Gandhi where as praise Jinah for essentially committing the same mistake, am I missing the logic here?

Re: # 139

Once again... you are clueless about history. Did you know that Jinnah for the longest time stood for the unity of India... and infact some argue that did so even in the end? Please read before opining... It was precisely because it was Jinnah, an ex-congressman, the best ambassador of hindu muslim unity and the staunchest patriot of India and not Ali Geelani who made Pakistan which should atleast cause some spark of curiousity as to why.

You can go on accepting traditional nonsense... or you can try reading history honestly.

Re: # 142

No... I don`t praise Jinnah for that... yes Jinnah resorted to the same tactics that Gandhi had perfected earlier... and I don`t like Jinnah for that.

I like him because of his role as a legislator (he is responsible for the legislation against child marriages for example and several other progressive pieces of legislation in United India) , barrister, as a secular Indian nationalist and for his vision for Pakistan which he repeatedly enunciated in the last year for his life.. I admire the Jinnah who stood for universal literacy, for equality and justice for all, the Jinnah who stood for Bhagat Singh...

And another thing... my frequent outbursts aside... I don`t hate Gandhi but I get irked by the saintly personna Indians and others give him... which is a myth. However my aim is not to replace the angelic Gandhian myth with a devilish one which will also be a myth.