Ranjit Hira June 26, 2005
#70 Posted by shobig_sifar on June 28, 2005 6:42:23 am
Re: # 68 ...btw what on earth took Mr. Narendra Singh Sarila 58 long years to write the said book and expose all the concealed truth? Neik kaam mein deir kaisi? Is it really a book...or a `naama-i-aamaal` for the day of judgement?
regards
regards
#69 Posted by Netizen on June 28, 2005 6:41:02 am
Re: # 62 hindvi:
``by the way Dawood got no personal gain from the blasts, he was very comfortably ruling the mumbai underworld before the blasts. Thus muslims of bombay are rightly grateful to him for having sacrificed his comfort for their security``
by your argument, the day dawood dies, IMs (particularly bombay muslims) are going to face retaliation. There are no large scale riots in mumbai because of the bandobast /SRP/CRPF vans standing on guard 24 hrs at volatile spots all over mumbai. Congress has committed a mistake once they are not going to let Mulayam make a come back in mumbai. Dawood is nothing but a criminal, a enunch just like any other non-muslim mafiosi who like a leech sucks others blood. Its just another disgrace that he turned out to be an anti-national.
``by the way Dawood got no personal gain from the blasts, he was very comfortably ruling the mumbai underworld before the blasts. Thus muslims of bombay are rightly grateful to him for having sacrificed his comfort for their security``
by your argument, the day dawood dies, IMs (particularly bombay muslims) are going to face retaliation. There are no large scale riots in mumbai because of the bandobast /SRP/CRPF vans standing on guard 24 hrs at volatile spots all over mumbai. Congress has committed a mistake once they are not going to let Mulayam make a come back in mumbai. Dawood is nothing but a criminal, a enunch just like any other non-muslim mafiosi who like a leech sucks others blood. Its just another disgrace that he turned out to be an anti-national.
#68 Posted by shobig_sifar on June 28, 2005 6:38:41 am
The title of the article made me recall the agony that i went through as a kid, when i spent enldless nights unable to sleep, contemplating on how in God`s name did one man, Quaid-i-Azam, manage to build this whole big country?? What labour, what passion...where did he get all the bricks and the cement from? Ahh...sadly, a read through the article has made all that agony reprise...and now I feel bleakly perplexed again.
The writer seams to have confiscated a whole generation`s struggle for a series of events that barely encompassed a year.
Nevertheless ``What hath been done shall not be undone`` - so better let the sleeping dogs lie, and divert the course of your queries to the future rather than the past.
The writer seams to have confiscated a whole generation`s struggle for a series of events that barely encompassed a year.
Nevertheless ``What hath been done shall not be undone`` - so better let the sleeping dogs lie, and divert the course of your queries to the future rather than the past.
#67 Posted by Mike on June 28, 2005 6:35:16 am
Dear Mr.Hindvi ,
Expanding your logic on the justifcation of Mumbai Bomb Blasts and extolling the virtues of your role model Dawood Ibrahim , I hope you will be fair enough to acknowledge the greatness of Narendra Modi and the necessity for the massacre of 5000 muslims in Gujarat just to make sure there will be no more Godhras. Next time a couple of thousand muslim goons burn alive 50-60 hindu women and children anywhere in India , you now know what the response will be. And not even your boy Dawood or your mates at ISI can save you. Cheers !!
Expanding your logic on the justifcation of Mumbai Bomb Blasts and extolling the virtues of your role model Dawood Ibrahim , I hope you will be fair enough to acknowledge the greatness of Narendra Modi and the necessity for the massacre of 5000 muslims in Gujarat just to make sure there will be no more Godhras. Next time a couple of thousand muslim goons burn alive 50-60 hindu women and children anywhere in India , you now know what the response will be. And not even your boy Dawood or your mates at ISI can save you. Cheers !!
#66 Posted by stuka on June 28, 2005 6:16:13 am
It is that mafiaso that has prevented another anti muslim pogrom in bombay after the 92-93 riots in which thousands of the indian muslims you weep for were wiped out.
``The bomb blasts showed the other player in the local game that there would be repercussions to baring the machettes. They continued to talk of muslims with hatred after the blasts but this time the disdain was replaced with fear.
the reason every body and his uncle was pulling out foetuses in gujrat was that they knew there would be no repercusions.
by the way Dawood got no personal gain from the blasts, he was very comfortably ruling the mumbai underworld before the blasts. Thus muslims of bombay are rightly grateful to him for having sacrificed his comfort for their security. ``
Hinvi:
Let me flip that argument around then. To tell Pakistan that there will be repurcussions for fukking with us in Kashmir, we should slaughter Muslims in India. After all if Indian Muslims have right to go to Pakistan ISI for help in their fight with Hindus and Indian government, then we also have the right to maaro the gaand of Muslims in India for what Pakis do to us.
You think there was never ever Muslim retaliation aginst Hindus at Mohalla level in riots in Meerut or Bhiwandi? There have been Hindu Muslim riots in India since and periodically they will continue to happen. Mostly goonda badmash types of both communities settle scores. Even in Bombay in 1992, riots started in Muslim localties in December, the Hindu retaliation started in January. So not exactly a completly one sided affair.
You can either depend on civil society in India to recognize evil as it happens, recognize the imperfections of the society and try to solve them incrementally. Or you can go to your Paki Masters like Dawood Ibrahim did and live with the repurcussions. After all if Dawood could arrange for bomb blasts in Mumbai, why could he not do it in Gujarat? Where was Hindu fear then?
Choice is yours, you are either Indian and solve problems internally...or you go to Pakistan and create the impression of being stranded Pakistanis. (like Biharis in Bangladesh)
``The bomb blasts showed the other player in the local game that there would be repercussions to baring the machettes. They continued to talk of muslims with hatred after the blasts but this time the disdain was replaced with fear.
the reason every body and his uncle was pulling out foetuses in gujrat was that they knew there would be no repercusions.
by the way Dawood got no personal gain from the blasts, he was very comfortably ruling the mumbai underworld before the blasts. Thus muslims of bombay are rightly grateful to him for having sacrificed his comfort for their security. ``
Hinvi:
Let me flip that argument around then. To tell Pakistan that there will be repurcussions for fukking with us in Kashmir, we should slaughter Muslims in India. After all if Indian Muslims have right to go to Pakistan ISI for help in their fight with Hindus and Indian government, then we also have the right to maaro the gaand of Muslims in India for what Pakis do to us.
You think there was never ever Muslim retaliation aginst Hindus at Mohalla level in riots in Meerut or Bhiwandi? There have been Hindu Muslim riots in India since and periodically they will continue to happen. Mostly goonda badmash types of both communities settle scores. Even in Bombay in 1992, riots started in Muslim localties in December, the Hindu retaliation started in January. So not exactly a completly one sided affair.
You can either depend on civil society in India to recognize evil as it happens, recognize the imperfections of the society and try to solve them incrementally. Or you can go to your Paki Masters like Dawood Ibrahim did and live with the repurcussions. After all if Dawood could arrange for bomb blasts in Mumbai, why could he not do it in Gujarat? Where was Hindu fear then?
Choice is yours, you are either Indian and solve problems internally...or you go to Pakistan and create the impression of being stranded Pakistanis. (like Biharis in Bangladesh)
#65 Posted by masanamuthu on June 28, 2005 5:32:23 am
Whoever created Pakistan (whether it`s Jinnah/Nehru/Gandhi/British) they need to be appreciated by Indians.. I think V.S.Naipaul commented that partition was a good thing to happen..
Recently, A Muslim woman in Muzaffarnagar was raped by her father-in-law. Now the jamaat (and the AIMPLB) ruled according to the personal law, she is not fit to live with her husband anymore. They say this is what sharia law dictates.. Ofcourse, incest could happen in non-Muslim families too.. But can you imagine any party / board representing Hindus at the all-India level pass judgement like this. Won`t they be ridiculed ??..
Thank Allah that we got rid of 2/3rd of such folks.. I dread to think what could have happened if they had so much political power.. The whole debate about the direction of the country would have been centred around what Mr.Muhammad did in the 7`th century and how to apply it now..
Recently, A Muslim woman in Muzaffarnagar was raped by her father-in-law. Now the jamaat (and the AIMPLB) ruled according to the personal law, she is not fit to live with her husband anymore. They say this is what sharia law dictates.. Ofcourse, incest could happen in non-Muslim families too.. But can you imagine any party / board representing Hindus at the all-India level pass judgement like this. Won`t they be ridiculed ??..
Thank Allah that we got rid of 2/3rd of such folks.. I dread to think what could have happened if they had so much political power.. The whole debate about the direction of the country would have been centred around what Mr.Muhammad did in the 7`th century and how to apply it now..
#64 Posted by vagabond78 on June 28, 2005 1:18:32 am
Who gives a damn. They have their country and we have ours. But there`s minor matter of IMs who couldnt reconcile with the situation. Minor cos only a small minority of IMs dont think of India as their country. Even UP and Bihar, states which gave Muslim League its initial momentum during independence struggle, now have Mulayam and Laloo protecting the interests of minorities. Not to mention Kerala where Muslim league and Congress are ``natural allies`` against the Marxists.
What I mean is India has at least answered the fundamental questions on identity and the idea of nation-state. So we have a multi-enthic, multi-lingual, multi-cultural, multi-party anarchy-total chaos. Ideal receipe for disaster and disintegration for any other nation on earth, but it`s perfect for India.
What about Pakistan? Who gives a damn..
Cheers
What I mean is India has at least answered the fundamental questions on identity and the idea of nation-state. So we have a multi-enthic, multi-lingual, multi-cultural, multi-party anarchy-total chaos. Ideal receipe for disaster and disintegration for any other nation on earth, but it`s perfect for India.
What about Pakistan? Who gives a damn..
Cheers
#63 Posted by cayenne on June 27, 2005 11:52:30 pm
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#62 Posted by hindvi on June 27, 2005 11:37:46 pm
Mr Ballu
It is that mafiaso that has prevented another anti muslim pogrom in bombay after the 92-93 riots in which thousands of the indian muslims you weep for were wiped out.
The bomb blasts showed the other player in the local game that there would be repercussions to baring the machettes. They continued to talk of muslims with hatred after the blasts but this time the disdain was replaced with fear.
the reason every body and his uncle was pulling out foetuses in gujrat was that they knew there would be no repercusions.
by the way Dawood got no personal gain from the blasts, he was very comfortably ruling the mumbai underworld before the blasts. Thus muslims of bombay are rightly grateful to him for having sacrificed his comfort for their security.
adios.
It is that mafiaso that has prevented another anti muslim pogrom in bombay after the 92-93 riots in which thousands of the indian muslims you weep for were wiped out.
The bomb blasts showed the other player in the local game that there would be repercussions to baring the machettes. They continued to talk of muslims with hatred after the blasts but this time the disdain was replaced with fear.
the reason every body and his uncle was pulling out foetuses in gujrat was that they knew there would be no repercusions.
by the way Dawood got no personal gain from the blasts, he was very comfortably ruling the mumbai underworld before the blasts. Thus muslims of bombay are rightly grateful to him for having sacrificed his comfort for their security.
adios.
#61 Posted by cayenne on June 27, 2005 11:14:47 pm
Re: # 52
You sure it ain`t root beer?.Just kidding!!.A bottle of Kingfisher or any other brand of desi beer is available at one`s neighborhood liquor store for 54 rupees.A quarter of McDowell scotch 125/- and that`s a premium brand.Prices vary at bars/pubs and discos depending on the location and state(taxation).Pondicherry on the east coast and Goa on the west coast are tax free alcohol territories.Daman and Diu service the Gujjus, `cause Gujarat is the only alcohol free state.Liquor stores generally close at midnight and are open sundays after 1pm in many states.
You sure it ain`t root beer?.Just kidding!!.A bottle of Kingfisher or any other brand of desi beer is available at one`s neighborhood liquor store for 54 rupees.A quarter of McDowell scotch 125/- and that`s a premium brand.Prices vary at bars/pubs and discos depending on the location and state(taxation).Pondicherry on the east coast and Goa on the west coast are tax free alcohol territories.Daman and Diu service the Gujjus, `cause Gujarat is the only alcohol free state.Liquor stores generally close at midnight and are open sundays after 1pm in many states.
#60 Posted by ballukhan on June 27, 2005 9:16:22 pm
My take at this Pakistani mafiaso called Dawood-
I would ask all those Indians who have been threatened by this Paki mafiaso to pool in their expected payoff money and give it to some ex-armymen to raise a squad of assasins to exterminate this mafiaso pest from Pakistan-
even if a group of 6-7 Indians could come together and pool in 10 lacs each all that would be sufficient to raise a group of vigilante to exterminate Dawood right in his own pureland............................
I would ask all those Indians who have been threatened by this Paki mafiaso to pool in their expected payoff money and give it to some ex-armymen to raise a squad of assasins to exterminate this mafiaso pest from Pakistan-
even if a group of 6-7 Indians could come together and pool in 10 lacs each all that would be sufficient to raise a group of vigilante to exterminate Dawood right in his own pureland............................
#59 Posted by sifzal on June 27, 2005 8:46:34 pm
Re: # 33
harimau you said “Post-August-1947 events were nothing but a continuation of the British policy of consolidation of power over the subcontinent that was temporarily interrupted in 1857 and suspended indefinitely in 1858….”
Reply: You mean to say that the present land known as India did not got its independence in 1947 rather remained a British colony with British agenda…well said! So when did you got independence for you may say that after Britian it was Soviet control and now USA, I guess?
harimau: ”No, Jinnah and Pakistan would have gotten East Punjab, West Bengal and Assam and then would have either converted the Hindus there by force or expelled them. Also, Jinnah had the brilliant idea of using the Hindu population of Pakistan as hostages for good treatment of Muslims left behind In India. “
If the East Punjab, West Bengal and Assam would have become Pakistan, there would have been peaceful settlement, very few killings and Hindus would have been prosperous in Pakistan like those in Sindh, and Sikhs would have avoided operation Blue Star or 1984 mass killings. The minorities killing on mass scale only happens in India not Pakistan. When the late Pope John Paul landed in Pakistan, he kissed the land and said it is one of the few countries where minorities are protected.
harimau: “Man, what a nut case!”
Please mind your language.
harimau you said “Post-August-1947 events were nothing but a continuation of the British policy of consolidation of power over the subcontinent that was temporarily interrupted in 1857 and suspended indefinitely in 1858….”
Reply: You mean to say that the present land known as India did not got its independence in 1947 rather remained a British colony with British agenda…well said! So when did you got independence for you may say that after Britian it was Soviet control and now USA, I guess?
harimau: ”No, Jinnah and Pakistan would have gotten East Punjab, West Bengal and Assam and then would have either converted the Hindus there by force or expelled them. Also, Jinnah had the brilliant idea of using the Hindu population of Pakistan as hostages for good treatment of Muslims left behind In India. “
If the East Punjab, West Bengal and Assam would have become Pakistan, there would have been peaceful settlement, very few killings and Hindus would have been prosperous in Pakistan like those in Sindh, and Sikhs would have avoided operation Blue Star or 1984 mass killings. The minorities killing on mass scale only happens in India not Pakistan. When the late Pope John Paul landed in Pakistan, he kissed the land and said it is one of the few countries where minorities are protected.
harimau: “Man, what a nut case!”
Please mind your language.
#58 Posted by Ashutosh_Gandhi on June 27, 2005 5:36:56 pm
This article asks right questions. British had the policy of divide and rule otherwise they would have never controlled Indian subcontinent.
People blame Jinnah, Gandhi & Nehru but British were also equally responsible for partition.
Our history books in school may not lie but do not tell us the truth either. There is nothing outlandish about british not being responsible for partition or playing Jinnah against Congress.
People blame Jinnah, Gandhi & Nehru but British were also equally responsible for partition.
Our history books in school may not lie but do not tell us the truth either. There is nothing outlandish about british not being responsible for partition or playing Jinnah against Congress.
#57 Posted by irfanhamid on June 27, 2005 3:36:10 pm
Re: # 27 (Charlie),
Yaar, forget that. I just read your ilog entry on the ``Statistics of flirting``. I was laughing so hard I damn near got a cramp in my stomach, specially the last sentence (I almost fell off my chair) ``Sachant qu`un homme sur 10 est homosexuel et que tous les pédés sucent, il vaut mieux s`adresser à un mec``.
Where did you find this gem?
Irfan.
Yaar, forget that. I just read your ilog entry on the ``Statistics of flirting``. I was laughing so hard I damn near got a cramp in my stomach, specially the last sentence (I almost fell off my chair) ``Sachant qu`un homme sur 10 est homosexuel et que tous les pédés sucent, il vaut mieux s`adresser à un mec``.
Where did you find this gem?
Irfan.
#56 Posted by harimau on June 27, 2005 3:13:38 pm
Ref dullabhatti #38
[I have no doubt in my mind that if India were to stay one piece in 1947, Muslims would have, if not totally ruled India, at least would have dictated major policies and laws. There powers in 1947 were curtailed by partition.]
If Pakistan was never separated and we had a 40% Muslim population in India, Indian Muslims would be on a plane to Mecca during Haj season! At a nice discount on the airfare subsidized by the Government of India.
Oops, that is already happening with a 15% Muslim population! I shudder to think what 40% would have brought!
[I have no doubt in my mind that if India were to stay one piece in 1947, Muslims would have, if not totally ruled India, at least would have dictated major policies and laws. There powers in 1947 were curtailed by partition.]
If Pakistan was never separated and we had a 40% Muslim population in India, Indian Muslims would be on a plane to Mecca during Haj season! At a nice discount on the airfare subsidized by the Government of India.
Oops, that is already happening with a 15% Muslim population! I shudder to think what 40% would have brought!
#55 Posted by harimau on June 27, 2005 3:05:52 pm
Ref khamkhwa. #34
{[ pillage BEFORE you burn, rape BEFORE you kill. And war booty does NOT mean a booty call.]- harimau.
...harimau is right...afterall he is experienced...remember gujrat...;) }
And you fcukers set fire to the train first without pillaging it.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.... will you retards EVER learn?
{[ pillage BEFORE you burn, rape BEFORE you kill. And war booty does NOT mean a booty call.]- harimau.
...harimau is right...afterall he is experienced...remember gujrat...;) }
And you fcukers set fire to the train first without pillaging it.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.... will you retards EVER learn?
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