Advani in Karachi

Re: # 111

My dear HarishHyd...

As pointed out earlier... Pakistani Newspapers didn`t even carry the story on the front page and Dawn, Jinnah`s own paper, didn`t even carry the story... Indian papers carried it on front page. We took it for what it was... a diplomatic statement. You people on the other hand have made an issue out of it.

Please refrain from resorting to your old tactics.

Sincerely

YLH

#34 by AlephNull

[I pity those nincompoops who take his comments on Jinnah at face value. Pakistanis were his bakras in May 1998 and some still are today.]

Just because Vajpayee said India was willing to discuss Kashmir, Pakis triumphantly proclaimed that it was a tacit acceptance of Kashmir`s disputed nature. A few years into the peace process and India is nowhere close to renouncing Kashmir. In fact, Manmohan Singh has categorically ruled out any redrawing of borders. Now when Advani calls Jinnah a great/secular man, Pakis (especially Yasser) are jumping with joy assuming that India has finally accorded Jinnah the `rightful` place in the pantheon of titans of the Indian freedom struggle, but what they fail to realize is that the cunning Advani was merely pandering to the Paki chatterati. Indian leaders, especially seasoned ones like Advani and Vajpayee, are out and out politicians (Chanakyas if you will). They will say something while meaning exactly the opposite. But it doesn`t take too much to fool a Yasser, does it?

Re: # 113

Dear HP...

My very dear friend Harish Hyd is not to be confused with Harish Nambiar and/or Harimau Iyer.

What you`ve pointed to is an important matter. Advani seems to be an extremely stupid politician if what Misters Null and Hyd say is true. While he failed to make an impression on us (evident by the lukewarm response to Advani`s several statements about Jinnah over the past 2 days in Pakistani media)... he managed to commit political suicide at home where every newspaper carried his story on the frontpage apparently.

-YLH

#111 by harish_hyd
“what they fail to realize is that the cunning Advani was merely pandering to the Paki chatterati.”

I never thought Harish you could write such a thing. You disappoint me.
We take your and A-hole’s grand strategy of Advani deception on the face value then why are Indian newspapers full of his political obituary…
Should we call it the ultimate deception?
I like your invoking Chanakya though...

From HindustanTimes.com
“BJP President LK Advani’s measured statements during his visit to Pakistan appear to be a part of a well-thought out strategy to project him as the new secular messiah of this country. That this plan is not likely to succeed is evident from the fact that in trying to woo sections which have viewed him with suspicion all through, Advani has made the fundamental mistake of losing his own Hindu constituency.”
“But with his comments on Jinnah and Partition, Advani has hastened the process for his removal as BJP chief. Various constituents of the Sangh Parivar have already issued critical statements and posters have come up in Gujarat asking for his resignation. The man who was described by his opponents as the Hindu Jinnah is now, by singing praises for the real Jinnah, trying to become a martyr at the altar of secularism. This is how his removal is going to be projected by his supporters.”
“Advani may have to do a lot of explaining when he returns to India even though he has expressed his considered view. However, what could spell trouble for him is that in trying to search for a new image for himself, the man who liked to be compared to Sardar Patel has completely miscalculated.”
In his quest to be like Vajpayee, Advani seems to have lost his own identity. He has had his way several times in the past but this deviation from the basic beliefs of the RSS will spell the end of his political innings. The crafty politician whom many respected as the architect of the BJP’s growth has perhaps written his own political epitaph in Pakistan.

Re: # 118

``The difference: Pakistan`s dressed in military uniforms/business suits, India`s in dhotis. ``

I was commenting on the comparison you doled out.......which was not apt!!

Re: # 115

When Alephnull spoke of Pakistani kleptocratic elite... he was not talking of Pakistani generals alone... but was critical of all with a ``massive sense of entitlement`` a phrase that he coined ... to impress upon us his status as a first rate intellectual, which evidently not many consider him to be.

So your entire point is a wasted effort as usual.

Somebody compared the Indian Netas with the Paki Jernails and called them ``post colonial ``Kleptocratic`` elites``.
I`m afraid that one cannot compare the two just because both of them hold state power. It is just like comparing Churchill with Hitler- one was removed through peaceful elections and the other had to be removed by making every one go through that tragic World War.

Was that Advani`s daughter they were showing in Geo today, looked more like his wife. maybe a cheap swipe on myb part but honestly I believed it.

Re: # 119

Dear Harish

Not all Pakistanis have not been misled. Maybe just me ...

I checked most urdu papers etc... and also all the English papers... and to my disappointment scant attention was paid to the story... Dawn being the most indifferent.

In my defense, I can recall atleast 2 occasions prior to this in the last 2 years where Advani has discussed Jinnah and partition and said exactly the same thing.

-YLH

#113 by HP

[We take your and A-hole’s grand strategy of Advani deception on the face value then why are Indian newspapers full of his political obituary…]

The problem here is that the Indian media has been just as misled as Pakis have been. Or more likely, it is a deliberate ploy on his (and/or BJP`s) part to sow the seeds of confusion so no one notices the radical departure from his stated positions on issues such as Pakistan, Partition, and the TNT. For those familiar with the rough and tumble of Indian politics, it is easy to understand the game Advani played. In Pakistan, he played to the gallery and successfully transformed himself from a hawk into a dove and now when he`s back home, with a straight face he will claim that he`d been misquoted and retain the image of a hardliner. In the process, he`ll have made both the Pakis and Sangh Parivar happy. End of story.

Re: # 121

I do agree with you and it will be interesting how Advani will now dissociate himself from the very clear pronouncement he gave him in Karachi.

#120 by Mantolives

[In my defense, I can recall atleast 2 occasions prior to this in the last 2 years where Advani has discussed Jinnah and partition and said exactly the same thing.]

Yasser,

But you will agree with me that Advani is the most wily politician in the subcontinent (Laloo Yadav comes a close second), and he is as smart as they get. He is known to speak as the occasion demands and later retract at the first available opportunity. It remains to be seen what his comments are when he is grilled here in India.

Re: # 123

Shishapa,

If you were to read some unbiased history... you would find a view quite different from your current unfortunate and colored view. BTW Indians do have Gandhiji`s picture... and he is credited with being the first one to introduce religion (ironically against the advice of Jinnah himself) into politics in South Asian History.

The only person despicable is one who is unable to read history without one`s own biases.

-YLH

Re: # 123 sish
//...Mr. Advani and Mr. Jinnah fall in the same category of politicians. ...//

Not really ...... Jinnah`s politics built a new country [a country for muslim freaks, but a country none-the-less] but Advani`s politics would destabilize a good country, if carried to logical conclusion.

From India`s point of view - Jinnah was best thing that ever happened, jinnah was like a doctor of yore who cut the limb with festering wound. And advani was the worst thing that ever happened, who was trying bring the poison back into the already healed body.

Mr. Advani and Mr. Jinnah fall in the same category of politicians.
Both used religion to achieve their goals, Mr. Jinnah got a country and Mr. Advani catapulted his party to the power.
The more their thought process and type of thinking is discredited and discarded, the better for humanity.
They both have cause immense damage to the people on the Indian Subconitinent and both are disgusting and despicable characters.
Indians have done better, at least they do not hang Mr. Advani`s photo on the wall.

shishapa #123 To compare Advani to Jinnah is to compare a rotten apple to fine, flush red vitamin-rich gala apple. :-)