Who Created Pakistan?

cayenne,

You are quite an amusing person. But I think you are grinding your axe to a nub now. Everyone (Pakistanis, Indians, Americans, Europeans) agree that India is on the fast-track. Everyone knows you people have made the right choices for the past 3 or 4 decades and are reaping the rewards. It is one thing to rub something in someone else`s face; which in and of itself is not the epitome of grace and dignity, but is understandable nonetheless. It is, on the other hand, quite a different thing to harp on the same thing like a broken record.

Case in point is your incessant posting of images of metro systems of Indian cities and highways. It is an impressive achievement (far above anything we can expect in Karachi or Lahore anytime soon), but by no means singular; Tunis has had quite an impressive metro system for a couple of decades now.

Like I said, everyone knows that India has ``arrived``. So relax and enjoy the moment. Because after a certain point your histrionics ask the question of which side of the fine line dividing the inferiority and superiority complexes are you standing.

Regards,
Irfan.

``Who Created Pakistan?``

Quaid-e-Azam nay farmaya, ``Na mera koi chacha, tay na mera koi taaya.......Pakistan mein kaleeh hee banaya...``

re: temporal # 19

That, Sir, was first-rate humor :)

Who Created Pakistan?

hope somebody answers this before my morning cuppa cools...cannot imagine surviving the day without knowing the answer

Ranjit Hira:

Good article overall providing some historic facts over the partition. However, with reference to your last paragraph, I fail to understand the connection between cold war, partition and Jinnah.

prk

Actually, most Indians do know that Mr. Jinnah was a modern man, much more modern than Gandhi. When it comes to modernity, comparisons are made between Jinnah and Nehru.

[I believe it will come as a great surprise to most Indians that Mr. Jinnah was a modern (even for today`s times!) secular minded person who had nothing but disdain for the tactics of mixing religion and politics.]

Yes, it does surprise Indians, but not for the reasons you think. What surprises Indians is that a man, who never hesitated to hide his pork-eating and whisky-drinking habits (habits that are ``haraam`` in Islam) did not shy from using religion to divide India.

If nothing else, Mr. Advani`s recent visit to Pakistan has forced the Indian body-politic to get out of myth-making, and rewriting history- and to examine for the first time in recent memory, the historical facts. I believe it will come as a great surprise to most Indians that Mr. Jinnah was a modern (even for today`s times!) secular minded person who had nothing but disdain for the tactics of mixing religion and politics. The distinction between theocratic state which Mr. Jinnah abhorred versus a Muslim-majority secular homeland (whether this is an utopian concept in another matter) which Mr. Jinnah espoused after the failure of his earlier negotiations is not widely appreciated by the average Indian.
Mr. Advani`s visit has certainly made the Indian Journalistic and political bodies to finally start giving us glimpses into the factual history. The historical details and the tragedy of partition have received much more exposure in Pakistani Press over the years compared to that in India. Some of the analysts of the older generation Pakistani`s feel rightly, that Mr. Jinnah`s Pakistan was highjacked right from the word GO, beginning with the cersoring of parts of his Independence day speech. He would certainly be a saddened to see present day theocratic Pakistan.
It is only when the people of Pakistan decide to become a truely secular society respecting ALL religions (and not the ismailies or ahmadias) that they can think of achieving peace and get rid of the sectarian violence that is sure to rip the country apart. Sadly, thanks to Mr. Zia-ul-Haq and their Afgan adventures, this seems to be a pipe-dream.
PRK

#13 go on mantolives, we know you are itching to do a twenty thousand word rejoinder, do it (T)

Seriously, what is your perspective on this?

This could have been a much more comprehensive article... but the writer I think was more interested in proving that British made Pakistan. There is no question that the British often used the Muslim League-Congress divide for their own benefits.. but the conclusions drawn are a little far fetched.

Dear Ranjit
First my regards for writing this article, which undeniably brings out some truth. I however, would differ on few points. First, when based on your personal opinion Sardar Patel is being praised for ``orchestrating the almost unimaginable task of so swiftly and decisively integrating over 600 former princely states into the Indian Union, at the time of Independence, in 1947.`` This task was achieved AFTER ACCEPTING THE ORIGINAL POLITICAL PROPOSAL WHICH ALLOWED THESE STATES TO EITHER ACCEPT BEING PART OF PAKISTAN OR INDIA OR REMAIN INDEPENDENT. After declaration by some of the states to remain independent, use of force to make them accept as part of India cannot be regarded as a principled and honourable act, as it was dishonouring their own pledges, agreement and words; ironically it is now being done in the case of Kashmir again.

Secondly, yes Jinnah was disappointed when the boundaries were suggested for had their been no partitions or states becoming part of Pakistan or India, nearly 5 million lives would have been saved out of which more than 2 million Muslim women were the victims kidnapped, dishonoured or killed (the statistics were revealed in Lecture by an Australian Feminist Professor in Melbourne University in 2003); it was heart breaking listening to the surviving victims personally for me in late 60s and early seventies. It was unfortunate that just for the sake of political gains human lives were mercilessly taken away. The same is still being repeated not only in Kashmir, where by Indian statistics 80,000 and Pakistani statistics over 200,000 people have been killed, even in mainland India minorities are being subjected to mass killings on regular basis.

Jinnah wanted a unified country, he even disregarded the idea of united country PM or President, and opted to stay away and let the unified Muslim League and Indian National Congress run the government...it was unfortunate again that INC leaders decided not to share even the fractional ministry seats taken by the Muslim League and declared let there be two countries.

Whatever the history, lets hope we do justice now by putting an end to the misdoings of previous politicians and let “the right is might`` prevail

#10 Isnt it a co-out to suggest ``It was bungling up by the politicians. Just like the Pakistani politicians bungled up in 71``? What about the people? Are you suggesting that pakistan is incapable of doing things correctly?

Ranjit

You have only added to my confusion on the subject.

But since you are Exective Editor of Frog Books, one must listen to you carefully.

It was bungling up by the politicians. Just like the Pakistani politicians bungled up in 71.

nhk

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Actually, secret documents found lying in Burkina Faso reveal that Pakistan was created for rich Punjabi and Bengali landlords as a back-end for merchants of Charing Cross, operating from the Savoy, from where they would control and run the rest of the country with the help of Gujaratis. Especially to control the deep dark parts of South India which many thought were Africa. South Indians with their TamBram scene were taken into confidence and given Singapore. The Brits thought they had it all stitched up but mistook Jinnah for Krishna Menon who was a Malloo in any case.

After that the Persian Gulf countries discovered oil and that brought things to the sorry state they are now in.

When contacted for comments, both the Indian and Pakistani Governments, as well as te Bangladeshi Government, could not say anything because all the top leaders are holidaying in England due to the heat and Sania Mirza.

This is a 300 interact article. Well done. Over to you Mantolives.