My Harvard Reunion

Re: # 88

Khabutarbazi is in decline in Karachi due to congustion of people. One thing necessary for flying ( Udanake liye) is free space where they can fly and come back. There are no places left for Khabutars. Ideally It should be along a creek or river where Place has no material value. ( Its not possible to rent for placing and tending your birds. River Malir banks can be ideal place as birds like to make few rounds over place get height and they go hugging the land almost like fighter planes avoiding radars and they just pull up themself to get height to avoud bridges. Its thrilling to see the good team of these birds and its addictive and I was and still addict. Also we need people who have good money and lots of time to tend and look after them. Areal Khabutarbaz atleast spends 6 hours at that place. In todays fast world people have no time and money. The real estate has really put dent on this hobby. As no open spaces are left as earlier times. Also the need feed ( which consists of dals, wheat, sorgham, mooth is becoming very costly.). It still great fun to control and send once flock and specially during beginning of running season with many young birds first time and at first fights ( mixing) real Bajiwalla like me is as much concerned as fate of India/Pakistan atom war. I really use to get tension when good young bird is missing after first flight its like missing your daughter. And it so great joy see your young trained birds missing finally suddenly appearing in sky and gravitating to your place. Its just like in classical music after initial AAlap the singer starts picking up bols and goes on Pakkad and your ears feel joy. Then you remark this young bird has promise I asways said and then we discuss what may have happened why he didnot depart and start split at proper time .
There are always stories traded about such things and one remenescences about loss of your favorite leader bird hitting some fixed object in River etc.

Mr. ASO1 I do not want to go to much in that as we are talking about important things like Harward or IIT college. IT wrong and imappropriate when people are discussing big problems or topics. If you need really good Khabutors I know people who can sell some Khabutoors with ``Rings`` in eyes ( smart intelligent leader birds). I have seen Imported Ring `` Nilas`` from Hyderbad Deccan/ India and they are great birds. They have great leadership in grazing flights and quite good size and big nosal feature.

Sorry really This is little things compared to big colleges and You should try for Harward or IIT or any us college.
Good luck

Re: # 92
Either you have ADD or you are just trying to score a point that is not clear to me.

Finale:
In my opinion based on my experiences, an IIT B. Tech graduate in India, when in job can be expected to behave more elitist/snobbish than an American graduate from Harvard or some other so called Ivy leagues. This could be due to cultural differences also. Of course there are exceptions to this statement.

Re: # 91
What an idiot !
So if they should not be called IITians then what else can you call them? And by the way, aren`t harvard graduates are called harvard graduates for rest of their lives? And aren`t yale graduates called yalies? So what is so elite about an IITian being called IITian?

Re: # 90
You and others have tried to steer the conversation with a twist.
It is obvious that sudents themselves might not be elitist but once they graduate they are called IITians etc. That is where the elitism comes from.

#76 by delhiwala on July 4, 2005 7:37pm PT


As far as elitism of IIT/IAS is concerned, I observered it by meeting and interacting with them.


You seem to be moving the goalposts..Now you`ve added IAS to the mix...anyway..Did you interact with them before of after they got into the IIT...if they were snobbish SOBs before they got in, you`d have a point...

Fact is, a lot of average middle class students work their tails off to get into the IITs..the IITs are their ticket out of the middle class...

Same thing with the NBA...lots of poor black kids work their tails off to make it in the NBA...does the NBA promote elitism? the NHL sure as heck does...not many kids from the hood who can afford the gear and the facilities....

Re: # 87
You are learning quickly from Salim ;)

Re: # 72

Madani Sahib:

Glad to know that you are feeling better. Please keep writing/posting here. Are you still in to Kabutarbazi?

GREAT JOB DILLIDOST!
:)

i did know one harvard grad..he was even in the crimson crew, who drove a cab. he was an english major, and could only get a secy type job...for wall-street trainees with english major you needed some family influence he claimed. so he was enrolled in big-rig school while driving a cab, since it paid better than secy jobs, and more fun. like all lit majors he was collecting material for his great novel ;-)

Re: # 72 ahmed

``And normally passangers do not like whining drivers as they have -ve attitude so they do not get paid tip as they are not pleasant and do not rush and open door fast for passanger to come out. Lots MBAs from usa are Lafangas``

i found this very funny .....keep writing your posts are really hilarious.

Re: # 80

Is that Kala you are talking about?
Dr Cheema was my Masad Jee.

#81 hmm i see, no more ``chillians`` to harvard then? heh heh..

Re: # 72 `` I was born intelligent, education ruined me. `` ;)

This is what a harvard grad has written??.I shall not send my children to harvard.To community college it is.And they are getting their wordly education on the streets of Mumbai.No b*llshit here, people.

Re: # 78

Sorry to hear about Dr Harcharan Singh. You make me nostalgic.When I joined,the first introductory lecture was by him and he asked us to write an essay that ``why I want to become a doctor.`` I still remember almost every line of what I wrote 25 years ago.
Throughout,his emphasis used to on how to become a good doctor.

One of my friends(was very senior to me) joined M.D. in S.P.M. after having done M.D. in pediatrics, just to work with Dr. Harcharan Singh.He(my friend) is still one of the vry few who have double M.D.

Re: # 76
If I remember correctly, percentage of middle class and poor students in IITs is much higher than the same in Harvard/Cambridge etc. (Please compare the tution fees of IITs with Harvard/Cambridge). Do you agree with this fact or not? If you do, then how do IITs become more elitist than Harvard?

Secondly, If YOU THINK that IIT educated students become elitist AFTER they graduate from that institute, that still does NOT make IITs THEMSELVES elitist or promoters of elitism. Please look up the definition of elitism. They may become elitist in their LATER lives, but in no way do you have to have an elite background to get into IITs. In fact, most of the students in IITs are from middle class. The rest are from poor classes. The rich elite kids attend Harvard and Cambridge because their daddies can afford it, whether the kids have brains or not.