Advani in Karachi

Informative article. I think Advani is trying to outdo Manmohan Singh in being chummy with Pakistan. While in Pakistan, he has been at pains for everyone to forget his past, including the fanning of communal hatred in India (particularly with the destruction of babri masjid) and his (unsuccessful) efforts to bully Pakistan. The Pakistan government too has done the right thing in letting him into Pakistan and talking peace. Since both countries are better off if they live in peace.

Re: # 62

``This brings us to everyone on Chowk. Many, if not most, of us Pakistanis on Chowk, are a product of this rise of Pakistan. Very few of us were born into the elite families (other than the ones who are kids of landowners, or powerful political nexuses). Yet now, statistically speaking, we are all in the upper-middle or upper class of Pakistan. None of us is from the middle class, although many of us had parents and grandparents who were from the middle or lower middle class of Pakistan......... ``


Ditto... this rise naturally takes out of the ``ruling elite`` category... upper middle class yes... not upper class.


``Less than 1% of Pakistan has Internet access at home. ``

This is old news. Now atleast 15-20 million users have internet access in some form or the other.

``Far less than 1% has foreign degrees.``

True

``A tiny minority owns its own car.``

Again... total number of vehicles in Lahore alone is in the vicinity of 1-2 million

``A tiny minority has air-conditioning at home.``

This might not be true any more.

``A tiny minority has an English newspaper subscription.``

True .... actually tiny tiny tiny minority ... you can`t even imagine how tiny.

Raw_Dust #64: Is your aim to learn about Pakistan, or to just denounce it. If it is the former, then I can answer your questions. If it is the later, then I can only feel sorry for you and sympathesise with you...........

The point in my comment was that, while there has been an entrenched elite in Pakistan, there is one in every third world country. I would assume there is one in India, as well, since it is also a third-world country. And that while such an elite does exist in Pakistan, there is more to Pakistan than that............and there is probably more to India than that also.............

Romair:
So you think an Elite that has gone scot free for its crimes such as Genocide is comparable to the elite in Anyother country? Yes or No. would do.

Re: # 63

I haven`t qualified my statement. Go read it again. My definition of middleclass was vis a vis `not ruling class` or `upward mobile` and was as such not related to ``financial stability``... you seem to viewing it selectively...

I know several lower middle class people from taat kay school who have made it abroad to study in US schools.... so your point is? And whatever it is ... I am not interested in it... I suggest you go back and read the original exchange....

Or explain to me how my Motormechanic Ahmadi grandfather was part of the rich uppercrust of pakistani society...

And for now good night.

I dont understand why financial status of grandfathers is relevant here....one solid money making generation is all it takes....my grandfather was a freakin bonded laborer....but his granson now gets pocket money probably closer to Manto`s journalist/school teacher salary...

Mantolives:
you just did qualify by saying it was from Personal Experience in your last post. now you are not so sure. Fine. goodnight whatever. The day middleclass guys go to colleges(not talking of gradschools) in American universities, i will change my position immediately. So, until then lets dream on!

#18 by Mantolives on June 5, 2005 8:04am PT


we hardly need your patronisation for our heroes.


Yup..you`re beyond redemption....Pakistan is destined to be an Islamic state...no mixed marathons, no ``free to worship..`` BS...and jinnah will forever remain an unknown(or world famous in Pakistan)....

Re: # 63 add going to AN ENGLISH PUBLIC SCHOOL in the heart of VERY UPPER CRUST ROYALIST ARISTO England ...cheltenham...and he claims he is a pleb!

But you have got hand it to mantolives - he is an ace at airbrushing his heritage and inheritance! He has learnt many a trick from his hero ZAB.

Re: # 25 prove your asserion that sulekha.com is an RSS site. I would be careful with such wild assertions. Sulekha.com is currently on the nemy list of the right and of the left...this means that it is doing the right if it has irritated both sides.

Now Hire Purchase dont just lose the argument (you are going great) with wild assertions. Your ignorance was shown to all with your not knowing what alephnull`s are.

I had a great brunch and now I see that A-hole is reduced to responding to a guy who is filtered out already. Actually that is what A-hole’s level is. Both echo and A-hole excel in self-righteous dudgeon and disingenuous horseshit. They are both Twiddledumb and Twiddlephony. What ails Twiddledumb aka A-hole is not whether Pakistan is ruled by the elite or not (because every country is ruled by the elite and the days of his commie masters are long gone and none of them was from the laborer class anyway) but how he can channel his “impotent” rage.

I don’t know who is upper class or middle class on this site neither do I care but I sure know that A-hole is from the gutter class.

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So now gujju is going to teach me about America...

Rw_Dust,
Why do you have to prove that Yassar is from what class? Any serious problem?
I know several middle class guys and some guys from poor families go to American schools. What does that prove Raw_dust?

Fascist faujis and other ass-kisser types must be pretty desperate to invite this genocidal maniac and hindu religious nut to our country. Alas! What has naPak fauj turned our country into.

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#75 by HP on June 5, 2005 2:22pm PT


I had a great brunch


Is that what you`re calling a sandwich between fares? Get back to work now...stop goofing off or the taxicab commission will pull your medallion...

I can really swear t God that I am unable to recall if I have ever met any person in my life who suffers of inferiority complex to that extent than our Field Marshal in house Romair.

He never gets tired to prove with every conceivable statistical trick, every imaginable extrapolation and interpolation, every possible interpretation that being on chowk makes him and all other visitors some sort of elite.

Most probably he belongs to some chora family and is desperate to prove it otherwise.

Bragging about owning mobile to car to microwave oven to (English) newspaper subscription to having frequent flyer card to American Express to boasting about no of toilets in his room … nothing is substandard or personal for this crap to prove that he is no more a chora.

Yaar, 1001 times have we read about your social and financial promotion … please for God’s sake maaf kar do. Go seek some therapist … for your own good.

#77 by echoboom on June 5, 2005 2:26pm PT

It must suck to be a jihadi filled with impotent rage...


#76 by Urstruly on June 5, 2005 2:25pm PT


It must suck even more to be a jihadi filled with impotent rage knowing that your tax money is paying for whatever you`ve got your islamist undies in a knot over....