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It is time a group of NRI pooled in resources to exterminate Dawood and his henchmen from Karachi and Dubai by taking the services of ex-army men...........................................................shame on India for not eliminating this ISI pest for long................................



D-wedding: Love wins over villian ISI
MOHUA CHATTERJEE

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NEW DELHI: For Dawood Ibrahim`s daughter Mahrukh and Javed Miandad`s son Junaid, engaged to be married in Karachi soon, it was like a script out of Bollywood`s potboilers

Re: # 265 Would Japanese have done to us any worse than we did to ourselves in 1947?

It is time a group of NRI pooled in resources to exterminate Dawood and his henchmen from Karachi and Dubai by taking the services of ex-army men...........................................................shame on India for not eliminating this ISI pest for long................................



D-wedding: Love wins over villian ISI
MOHUA CHATTERJEE

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, JUNE 23, 2005 12:14:30 AM ]

Surf `N` Earn -Sign innow

NEW DELHI: For Dawood Ibrahim`s daughter Mahrukh and Javed Miandad`s son Junaid, engaged to be married in Karachi soon, it was like a script out of Bollywood`s potboilers

Re: # 269
BeeJay,
I agree with what Anil has said about the issue of refugee.
Govt. support or no Govt support,the fact remains that Kashmiri Hindus did not leave their homes because of their own free will.The circumstances created in the valley forced them to do so.Even if some of them got assistance,that does not change their status.For how many of them,the state help has been on a countinous basis and how many have gained the same social and financial status which they enjoyed in their home state.
One may have a different view of the role of militants,insurgents and state in creating the circumstances which forced them to leave their homes,but their status of refugees is un-questionable,at least according to my understanding.

Maharana #266 You write ``People who fought to undermine the british are called freedom fighters. People who support them are called stooges. `` So, what you hear people say is more important than what you would realize if you used a bit of common sense. This is mindset of a slave - a man who cant think for himself, but rather repeats what he hears others say.

Enough said. As you said, ``Adios``.

south asian: I agree that what we did to ourselves (kill half a million innocent people during partition) was bad. What the japs would have been done - assuming they would have treated indians no differently than they treated other countries they occupied - would have been several hundred times worse.

#278 by tahmed32

[What the japs would have been done - assuming they would have treated indians no differently than they treated other countries they occupied - would have been several hundred times worse.]

Enough said.

#279 that in fact is a perfectly reasonable assumption.

HP:
I have said it before and will say it again. Part of my problem with the Nehru heritage is that I also hold him responsible for the socio-economic backwardness of India`s Muslims and the rise of hindutva.

My years of training as a policy analyst has made me acutely sensitive to the intended and unintended effects of any program or policy. HIndutva practically died with Mahatma Gandhi. There was hardly any sympathiser of the RSS or Savarkar left when an RSS member killed Gandhi and Savarkar was arrested in the murder case. If Nehru had followed sensible policies, the universe would have unfolded quite differently. The need of the hour was to treat all religions equally, instead he treated Hindus and Muslims differently in matters of personal law and management of their places of worship and educational institutions. This created the seeds of a backlash; so when the slogan of pseudo-secularism was raised, the mud stuck. At the same time, Nehru did not do anything to increase the participation of Muslims in places that matter - jobs in police, army and civil service or to support a strong, mobile, multi-religious security force to quell communal trouble wherever it appeared, and it did appear quite regularly during Nehru`s time. Nehru had a soft corner for the likes of Jamiat-ul-ulema and other obscurantists and ignored the advice of progressive Muslims like M.C. Chagla. Thus Deobandis and Madrassas providing education with few job prospects flourished while the common Muslim man and woman was left behind.

Dost-mittar,

“The need of the hour was to treat all religions equally, instead he treated Hindus and Muslims differently in matters of personal law and management of their places of worship and educational institutions.”

I kind of agree with you but I have my own perspective on what Nehru did.

Even before the partition, Congress relied on the most regressive elements of the Muslims community for support. It neglected the educated Muslims who, though less in numbers, were becoming the most vocal group of Muslim community. Muslim League played right for them. The Pakistan’s support mainly came for the educated middle class in UP and Bihar or even in Bengal and all mullah were against it. People, who left India after the partition, were also the most educated Muslims of the minority province.
Nehru and congress’s assessment of the Muslim community was utterly wrong. Muslims were conservative and backwards but they were not about ready to make mullah their leader. Congress continued to rely on the same Mullah’s like Azad and JUI for support after the partition too.

Nehru personally, imo, had a soft corner for Muslims. He had special relations with Muslim Jagirdar families. Nawab Chitari and Raja sahib Mehmoodabad despite their support for Pakistan were also personal friends of Nehru. Nehru never engaged them in the pre-partition politics.
Since Nehru continued to work with Mullahs, he gave in to their regressive politics. He never tried to encourage western educated Muslims to come to the forefront. Imo, Two reasons for that: First Nehru believed that it was his responsibility to provide protection to Muslims after the partition and second he was so much under pressure by Azad and other mullahs that he could not even bring the western educated and somewhat secular Muslims into the Indian politics. He did bring Chaglla as the Kashmir affair minister but that was too late and Chagalla lacked the charisma to take on the leadership mantle.

So I would not blame Nehru entirely on his regressive policies about Muslims. He just continued with pre-partition congress policies and thought that he was helping Muslims in hostile environments after the partition.
Nehru was immensely popular in Muslims in India and especially in UP Muslims. Until date, you will not find Pakistani Mohajir bad mouth Nehru. He fancied himself as the Muslim leader and probably did not think about to bring the western educated Muslims on board after the partition. Nevertheless, he had so many issues after the partition to handle that he missed something right under his nose.

My take at this Pakistani mafiaso-

I would ask all those Indians who have been threatened by this Paki mafiaso to pool in their expected payoff money and give it to some ex-armymen to raise a squad of assasins to exterminate this mafiaso pest from Pakistan-

even if a group of 6-7 Indians could come together and pool in 10 lacs each all that would be sufficient to raise a group of vigilante to exterminate Dawood right in his own pureland............................

Tahmed # 277,

Surprising that people who do not support british are called slaves and the others freedom fighters. Thats the excuse slaves give to justify their boot licking actions every day.

I can understand the logic of pakistani population very well now.

Adios

Tahmed # 277,

Surprising that people who do not support british are called slaves and the others freedom fighters. Thats the excuse slaves give to justify their boot licking actions every day.

I can understand the logic of pakistani population very well now.

Adios

#270, #272, #276
Anil, Kaal, and Dr. LokRaj.

Thanks for being honest and courageous enough to provide me a response. I really appreciate it. It also helps me identify the few who are NOT members of the herd (or perhaps to put it in more janitorial terms, the male harem)!

I suppose I had been laboring under a certain illusion while (as happens in many detective stories) the truth was right there, staring me in the face all the time! A real eye-opener, this one!

I’ll do my level best to undo the damage that this crowd is so intent on inflicting on innocents – the REAL underdogs! In my view at this time, there are precious few of those poor creatures to be found in this virtual den of Islamist wolves (of all nationalities) who whore their better nature to their religious passions, while coming up with all kinds of euphemisms to cover it up! Well, they look VERY naked to me at this point!

And Anil, I don’t buy your statement that it is “courageous” to side with the devil, all it means that one is either an idiot (which I seriously doubt) or devil incarnate.

Jesus Christ, what a siren! And what a waste of such raw, raw talent! This is one moment I feel glad that the clock IS ticking!

Note: the above are MY personal views and I take full responsibility for them. Those who disagree are welcome to jump into a lake!

Mahrana #285 Kindly do not twist everything to suit your imagination. When I said you have a slavish mentality, I said that because you were following the widespread - and as I have explained, totally emotional and ill-informed views in India that the Japanese pawn bose was a hero simply because he was against the brits (regardless of the obvious facts) and that the Quit India movement was anything more than another monument to the parochial and narrow mindset of the Indian leaders (other than Jinnah, and in vast contrast to other world leaders including Asian leaders of the time like Mao Tse Tung and Ho Chi Minh and Soekarno who fought the Japanese tooth and nail rather than being fooled by Japanese and Nazi patronizing of Bose and their sweet talk about freeing Asia from europeans).

If you were to base your views on facts and common sense - in which case you would have had no option other than to agree to thethen I would not have said that you have a slavish mentality.

tahmed32:

``and narrow mindset of the Indian leaders (other than Jinnah,...)

tahmed saheb, I think that this is the upteenth time that you have found it necessary to qualify Jinnah as an exemption. As I said earlier, in the interest of truthful reporting, you should add Sarvarkar and RSS to Jinnah because that was the ``illustrious`` company in which Jinnah found himself at that time.