Mistri, Munshi, and Sipahi

Na Baap Bada Na Bhayya
Sabse Bada Ru-payyia

I have never read so much bullsh*t in my entire life and my recovery from `jet-lag` has been prolonged as a result of this article.I always knew that a majority of pakistanis are both dumb and stupid, and this article only reinforces my assumption.Thak God for Jinnah and his decision to partition.Phew!.

This was entertaining. I liked the way you divided it all. I wish my history books at were this much fun. Good read.

An interesting perspective presented in a thoroughly readable and enjoyable way. Well-written.

simplistic & sophistic

Temporal is right on the money. Those were the first words that came to my mind after reading this piece.

#7
1) Mistri: Bombay was a major port and industrial city when the british left. It had a booming textile and shipbuilding industry. The port of Bombay was a major logistic point during WWII.

2) Munshi: A large majority of Indian`s who went abroad to work for the british, went as indentured labor not as educated ``munshi`s``.

3)Sipahi: Indian division at the siege of Kut (Iraq, 1915) was the ``Poona`` division. Maharaja of Jodhpur`s troops fought at Monte Cassino, there are many many more examples.

Not just simplistic, this analysis is simply wrong.

Chinese may be accomplished factory-workers but calling Pakis as accomplished soldiers is kind of a stretch. I mean pakis fought 4 wars with banias and lost all of them and half the country in the process. That`s hardly a resume for self-proclaimed ``sipahis``.

Only thing pakis used to be good for is jihad. They had some spectacular successes in waging jihad ..... driving soviets out, blasting world trade center ... etc. But even that is gone now.

this reminds me of the martial races concept so favoured by the pakistani elite - that half the country was lost. And not a single war was won. And yes 1 pak soldier was equivalent to 10 bania soldiers.

Chowk staff is allowing racial stereo-types to take hold on FP articles Sad indeed.

incorrect but interesting. kind of gives an idea of a mindset.

The articles conclusions certainly follow from the well-known stereotypes. And indeed there is an element of truth to these stereotypes, historically speaking.

But...we live in an age when historical stereotypes are being shattered - thus, 50 years ago the Japanese were the fighters and the occupation forces and Jews were the businessmen, and today it is the other way around.

This is a provocative article.I dont blame cayenne for showing his anger.

#7 and #8 had put the things in right perspective.

Majority of doctors of foreign origin in USA and UK are from the country of ``munshis``
and those working in IT sector in the silver valley are software engineers.

North East was guarded by Sikh regiment.

Only worthwhile sepahis and jarnails in th area which is now Pakistan were sikhs who crossed the border in 1947.

What a load of crap. This article shows just how stupid is the average ``educated`` Pakistani. Funnily enough, I`ve never heard ``uneducated`` Pakistanis say much of this kind of BS.

Since I don`t have time to point out all of the errors here, let me pick a couple to illustrate my point. As far as loyal and capable soldiers go, the ones that beat the Sikhs, the Mahrattas, the Pathans, the Gurkhas, and everyone else that dared to go against the Company Bahadur were recruited mainly from Oudh (i.e., mainly UP: poorbiyas) for the infantry and a lot of Ranghars for the cavalry. The Martial Races nonsense didn`t start until well after the Mutiny.

How desperate is Chowk that this kind of 8th grade ``analysis`` is making it on the front page?

``Only worthwhile sepahis and jarnails in th area which is now Pakistan were sikhs who crossed the border in 1947``

I know this article perpetuates stereotypes but this is the funniest statement i have read.
Field Marshall Auchenlik used to say that the best soldier in India is the Punjabi Mussalman for he possess the three qualities of bravery, intelligence and loyalty one of which were missing in all the others (including sikhs).

#14 by hindvi

[Field Marshall Auchenlik used to say that the best soldier in India is the Punjabi Mussalman for he possess the three qualities of bravery, intelligence and loyalty one of which were missing in all the others (including sikhs).]

Isn`t that again a stereotype? And we all know that the Paki Army is predominantly Punjabi Mussalman, how come they haven`t been able to defeat India even once? Is it that they lacked one of the ``three qualities`` Field Marshal Auchenlik mentioned?

Harish

offcourse its a stereotype, thats why I quoted it. (Though because it came from Auchenlik, who fought in two world wars and was CnC British Indian Army it is given weight by some).

PS: I am not Punjabi, just wanted to burst Mr LokRaj`s bubble.

But there is some truth to this article, atleast from an economic perspective.