Ozer Khalid June 30, 2005
#1 Posted by cayenne on June 30, 2005 11:38:45 pm
Cut the crap, Ozer.I was `there`, i have scars to remind me for the rest of my life.Part of the reason i`m `here` is my search to find what makes people like the terrorists who struck that day `tick`, so to speak.Those people were terrorists and whoever is associated even accidentally will bear the burden of suffering by retaliatory forces.What we give out we get.What comes around goes around.I have no sympathy for the Afghans, Iraqis and all those in the middle east/pakistan part of the muslim world who are allowed,either by apathy or hatred by the general population, to forment terrorism on others.If the middle east muslims believe in their causes there are other means to pursue them.Not by formenting terrorism.Screw them all.
#2 Posted by BeeJay on July 1, 2005 12:46:48 am
Dear Ozer,
Let me wipe (or perhaps mop) those tears! But wait – let me go get my buckets first! This one is so highly “inspiring”! If you don’t believe me, just read below!
BeeJay
(Benign Janitor)
- - - -
Ozer, Ozer, we love you so!
O how we wish, you’d NEVER go!
(And if you go, we cry boo-hoo!)
((Psst!) Doctor Lok Raj especially so)
(Who likes not count, but loves mango!)
So sweet thy tongue – behold and lo
If only were it forked not so!
Ozer, Ozer, we love you so!
[Why not also have 10 years of silence for the decade long embargo on Babylon. A once Blessed Baghdad now pregnant with torture and killing….]
And where were you, O great, great knight
When Saddam’s thumb crushed rank and file
For sure, O sir, yes you Ozer
Now THAT was just internal stuff
You see we judge situations so!
[Why not mourn for the dead victims of Kashmir?
The wail of a valley. A valley where too many tears turn to blood….]
O how you break my heart, so sweet
Now ask Abdul to hold acid
Acid on face of sweet, sweet lass
Hark, Ozer only saves HIS ass!
[If you want a moment of silence
Then take it from the echo of my voice….]
And how that voice is never done
A thousand words, when much is one!
[A million and a half years of silence for the million and-a-half Iraqi people….]
Silence, silence golden indeed
Sweet Ozer, prove your word in DEED!
#3 Posted by patwari on July 1, 2005 1:05:30 am
I am not against the sentiment of the poem feeling but after so many years go by after 9/11 this seem so outdated.
#4 Posted by CD_Lion on July 1, 2005 3:11:26 am
(Enter the Lion)
Lion (L): Sniff, sniff…
L: (Ears perked up) [….tigers from Oslo]
L: (Disappointed) Oh, only paper tigers!
L: (Ears perked up) [….hundreds bite…]
L: (Disappointed) Oh, only dust!
L: (Ears perked up) […. hunters with hungry intent.]
L: (Disappointed) Oh, only diplomats!
L: (Ears perked up) […Bones buried in it.]
L: (Disappointed) Oh, only devastation!
L: (Ears perked up) […Keep on slaying]
L: (Animated) Bravo! ROAR!!! ROAR!!! (Bounds off)
(Exit the lion)
#5 Posted by kulsumbeig on July 1, 2005 4:01:05 am
Ozer
You are normally the ``voice of moderation`` but here you have gone down the slippery slope of conservatism. You are talking about the plight of people around the world and cozily pointing the finger at the ``West``. That is too easy a route to tread, and you, like many others before you have this irritating habit of blaming the West and Uncle Sam for everything.
Be more rational and pragmatic in your reasoning, stop resorting to melodrama, one-sidedness and crocodile tear-jerking. Eastern regimes are no more benevolent. Rulers, wherever they may be are guilty of similar attrocities. Your geographical anachronisms are stale and dated. Your political short-sightedness is vapid.
You are normally the ``voice of moderation`` but here you have gone down the slippery slope of conservatism. You are talking about the plight of people around the world and cozily pointing the finger at the ``West``. That is too easy a route to tread, and you, like many others before you have this irritating habit of blaming the West and Uncle Sam for everything.
Be more rational and pragmatic in your reasoning, stop resorting to melodrama, one-sidedness and crocodile tear-jerking. Eastern regimes are no more benevolent. Rulers, wherever they may be are guilty of similar attrocities. Your geographical anachronisms are stale and dated. Your political short-sightedness is vapid.
#7 Posted by scout on July 1, 2005 6:48:23 am
ozer,
you failed to include moments of silence for the shias killed by sunnis in pakistan, female infanticide in india, and honor killings in pakistan, and i don`t know if you mention the thousands of people killed by saddam, maybe you did, the whole `poetry` thing was a bit too much.
although i can understand your anguish and sentiments, kulsumbeig does have a point about political myopia
you failed to include moments of silence for the shias killed by sunnis in pakistan, female infanticide in india, and honor killings in pakistan, and i don`t know if you mention the thousands of people killed by saddam, maybe you did, the whole `poetry` thing was a bit too much.
although i can understand your anguish and sentiments, kulsumbeig does have a point about political myopia
#8 Posted by scout on July 1, 2005 6:51:44 am
and i also think it`s offensive to put a time to silence, `moment of silence` vs. `lifetime of silence`
what are you trying to say? four thousand innocent people killed for nothing on a tuesday morning just deserve a moment because they are non-muslim?
this whole `moment of silence,` `month of silence,` `lifetime of silence`
you go against your claim that every human life is precious by attributing specific lengths of `silences`
what are you trying to say? four thousand innocent people killed for nothing on a tuesday morning just deserve a moment because they are non-muslim?
this whole `moment of silence,` `month of silence,` `lifetime of silence`
you go against your claim that every human life is precious by attributing specific lengths of `silences`
#9 Posted by husnaangelique on July 1, 2005 7:12:51 am
Ozer
An evocative, powerful and thought-provoking poem. A clearly well-researched piece....it seems you are quite interested by Latin America. I guess space was a constraint for you. You overlooked one important part of the globe: South East Asia. Your poem could have made a brief mention highlighting the plight of the people in South East Asia, like the dictatorial military junta in Burma, what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge did in Campbodia, Indonesia`s treatment of East Timor, Thaksin`s regime in Thailand and Lee Kwan Yu`s heavy-handedness in Singapore.
Nonetheless this poem is one of the best I have read thus far.......here you are truly at your best. Dont be phased by all these cyber-junkies who don`t cut you any slack. A lot of whom love to rumour-monger about you. You are a talented poet....keep on writing. Keep up the spirit.
An evocative, powerful and thought-provoking poem. A clearly well-researched piece....it seems you are quite interested by Latin America. I guess space was a constraint for you. You overlooked one important part of the globe: South East Asia. Your poem could have made a brief mention highlighting the plight of the people in South East Asia, like the dictatorial military junta in Burma, what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge did in Campbodia, Indonesia`s treatment of East Timor, Thaksin`s regime in Thailand and Lee Kwan Yu`s heavy-handedness in Singapore.
Nonetheless this poem is one of the best I have read thus far.......here you are truly at your best. Dont be phased by all these cyber-junkies who don`t cut you any slack. A lot of whom love to rumour-monger about you. You are a talented poet....keep on writing. Keep up the spirit.
#10 Posted by avkrishna on July 1, 2005 7:30:31 am
How about an `appropriate` amount of silence for Hindus killed over the ages across the world by Islamic and Christian fundamentalists?
#11 Posted by Urstruly on July 1, 2005 9:04:09 am
Assuming that Ameican`s own concervative estimates of 120,000+ Iraqis deaths since Americans ``freed`` them on March 20, 2003, are correct; and the number of months US has been in Iraq is 30. Which means that with an average 4000 Iraqi deaths per month, Americans are potentially causing a 9/11 every month in Iraq.
poem please....
#12 Posted by OzerKhalid on July 1, 2005 9:35:41 am
Re: # 10
AV KRISHNA
You hit the nail on the metaphorical head. Foolhardy would be the souls who dismiss the fact that violence is waged against Hindus and Sikhs who are gruellingly massacred in Jammu & Kashmir and elsewhere. 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits in refugee camps without evenhandedness, unfortunately any type of ehtnic, class, religion and caste-based grandstanding inflates the ego away from truism and justice. Underneath this shady veneer lies political ambition and ill-fated nationalism.
Society needs more Arundhati Roy`s, martyrs en route to greater things. Planned shows of consciousness by political heavyweights never cuts the mustard. And lip-service gesturing is the satire we breath-
Day in. Day out.
All ethnicities, classes, castes and religions have a part to play in these toxic acts of violence. Gujarat is a case in point. I remember that India Today reported that A group of outsiders from the far-right extremist leaning Deobandi Tableeghi Muslim sect sieged the mosques in Godhra and deliberately inflamed passions and inflated theological egos. 500 cows were slaughtered illegally in Bharuch in February. Many plots are conveniently foiled by the media. This is the essence of my poem.
The question AV krishna is why are these apparent facts, such as the Godhra massacre and other anti-Sikh anti-Hindu anti-Muslim anti-Buddhist communal conflagrations not debated in the media ?
AV KRISHNA
You hit the nail on the metaphorical head. Foolhardy would be the souls who dismiss the fact that violence is waged against Hindus and Sikhs who are gruellingly massacred in Jammu & Kashmir and elsewhere. 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits in refugee camps without evenhandedness, unfortunately any type of ehtnic, class, religion and caste-based grandstanding inflates the ego away from truism and justice. Underneath this shady veneer lies political ambition and ill-fated nationalism.
Society needs more Arundhati Roy`s, martyrs en route to greater things. Planned shows of consciousness by political heavyweights never cuts the mustard. And lip-service gesturing is the satire we breath-
Day in. Day out.
All ethnicities, classes, castes and religions have a part to play in these toxic acts of violence. Gujarat is a case in point. I remember that India Today reported that A group of outsiders from the far-right extremist leaning Deobandi Tableeghi Muslim sect sieged the mosques in Godhra and deliberately inflamed passions and inflated theological egos. 500 cows were slaughtered illegally in Bharuch in February. Many plots are conveniently foiled by the media. This is the essence of my poem.
The question AV krishna is why are these apparent facts, such as the Godhra massacre and other anti-Sikh anti-Hindu anti-Muslim anti-Buddhist communal conflagrations not debated in the media ?
#13 Posted by OzerKhalid on July 1, 2005 9:44:18 am
Re: # 11
Urstruly note that at least 5,000 civilians have been slaughtered ``during`` the invasion of Iraq alone. As more evidence is collated, month by month this figure tilts toward 10,000.
Iraq Body Count (IBC), a volunteer group of US intelligentsia painstakingly gathered this evidence which testifies, as you rightly point out, that a 9/11 occurs every month. But where are the sound bites now? Abu Ghraib is yet another feather in Uncle Sam`s tyrannical foreign policy cap.
Urstruly note that at least 5,000 civilians have been slaughtered ``during`` the invasion of Iraq alone. As more evidence is collated, month by month this figure tilts toward 10,000.
Iraq Body Count (IBC), a volunteer group of US intelligentsia painstakingly gathered this evidence which testifies, as you rightly point out, that a 9/11 occurs every month. But where are the sound bites now? Abu Ghraib is yet another feather in Uncle Sam`s tyrannical foreign policy cap.
#14 Posted by OzerKhalid on July 1, 2005 10:07:12 am
Re: # 7
Scout
Honor killings in Pakistan are shameful while patriarchs are fleeing, assassins are brandishing their venom through age-old Hudood Ordinances introduced during Zia`s epoch. Police constables and law enforcers with greased palms turn deaf dumb and blind to the nauseating reality. Masi Mai is merely one instructive case in point.
As for female infanticide in India, the Atharva Veda postulates: ``The birth of a girl, grant elsewhere; here, grant a boy`` The repugnancy and travesty of female infanticide is rooted in the Vedic period. Moments of gender discrimination are evidenced in the writings of Manu. The prevalent and prostituted philosophy in most societies, of Eastern or Western persuasion, is that the female is under the custody of males
From womb to tomb.
In patrilineal-ravaged societies like South Asia archaic traditions from time immemorial coupled with a staggering demand for dowry exacerbates the perpetuation of infanticide.
The malevolent attitude vis-a-vis women is especially rampant in Tamil Nadu and Bihar. In Rajasthan, mostly amongst the Rajputs who enjoy a majority there, daughters of life are seen as a
Burden of nature.
Scout
Honor killings in Pakistan are shameful while patriarchs are fleeing, assassins are brandishing their venom through age-old Hudood Ordinances introduced during Zia`s epoch. Police constables and law enforcers with greased palms turn deaf dumb and blind to the nauseating reality. Masi Mai is merely one instructive case in point.
As for female infanticide in India, the Atharva Veda postulates: ``The birth of a girl, grant elsewhere; here, grant a boy`` The repugnancy and travesty of female infanticide is rooted in the Vedic period. Moments of gender discrimination are evidenced in the writings of Manu. The prevalent and prostituted philosophy in most societies, of Eastern or Western persuasion, is that the female is under the custody of males
From womb to tomb.
In patrilineal-ravaged societies like South Asia archaic traditions from time immemorial coupled with a staggering demand for dowry exacerbates the perpetuation of infanticide.
The malevolent attitude vis-a-vis women is especially rampant in Tamil Nadu and Bihar. In Rajasthan, mostly amongst the Rajputs who enjoy a majority there, daughters of life are seen as a
Burden of nature.
#15 Posted by bongdongs on July 1, 2005 10:52:31 am
Paki sala Paki rahega, he can feel pain for Agentinians and Chileans but nothing about the monumental scale murder, rape and pillage they commited in Bangladesh. Or closer home the entire destruction of a nation and a people in the name of ``strategic depth``.
this bugger knows about Zapatistas in Chiapas or Iraqi`s in Falluja but mention Kaluchak, Hazara`s or kunduz, he will have to reach for google.
this bugger knows about Zapatistas in Chiapas or Iraqi`s in Falluja but mention Kaluchak, Hazara`s or kunduz, he will have to reach for google.
#16 Posted by khamkhwa. on July 1, 2005 11:37:19 am
khwaja sera...
i can see kulsumbeig and husnaangelique here...waiting for thunder, spiritualgypsey,sarahhashwani,moazzammudasar and last but not the least hamidm...;)
i can see kulsumbeig and husnaangelique here...waiting for thunder, spiritualgypsey,sarahhashwani,moazzammudasar and last but not the least hamidm...;)
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