Who Created Pakistan?

romair, ferozk and others
i am amazed some people are making sweeping statements about low representation of pakistani females in higher education, according to UK gov statistics there are more females than males in higher education. check following website column 9.

http://www.hesa.ac.uk/holisdocs/pubinfo/student/ethnic0304.htm

bum-blasts stopped any further 92-93 riots is well known in bombay...muslims had their revenge, the bussiness community brought a lot of pressure on shivesena, sharad pawar and police. also shivsena got to rule the state in next election, everyone ``gained``..very bussiness like that bombay. these were the only hindu-muslim riots in bombay inspite of serious muhalla-level segragation.

several other bomb-blasts have happened since then, including the infamous one in kalbadevi area, gateway of india, etc where wholesale markets are, but people have learnt to move-on. bombay seems to have lost apetite for riots.

none of this has reduced the bad-blood, and riots will start if there is godhra or babri masjid, bombs notwithstanding.

#128

You know my prediction for the next big riot, its Calcutta.

The city mafia is muslim dominated in close alliance with the CPI-M. It is periodically reinforced by muslims for Bihar and Bangaldesh, the local toughs cannot match them in their brutality. In city areas like Kidderpore rape and abduction by muslim mafia is common. The police is politicized by the communists and will refuse to act against muslims, the resentment is building.

The communists with their strong arm tactics and well organized mafia will keep winning the so called ``elections`` but within the city things are at a breaking point, I already see a lot more savarkar stautes and saffron flags starting to sprout.

Re: # 129 bong

Yep - I won`t be surprised if that happens. Fools and commies never learn. Innocent people pay the price for the folly of commies.

Hindvi....hindus never make the first strike.Its always muslims who deliver the first blow. Hindus only retaliate. And when they retaliate , they take atleast 10 muslims down for every 1 hindu killed. There would be no Gujarat riot if not for the fact that 2000 odd mob emerged from the mosque with kerosene cans and burnt alive 50-60 hindus , most of of them women and children. If such a thing happens anywhere in India , the response will be no different. You seem to believe that hindus in Mumbai are scared of your Dawood bhai. That theory will be severely tested incase a Goghra like event ever happens in Mumbai. We will see.

ps : do you have family in India ? Any pretty sisters ;)

#131

Firstly man you are disgusting.

secondly, muslims may throw the first stone (in hindu perception) but it is in the face of the hostitlity they face in day in day out, from the school yard taunts to looking for homes and jobs. The muslim who tries to move into the middle class faces a wall of hostility in India.

Living as minorites away from India should give Hindu`s some perspective on life of muslims in India. I remember my first Christmas in college in he US. A few desi guys in the apartment, a few cases of beer, chicken in the oven and a bunch of video tapes. The sense of isolation from the society around you was tremendous. I thought about the few middle class muslims who lived in my neighbourhood in India, how Diwali must have been for them. An all encompassing wall of celebration, light and sound in which they played no part. India is not a ``fruit salad`` society like the US, the sense of isolation for muslims who live outside of predominently muslim areas must be even stronger in India.

#131 you are wrong and crude.

the ``stimulus`` can still come from hindus. also, some of the rioting is plain bussiness. after the first ``reaction`` rioting in response to babri masjid, there were a lot of khokha-riots. many of builders have illegally encroached materials godowns. some riots happend much later, and bussiness opponents godowns were burned by giving money. they were settling scores.

the right thing to do is put a firm-foot down on ANY rioting, one after a khutba or otherwise. 10:1 retaliation cost is ghastly and stupid.

Re: # 132 bong
//...A few desi guys in the apartment, a few cases of beer, chicken in the oven and a bunch of video tapes...The sense of isolation from the society around you was tremendous.....//

``sense of isolation`` ?? What are you talking about?? First few years in US was best time I ever had in my life..... No desi I know ever had a ``sense of isolation`` .... beer, chicken, video tapes are not bad at all - if you know where to get the right tapes :)

Any case - Muslim indians are NOT immigrants in some alien land, they are part of the milieu. If hindus have diwali - muslims have their Id, muhharam and whatever.... And no - muslims don`t hust sit around during diwali - most of them participate and/or make business out of it, especially, in rural and small town areas.

You are way off course on this one.

aslam644 #: The replies were specifically about Pakistani women in the technical professions. There actually are hardly any.

On the whole, they may outnumber Pakistani men in medical colleges, though. And in the West, in many countries, I believe, as your statistics indicate, more women are going to college than men.........

re: muslim isolation in India
Ha, ha.
Another moron talking about muslim isolation.
What is wrong with u guys.
Muslims had a choice in 1947. They could have all packed their bags and left for Pakistan. What do muslims in India want anyway? That everyone should get up with ``allah-o- akbar`` on their lips?
Get a life man.
``sense of isolation for muslims who live outside of predominently muslim areas must be even stronger in India.``
So, who cares?
I get pissed off with such writings. Muslims must learn to blend in with the crowd and not stand out. India, like US, is not for people who can`t blend in.
Sridhar

re: female doctor raped in Pak
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4633849.stm
What does higher education for women mean in Pak if it does not empower even a doctor to protect herself from rape?
Sridhar

``I knew that this argument would definitely be proferred by SOB like you !!! Do you know how many muslims were killed in the bomb blast........I would like to have your family member killed in that blast.rascals like you support mafiasos and terrorists in order to justifty your agendas......I spit on you!!!``

Every innocent who died in the blasts irrespective of whether he/she was a muslim, hindu or atheist was a tragedy, just as the multiples who died before in the riot. Every innocent who dies in Afghanistan or Iraq is a tragedy, every innocent who died in the campaign against Nazis and Japs in the IInd WW was a tragedy but that doesnt mean that the action was invalidated for the greater good it achieved or was intended for. does one want the minority of bombay to live the same way as the minority of gujarat survives today? its sad to acknowledge but its a cruel world that we live in.

If one considers the minority to be as much a part of the state as the majority then the thousands of deaths in the riots preceding the bomb blasts should have been as much a cause for indignation as the blasts that followed but that isnt seen, infact the bomb blast accussed (who were largely innocent, because the perpetrators escaped from the law) spend a decade in jails even before trial under a stalinist law like TADA, while the riot accused roam freely, and yet the majorities sympathies are with riot accussed and not with the innocents in Jail.

On chowk all interactors are just talking we dont actually ``do`` anything, its useful so far as its a forum for exchange of information and entertainment. I thought I would provide some info. which might be useful to chowkies.

Re: #138 by hindvi

[If one considers the minority to be as much a part of the state as the majority then the thousands of deaths in the riots preceding the bomb blasts should have been as much a cause for indignation as the blasts that followed but that isnt seen, infact the bomb blast accussed (who were largely innocent, because the perpetrators escaped from the law) spend a decade in jails even before trial under a stalinist law like TADA, while the riot accused roam freely, and yet the majorities sympathies are with riot accussed and not with the innocents in Jail.]


All this problem could be averted if only everybody in the world came to their senses and converted to Islam.

And mosques everywhere could blare out their prayers 5 times a day every day of the week, every week of the year.

But no, the damn infidels have to be unreasonable, and refuse to convert.

Go figure!

Of course, there might be some lingering problems about which sub-group to choose, Shia or Sunni…. Hmmm….

Okay, maybe I have to think some more on this one ….

Re: #132 by bongdongs

[…. muslims may throw the first stone (in hindu perception) but it is in the face of the hostitlity they face in day in day out, from the school yard taunts to looking for homes and jobs. The muslim who tries to move into the middle class faces a wall of hostility in India.]


Muslims are responsible for their own reputation in India. And of course, everywhere else in the world.

If ever the Gulf oil runs out, you will find out what the rest of the world TRULY thinks about muslims. Go to Holland, which used to be super-liberal, and see how they have changed after the Theo Van Gogh murder. That will give you some idea of what’s to come.

Re: # 137

rsridhar:

``What does higher education for women mean in Pak if it does not empower even a doctor to protect herself from rape?``

A very good question...

Honestly I would still have a relentless program for educating and empowering especially the young girls, and increase the numbers enormously within a generation that society at large cannot ignore them and regressively tribal about women.

Anil

Re: # 138
hindvi, Riots in India have taken place repeatedly in some specific areas/cities. If would like to hear your opinion on this,but I dont think there is a trend on the lines of the percentage of majority and minority in the areas where riots have occured. In fact,about 90% or over of population in India lives in areas which are not riot prone, never have been. I do accept your retaliation theory, but I have problem with extrapolating the behaviour of two communities in riots to a general theory of interaction between Hindus and Muslims in India. Riots are best explained through local factors.
When a riot occurs,I assume it would be the minority who have everything to lose. Owing to the corruption in the judiciary and polity, by their sheer strength in numbers the majority would probably be untarnished afterwards as well. I also believe that sympathies of most of us would be with our coreligionists in the case of a riot.But concluding through this that the majority is out to screw the minority and the minority should take some affirmative action as a homogenous entity is not valid. Given the circumstances, though the minority may be entitled to hold the opinion tht they are systemically being victimized, I am not sure it is true.