Mukhtaran Mai vs. the Rest of Pakistan

Re: # 5
``General`` was like fish out of water but now he can catch his breath. He must thank ``PM`` because of him Mutharan was been denied for U.S Visa.

many years ago i took my mother to visit our relatives in jhang, the women of the family were saying they rarely go out because the people around here are jaanglee?. now i know what they meant.

just to show that things are equally bad (or the ummah is equally mad) on the wrong side of the border ....... the latest from BBC

Woman `ordered to marry rapist` !

An Indian woman who was allegedly raped by her father-in-law is now being ordered by a Muslim council of community elders to marry him. The council says under Islamic law the rape has nullified her marriage, according to media reports.

But a top Muslim body in India has rejected the argument saying it is not valid under Sharia (Islamic) law.

It says the council was not authorised to give such a verdict and added that the alleged rapist should be punished.

Reports say the 28-year-old woman was raped when she was alone at home in Charthawal, in the norther Indian state of Uttar Pradesh.

hamidm #18 I think some people here took you literally though. and are now certain that mukhtaran mai is the result of a conspiracy of the dreaded TPI Department of the secret NGO-US complex. ha! ha!

(TPI = Tarnish Pakistan`s Image Department).

Re: # 28

uh ????????

I cannot beleive what type of statemnets i just read. Emotional and unreal. Mukhtaran Mai is a symbol of struggle. That is unacceptable for me as till now she did nothing except to promote herself and her locality. Let me clear one thing that these incidents are common in the areas like these and what Mukhtaran Mai did to stop them. Nothing. A single school is sufficient to say that she is working hard. A poloce chowky is what she got for her village or herself. People that are arrested as the supposed criminals were mostly not involve in the incident. It is the police who to show efficieny arrested the head of the MAUSTAI who left the PANCHAIT. Moreover it was not a PANCHIAT. It was just the people of family of MAUSTAI who gathered and there hesr FAIZ BAKISH MAUSTAI left the PANCHAIT on this decision of the family member that did it.
People are getting there own benefits from this incidents and Mukhtaran Mai is just another THING for them.

I cannot beleive what type of statemnets i just read. Emotional and unreal. Mukhtaran Mai is a symbol of struggle. That is unacceptable for me as till now she did nothing except to promote herself and her locality. Let me clear one thing that these incidents are common in the areas like these and what Mukhtaran Mai did to stop them. Nothing. A single school is sufficient to say that she is working hard. A poloce chowky is what she got for her village or herself. People that are arrested as the supposed criminals were mostly not involve in the incident. It is the police who to show efficieny arrested the head of the MAUSTAI who left the PANCHAIT. Moreover it was not a PANCHIAT. It was just the people of family of MAUSTAI who gathered and there hesr FAIZ BAKISH MAUSTAI left the PANCHAIT on this decision of the family member that did it.
People are getting there own benefits from this incidents and Mukhtaran Mai is just another THING for them.

Let me be devil’s advocate here.

For fear of being called insensitive, here is the truth: Mai so far, has made approx Rs. 2 Crores. She did open a school but there is no teacher in that school and if the school is in the same village she lived at the time of rape, there is not going to be any student there too. Folks would not send their kids to be on TV all the time.
If Mai visits Europe and the US, I am looking at another Rs.10 Crores that she would collect in the West.
That is a benefit to her and some justice also.

But the real benefits are:

The Human rights commission in Pakistan would gain instant international approval, recognition, and many donations.

The plight of women in Pakistan would be highlighted and that would be a huge blow to Islamist and the Mullah in Pakistan.

Her visit would provide another great opportunity to open yet another assault on Hudood and Zina laws. These laws must be repealed in Pakistan.

It may also provide an opportunity to get Blasphemy law out of the books in Pakistan.

Overall people Christina Rocca by pressuring the Pak govt has set the stage for a major assault on the fundamentalists and fundamentalism in Pakistan.

All Pakistanis and Indians on this site to please consider showing up at her appearances in your city, whenever she comes to the US. Donate money and if possible, alert local newspapers and media about her visit to your city.

Re: # 24
You have made an excellent rebuttal. Bravo!

Re: # 16
re: fnahmad:

You raise one seemingly valid point. If a court of law has ruled that the charge of gang rape is invalid, then that should lend an element of finality to the matter. However, if a judge who acquits a blasphemy accused is shot dead [1] and no one is brought to book on the matter (or so it seems, please correct me if anyone was convicted for this offense of shooting dead a sitting Judge of the Lahore High Court), if the Bishop of Faisalabad is so moved against the justice delivery system of Pakistan as to commit suicide[2] in front of it, then would you say that the justice delivery system in Pakistan is beyond reproach ? that the judges deliver justice without fear of the consequence, regardless of the view of the overwhelmingly powerful class / gender ?

You say:

/// [NGOs] r alwayz ready 2 exploit ne issue tht can defame the motherland. ///

This holy reverence for the ``motherland`` makes me sick. Gang rape, whether it happens in Sui or Manipur, Meerwala or Jaipur [3] is an abominable crime. To deal with reality by saying that it doesn`t happen here, hamare mard sab shareef hain is just escapism and worse, the provision of a shield for those who contemplate such brutality. Confront the rot in our societies, strike out against the ``root cause`` which impels courts in our countries to, for instance, acquit the accused in the Jaipur case referred to above on the grounds that ``an upper caste man could not have defiled himself by raping a lower-caste woman.``, and our countries will fear infamy less.

[Oh, and completely off topic but ...

The more repressed our population and the more illicit sex becomes, the more acts such as this will spread. The more we limit the space for the rightful expression of female sexuality, the more we will believe that women actually mean yes when they say no (because we do not allow our women to say yes).]

Motherland. bah.

`` Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!`` Albert Einstein

``You`ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.`` George Bernard Shaw

[1] http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/97/1024/feat5.html
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/88890.stm
[3] http://people.indiatimes.com/quickies/msid-1106493.cms

The cat`s outta the bag.......

Pakistan on Wednesday lifted a travel ban on the victim of a notorious gang rape after key ally the United States strongly condemned attempts to prevent her from leaving the country.
The turnaround came less than a day after Mukhtaran Mai, who was raped on the orders of a tribal jury in 2002, called on the government to remove her name from its so-called exit control list.

US Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian affairs Christina Rocca had also said Washington was ``dismayed`` that Mai was stopped from going to the United States at the invitation of rights group Amnesty International.

``On a directive by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, the name of Mukhtaran Mai has been removed from the exit control list,`` Aziz`s spokesman told AFP without elaborating

http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13872764

Hamidm,
I love it. Such sarcasm!
You are almost a turn on. Dont worry, I know you are my dad`s age.

Naeem Sadiq Sahib,
Bravo.
An extremely well written article. It is comprehensive in its scope, caustic in its critique; and reeks of truths a majority of Pakistanis are petrified to confront.
May God bless Mukhtar Mai with strength and fortitude.
Allah ki nagri mein der hai, Andhair nahi.

Her story is similar to the gang rape of Sanvari Devi of Rajasthan, India.
The cries of ``Mannay Nyae chahiye`` ( I want justice). These cries portrayed in the movie Bawandar by Nandita Das echo the cries of Mukhtar Mai. The gang rapists were released in Sanvari Devi`s case, yet she kept on doing the social work in her village and neighboring villages. Such parallels between two women.

Re: # 11
Could you do us all a favor?
Write in English comprehensible to us. What is this chicken Shit?

#18 by hamidm2

ROTFL!! Welcome back Hamid Sahib. We missed you here. This one really cracked me up.

i smell a conspiracy here (and there and everywhere) ...........

........ it is the zionist-cia-hindoo axis of evil at work once again to discredit the motherland, the ummah, the prophet, the archangle gabriel and the good people of meerwala ....... and this time they are using the ngo cabal of baa-baa black sheeps, haramzadays, ghulam zadays and goora goo-chatters led by a woman of dubious character - asma jehangir - to pursue their nefarious designs ............. this.... this horrible woman is going to ruin pakistan unless someone stops her - unfortunately the only people who can stop her are busy blowing themselves up in kirkuk and baghdad ...............

....... but here is what really happened : mukhtaran mai is a woman of bad character (bad-challan aurat) who had consensual sex with half a dozen men and then walked out naked into the street as instructed by her handlers in langley, tel aviv and new delhi - this is the same crowd that planned 9-11 and started the aids epidemic in africa (and conspired with the sargodah board to deny my nephew a first division in his matriculation exam) ................. fortunately for us the courts in pakistan, which are known the world over for their sense of justice and fair play, recognized this conspiracy against the motherland and acquitted the poor men who had been seduced by this mata hari from meerwala ..............

...... bhaiyo and sisters, we must always be vigilant against the designs of the axis of evil which hates our way of life and is out to destroy it - first they tried to make our men impotent by putting powder in our pl-480 atta, then they tried to kill our children by contaminating polio drops, then the ngo`s tried to get our women to run around the streets of gujranwala in halter tops and sneakers, and now this................