Are all Women Witches?

Farzana Bibi,

I`ve been one of the interactors, unfortunately, that have been harsh with you or reacted to your articles and the content with like crudity. I shouldn`t have - not because you may be a lady - because I should be mature and a gentleman towards a woman - to a large extent.

In brief, you come across as a biased and dishonest writer. The writing is reflection of the author. Thus, many interactors have formed negative opinion of you alongwith your writings.

Your intentions in writings are not always clear and honest. Many suspect the aim is controversy; fame amongst a niche audience, special interest, etc. - which also inade verantly and naturally brings infamy among the rest.

Maybe it is weakness in your writing style. Or, may be it is indeed your true reflection. As a writer in public view, it is both the duty and right of the reader/interactor to oppose you/r work.

Still, it doesn`t warrant some of the tone of the responses to you.

Rgrds.

shoresahib #74 ha! ha! I didnt think I would ever see you go ballistic sarcastically. But seriously - the entire mukhtar mai episode speaks volumes of the characterless pakistani ``sahibs`` running the country on the one hand and the innate nobility and courage of the average Pakistani on the other.

FV

these women were not doing ecstacy...they were involved in a religous ritual, in which, some woman allows herself to be posseses by ``mahalxmi``, and their is a lot of racket. the woman was a lead researcher at tata cancer. so i suspect, this is a formalization of witchy behaviour or feeling women seem to have by hindu religion by assigning it a ceremony. women have a wide spectrum of witchy feelings ... som eare hidden under ``feminine intuition`` ;-)

Re: # 68
If a south asian woman screams RAPE,

Goes and Lodges a complaint against her father in law,

She really is covering up for sex she enjoyed having with a really old man.

Infact She was caught having sex with her father in Law and then made up this really shameful story to cover up her deeds. SHE WAS NEVER RAPED! SHE JUST MADE IT UP!

Mukhtar Mai was never raped either, she just made up that story to cover up her orgies with men from the Mastoi Clan.

Dr. Shazia actually did not get raped either. She only started to scream rape after she was caught having consentual sex with that army fella.

Our women dont get raped.
They are simply nymphomaniacs who make up stories of rape after being caught.

Farzana:

I am still seething a bit from that other (recently departed) board (as you and the crowds have probably guessed by now) and will post some “saner” comments there later (when I calm down some more). (NOTE: although it may be difficult to believe, I do regret the hurt to an individual that my strong words perhaps cause, even though I have no intention of sparing the author, now or later, for some of THAT crap (which really drives me up the wall)!)

Of course, the present article stands on its own. It may be my imagination, but some of the words sound so familiar (you have not taken to “borrowing” your OWN past words, have you?) that they appear almost like invitations for certain questions – questions whose forceful and punchy answers you may have already formulated in your mind – a little like a trap move in chess. Therefore, I thought it was important (perhaps even my duty) to come and ask those questions so that you get a chance to unleash the rest of your well-hoarded ammunition. So here it goes!

First of all, I like this article for a very personal reason. Many, many years ago when I was growing up a little lad in a village in that same state, a somewhat similar incident took place there which was witnessed VERY passively by several people (Thank God, not directly by me). Back then, we did not have septic tanks in villages, a fact which didn’t bother the men folks because they would hit the outdoors first thing in the morning, with a “lota” full of water. The women folks were restrained to the house and the house did have bathrooms. However, the system was different – the human excreta would drop through a hole strategically into a large and deep pan placed to collect it. By mid-day, a scheduled-caste woman (termed “domin” or “halkhorin”) would come and pull the pan out, use her tool of trade (a broken piece of an earthen jar) to scrape away the excreta into her own (larger) vessel, replace the pan and carry away the vessel on her head (to empty it at some designated location). Apparently, there was this moneylender (and you probably know about the interest rates village moneylenders charge) who was owed some money by one such lady and in order to make his point regarding the importance of prompt payments, as this lady walked away with her latest load, a couple of his goons grabbed her, forced her mouth open and – you guessed it!

The real case I describe above was a simple exercise of brute power, and made no pretenses of witchcraft. I suspect that the fact that the victims were women (which you really harp on and on in your article) has very little to do with it – the fact that the victims were weak and vulnerable has EVERYTHING to do with it. I have never seen anyone in my village do a “cultural romanticising of the witch” that you allude to – perhaps it’s a literary exercise limited to circles in which you move!

It breaks my heart that so many years later, stuff like that still happens! I am sure that if things continue to go the same way, a few decades later we’ll STILL have such cases – isolated cases of course, but they represent isolated cases even now! Why is it so?

The answer is obvious (to me, at least) – the mindset is still the same in places like that as it was all those years ago. The mindset that creates these weaklings who become the victims and stay victims, year after year – and generation after generation!

Now I have a question for you. Yes, you rant and rave about a problem, and draw attention to it here, but what does that really do? You are preaching to the choir! I am extremely doubtful that anybody in THIS gang personally stuffed any “stuff” into anyone’s mouth (unless you just want to stick to metaphors and limit the WORLD to yourself). So here you are telling people – don’t do what you are already not doing. The net result is – nothing! Is that ALL you want to accomplish?

And of course, the two victims you name are called devis – devis who are supposed to be strong, who have powers that “run of the mill” individuals do not have, powers that indeed have the ability to bring about tremendous changes if used honestly. Yet both of them are so helpless! I wonder who is more a candidate for pity – the victim that does not have the gift from God and suffers in silence – or one who has and realizes the power of such gifts and yet chooses to throw it away so it ends up as mere hot air, or worse – ends up doing damage?!

Farzana, what is to be done to change the problem MINDSET? Isn’t the blind following of what one is taught by the family, the society, and yes the religious hierarchy – at the root of problems like this? I NEVER see you asking THOSE tough questions. I always see you finding excuses to side with some of the most retrogressive ideologies, as long as they belong to (face it) your “own side”. Invariably, you find “faults” (of all kinds) with contemporary characters who (in their own limited ways and using their own limited gifts) try to raise some of the questions – and some of these “faults”, if I may say, ma’m, are the most flimsy and ridiculous! Is that simply because a “fatwa” is not a “good thing in life” or is there something more – an innate identification with those who have time and again (through words and actions) made it plain as daylight that they just want to hurt your country and convert it into one ruled by an orthodoxy that has no intention of even allowing (far from facing) some of these questions!

There are people at this site who have known you for long, very long – so long that they can sense some unstated deep, deep meaning behind your words and interpret your words into something totally different from what these may superficially appear to be! Such individuals can be called fans, friends, family members and perhaps your intimate ones – if any. The janitor makes no such pretenses and is in no position to make them (perhaps, at the moment, not even the first two categories). He sees words the way the world at large sees words and he gauges words’ intent based strictly on the results that they (appear to be designed to) produce again and again and the janitor sees a pattern like anyone else – provided they have not been blinded by the light! You see those results too, and you see the harm they cause (in their own way) to the country that you proclaim to love, and you still go on and on using the same tack. And forgive me ma’m, the janitor is not convinced (at least at the present time) that the pattern is pretty – for, to the janitor, the pattern appears to be emphasizing on the fault-lines in a highly selective manner, to break people apart rather than bring them together and the pattern appears to accompany a determined attitude to look AWAY from the mindset problem rather than to face it!

(I could keep going on and on, but the janitor needs to get to his broom. I am also unable at this time to go through all the interacts – will try perhaps later.)

Now you can go ahead and swing your punches at me! You might as well do it here, or it will probably eventually come out in some i-log anyway! (Oops, I just notice that you have put up another one, sorry I will have to perhaps deal with later, if needed!)

Once again, it may be difficult to understand, but perhaps you do, that I really MEAN what I have written above about not trying to hurt the individual and I sincerely hope the individual can be and remain strong enough, not for any punches that this worthless janitor sends her way, but the larger punch (coming from herself) that she will have to encounter some day! That’s all!

Notes:
[Our broomstick-hands are said to have cast an unholy spell.]
Not unless that broom was used to hurt real human beings, and the woman, with all the power of God-given perception – willingly hands it over to those doing the hurting! And continues to do the same – year after year. Dear Ma’m, that’s when the “duck test” kicks in. You know the one – if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, pecks you like a duck and likes to hang around with ducks – then it IS a duck! I am not in a position to conduct a full-fledged duck test – I only go by what I see here and can admittedly be far off the mark! If that’s the case, then that’s the case (and sorry!).

Re: # 70
Dear Begum Versey:
Why don`t You write these well articulated columns in papers like Times of India (circulation 2.4million!) and not in Chowk or Fridaytimes where the number of readers is less.

Ozer:

You may be certain (and not just hope) that I understand the symbolism, for often that is all I understand…

I wish you had ‘bewitched’ the readers with your own take by extrapolating the earlier views with those that might arise anew.

As you would have guessed, I have used the term ‘witch’ expansively. To apply the previous analogy, you quote me, “Isn’t it interesting that it is the gigolos who take charge of the fairytales and the women are left with glass slippers?” and you reply, “that is why the unlucky ``Cinderellas``` of life reflected in your piece have to climb up mountains of ``glass`` in shoes made of iron. This is the harsh and frozen fate that befalls their glacial existence.”

Interestingly, the certified witch of the fairytales is sanctified by her evil…but it is the Cinderella who becomes a threat, with her innocence, her dreams. Often, she has no shoes of iron – she walks barefoot on the glass and the trail of blood becomes the only landmark for her to find her way back ‘home’.

The latter-day Cinderellas who dare to dream meet this fate. I sometimes smile wryly when I am called a “bloody b!tch”, for I know that the symbolism has met reality right beneath my feet.

PS: Your tardiness seemed to have (unintentionally) been well-timed with my absence then. When I did look at your response, it was too late…and there are enough real ghosts to talk and walk with in what passes for the actual world for me to imagine a cyber ghost would care to seek out my words in the deluge where not all ‘epics’ are epicurean…by then I had heard whispers about your identity. Such things do not bother me. Who and what a person is are at best details – what a person says is germane to the momentum any written word gathers. Having said that, I will have to refrain from indulging here in the last bits of your reply – it would fall in the category of an ilog or merely canonise me as ‘liqueur witch’!…perhaps, I might write about those momentous minutiae in the lonesome space I occasionally find anchor in…and should you wish to know (there is such a yawning gap between what one might assume to be a plea; your “plzzz” denotes the weight of ennui perking up at the thought of a past curiosity), you may something…perchance more than a distant lament.

#55 by HP:

[#48 by FarzanaVersey
FV,
The story of Imrana!
Why do you think it was rape? Could it not be consensual sex, which is now being covered up, and in most likely scenario, local police knows that too? ]

The other sons of the old man moved out of the house with their families…there have been implications that this was not the first time the old man behaved improperly.

[It seems to me that in Imrana case, both FIL and DIL, when caught made up the story of rape and the mullah and the local police know that.]

This is curious. The FIL would agree to be called a rapist? They were not caught; she went and complained about it. For a village woman to do so requires some courage. Heck, for any woman it requires guts.

[With this kind of publicity surrounding the case, do you think that police would have ignored it, if it were NOT a matter of consensual sex?]

You seem to paint the picture of the police as some benign creatures. Remember that this is not an influential family; they are lower middle-class; Imrana’s husband drives an autorickshaw. There have been occasions when the police have come into the picture even in the case of consensual sex.

Here, they have not ignored it – a case has been filed. When I mentioned in my letter that it should be the job of the UP police, it was to emphasise that the mullahs should just lay off.

I do know that illicit relations take place, but you would be aware that often the woman is pressurised – by physical torture, emotional blackmail or threats to her persona and reputation.

PS: Just read your later post… “had sex” is a common way to divert attention…

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And more on the ‘witch’…in today’s newspapers (please note that the term is used in such a cavalier fashion by a head of state for another head of state):

Indira a ‘witch’, Indians ‘bastards’ - By Anne Gearan

Washington, June 29: US President Richard M. Nixon referred privately to Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi as an ``old witch`` and national security adviser Henry Kissinger insulted Indians in general, according to transcripts of Oval Office tapes and newly declassified documents.

Nixon and Kissinger met in the Oval Office on the morning of November 5, 1971, to discuss Nixon’s conversation with Indira Gandhi the day before. ``We really slobbered over the old witch,`` Nixon told Kissinger, according to a transcript of their conversation released on Tuesday as part of a state department compilation of significant documents involving American foreign policy.

Nixon’s remark came as the two men speculated about Indira Gandhi’s motives during the White House meeting and discussed India’s intentions in the looming conflict with Pakistan. The United States was allied with Pakistan and saw India as too closely allied with the Soviet Union. ``The Indians are bastards anyway,`` Kissinger told the President. ``They are starting a war there.`` Kissinger also told his boss that he had bested Indira Gandhi in their meeting. ``While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too,`` Kissinger said. ``She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn’t give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she’s got to go to war.``

Other documents chart US contacts with China, as facilitated by Pakistan, and US concern that India was developing nuclear technology. The archive covers US policy in South Asia in 1971 and 1972.

The documents, many declassified only earlier this month, generally cover old ground, several Cold War scholars said. Still, the particulars are intriguing, including rosters of who was in various meetings and quotes from conversations among Nixon, his aides and foreign leaders. ``They see everything through a Cold War prism,`` said Bill Burr, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive at George Washington University. ``It’s a wholly distorted view.``

US-India relations were strained for decades as a result of Cold War alliances and have significantly improved only recently. US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice visited India earlier this year, and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will visit Washington in July. (AP)

Re: # 68

Do you have a cat?.`Cause your rants look like they`ve been induced by inhaling the fumes from the shit your beloved feline drops into the litter box in your cramped W/C.Go spend some money on some decent cat litter before you type more rubbish.

#67
``Havent your mother ever told you not to believe everything you read. Perhaps you should use your head for some critical thinking once in a while.``

Exactly! How did you know it was a rape!

// Nothing from Louisiana surprises me anymore!

Re: # 66

When a Maulvi molests a young boy, he infact has sex with the boy.

When a man rapes a woman, He infact has sex with the woman.

Is rape not a form of sex?

Yes, Mukhtar Mai`s rapists had sex with her.

They raped her body using sex as a tool.

Muhtarma Imrana`s father in law had sex with her while she was being raped.

I guess you conveniently forgot about the first passage, where it mentions that she screamed and called for help.

Atleast I have the courage and balls to cut and paste the whole truth, You on the other hand keep harping on and on like the curved tail of a dog.

So be it. Your reality to you. Mine to me. My religion to me, and yours to you. My Allah for me, and Yours for you.

Havent your mother ever told you not to believe everything you read. Perhaps you should use your head for some critical thinking once in a while.

Please do not respond to me anymore. Talking with you, to you or responding is futile.
I wish you peace.
Fi Aman Allah

#65
Shore,

I am not sure you are even capable of a discussion on this issue as you failed to even follow what I said in my post to Farzana.
I have no intention to research the net to prove my point because you are doing it for me. Read this from one of your cut and past “Shahkar” and see for yourself that there is more to the story then just a simple rape.

“According to a fact-find team led by Dr Tasleem Rahmani, president of the
Muslim Political Conference, the alleged rape did not take place (it was a
case of molestation/attempted rape). The issue was settled locally until an
area Hindi newspaper correspondent got wind of it and (as common with small
time journalists in far-off places) tried to blackmail the family to give
him Rs 10,000, failing which he threatened to publish the story in his
newspaper. As the poor family could not afford to offer him the bribe, the
correspondent went ahead and published the story. ZeeTV picked it up from
there and soon all channels and newspapers raided the area and blew the
story out of proportion just like they did a few weeks ago with Gudiya.”

Since you are incapable of reading “between the lines”, let me explain it you from your own copy paste “shahkar” that the mullahs are implying what I said in plain English and that it was possibly consensual sex and that is the reason they want to annul the marriage and are forcing her to marry her father in Law.
Here is an excerpt from your own post. Pay attention to words “had sex” with her own father in law and also pay attention to what the village council of elders decided. It seems that they had the clear picture as to what exactly happened on the ground. Fatwa followed council’s decision.

“The controversy over the rape of a woman by her father-in-law has raised many pertinent issues. After the horrendous incident, the woman, a mother of five children, was told to consider her husband as her son by the local village council of elders. The initial resistance of this edict by the woman and her husband soon gave way to immense pressure put on them by the fatwa of Dar al Uloom, Deoband, which gave very nearly the same verdict, as that of the village council. It stipulated that the women in question could no longer live with her husband, since she

‘had sex’

with her own father-in-law.``

MR HP: Read and Weep:-

Four Ulema`s response to the Imrana Case:
1. Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani
President, All India Muslim Forum


The `fatwa`(religious edict)given by Deoband
Seminary, and confirmed by All India Muslim Personal
Law Board, that Imrana, after being raped by her
father-in-law, cannot be allowed to stay with her
husband,is most retrograde, and in total violation of
Islamic Shariah. The countless provisions of Quran
bear an ample testimony to the fact that nobody can be
punished or subjected to adverse consequences for any
deed which he or she was compelled to commit, and the
commission of which could not be resisted despite all
human efforts. According to Quranic injunctions, even
if a woman is forced into prostitution by those under
whose custody she is, she is free from any guilt, sin
or whatever might be associated with it. Had the act
of Imrana been voluntary, then the situation would
have been totally different. This is a gross injustice
which can never be authenticated by Shariat, that a
poor woman was firstly raped by her father-in-law, and
then also deprived of her matrimonial life.
Such un-Islamic `Fatwas` are bound to project
Islam as a cruel and unjust religion, and I am sure,
that by acting in this most heinous and negative
manner, these obscurantist clergy class are
ruthlessly damaging the image of Islam as the most
progressive religion of the world. Such developments
amply manifest that these seminaries and `maulvi`
class have lost their utility in the Muslim society,
and the more free hand they are given in tampering
with Shariat, the more disastrous they will prove
themselves for the whole social and religious fabric
of the community. Now it is a time when a sustained
movement must be launced to keep the illiterate Muslim
masses away from the nefarious ideology of these
`Madarsas` and `Maulvis`, if Islam is to survive as a
modern religion in 21st century

Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani
President, All India Muslim Forum

Presently : Dean, Faculty of Law and Shariah
University of Zanzibar
Republic of Tanzania
Email:sherwanimk@yahoo.com


2. Juzar Bandukwala (Profesor, Baroda University)



The Imrana case and the Deoband fatwa, is
generating considerable anxiety . There is a fear that
we may be on the verge of another Shah Banu
disaster.The last thing the country needs at this
stage is another issue to widen the gulf between
Hindus and Muslims. The concern for Imrana is genuine
and admirable among human rights and women
activists.But there is also the Sangh Parivar that
would love to use this issue to increase stereotyping
of Muslims, and shed crocodile tears for the plight of
its women.

It is best that we refer to the actual
Koranic injunction. Surah 4, ayat 23, lays down those
with whom marriage( sexual intercourse) is not
allowed. `` Prohibited in marriage are your mother,
daughters, sisters, father`s sisters, mother`s
sisters, brother`s or sisters`s daughters, foster
mothers or foster daughters, wife`s mother, step
daughters, daughter in laws , and two sisters in
wedlock at the same time.``

In the Imrana case the father in law forced
himself onto his daughter in law. She screamed and
shouted for help. Clearly it was not with consent. The
father in law is obviously guilty, while the daughter
in law is the victim. The above injunction applies
only when consent is involved. The Imrana angle has to
be viewed from the viewpoint of a number of other
injunctions in the Koran, that demands compassion and
kindness to the victim.I am surprised the Deoband
ulemas failed to apply these Koranic commands.
Certainly Imrana, her husband and her five children
deserve these considerations.By declaring this
marriage to be null and void, the final price for this
dastardly act will be paid by the victims.That
violates the spirit and the letter of the Koran. The
Deoband ulemas have erred badly.

Sincerely Yours,
J.S.Bandukwala,
Vadodara [drbandukwala@yahoo.co.in]

3.




OUTRAGE

Victimising The Victim


ARSHAD ALAM


The controversy over the rape of a woman by her father-in-law has raised many pertinent issues. After the horrendous incident, the woman, a mother of five children, was told to consider her husband as her son by the local village council of elders. The initial resistance of this edict by the woman and her husband soon gave way to immense pressure put on them by the fatwa of Dar al Uloom, Deoband, which gave very nearly the same verdict, as that of the village council. It stipulated that the women in question could no longer live with her husband, since she ‘had sex’ with her own father-in-law.

The learned Mufti of Deoband, despite his scholarship, has punished a woman for no fault of hers. Doesn’t he know that remarriage of women in India is still not a norm, be it among Hindus or Muslims? One might ask how such a callous fatwa has been issued. After all, it is the same people who tell us that women and men are the same in Islam. Why then, we see that in cases such as these, it is only women who are at the receiving end?

The case of this woman from Uttar Pradesh is not unique, neither the first. Couple of years ago, a woman in Nigeria complained that she had been raped. The man denied the charge and under the Islamic requirement the woman could not produce witnesses. The end was that she was charged with adultery. The case of Amina Lawal which became internationally known was similarly the result of a ‘blame the victim’ mentality. The present case in India should be seen in this light and not as some isolated incident.

More and more it is becoming clearer that Sharia laws do not give adequate protection to women. It is not without reason therefore that Muslim women’s group are demanding changes in some of the Sharia laws. Their mistrust of Sharia laws only gets strong when we see that while the Dar al Uloom categorically wants the separation of the women in question from her husband, it suggests that the rapist father in law should be tried under the Indian penal code. So while women are to be covered under Personal Law, the men are free to enjoy the reformed secular law. The ‘islamicity’ of Indian Muslim men is therefore based on the degree to which they have control over their women.

The reaction by political parties to this case has shamefully been on predictable lines. The only ones who are raising this issue are the women’s group like AIDWA and All India Women’s Personal Law Board. The male dominated AIMPLB has already acquiesced in to the fatwa of Deoband, making it ever clearer that it is not the sole representative of Muslims in India. The most disgraceful so far has been Mulayam Singh Yadav who has welcomed the Deoband fatwa and has refused to entertain any other opinion than the one from Deoband. The Congress has similarly distanced itself from the issue. Its leader in Uttar Pradesh Salman Khurshid stated that the issue was an ‘individual one’ which should be dealt in accordance with the Shariat. After all what can one expect from a party, whose President had recently spoken from the platform of Jamiat ul-‘Ulama-I Hind, the apex body of the Deobandi Ulama in India?

Mainstream political parties have so far reinforced the impression that the Muslims in India are led by the Maulvis and madrasas, an impression which simplifies the complex character of the Muslims in India. However, in considering the Ulama as guardians of Muslim community in India, they have served to take the Muslims backwards and have throttled alternative progressive voices from within the community.

Muslims need to realize that it is only they who can change the way the community is looked upon by others. There is a need to change outmoded laws since they were drafted many hundred years ago and do not reflect the contemporary reality. So far the Muslims have left their religious affairs in the hands of Ulama. Time and again, they have reminded us that they are not willing to change. After all Personal Laws have been reformed in Pakistan, Malaysia and other Muslim countries and there is no reason why it cannot be done in India. Assigning the task to the Ulama has not brought desired changes. It is time perhaps that ordinary Muslims start taking more interest in the religious affairs of the community and not leave everything to the Ulama.

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Arshad Alam is International Ford Fellow, Department of Muslim Religious and Cultural History, University of Erfurt, Germany.




4. Zafar ul-Islam Khan, Editor, `Milli Gazette`, Delhi

Where did the AIMPLB support the fatwa? Iqtidar Naseem is a member but she
is not a scholar. The board has not met and its president (Maulana Rabey
Nadwi) or spokesman (Abudr Raheem Qureshi) have not uttered a single word.
On the other hand, a board member (Maulana Abdul Wahab Khilji) has openly
opposed the ``fatwa`` in a statement issued yesterday and carried by Urdu
papers today. It is still not clear on what basis the Deoband ``fatwa`` was
issued.

Our rep will be in Deoband tomorrow to try to find out how this ``fatwa`` was
issued and what basis was used to pronounce that Imrana no longer remained
wife of Noor Ilahi after the alleged crime.

According to a fact-find team led by Dr Tasleem Rahmani, president of the
Muslim Political Conference, the alleged rape did not take place (it was a
case of molestation/attempted rape). The issue was settled locally until an
area Hindi newspaper correspondent got wind of it and (as common with small
time journalists in far-off places) tried to blackmail the family to give
him Rs 10,000, failing which he threatened to publish the story in his
newspaper. As the poor family could not afford to offer him the bribe, the
correspondent went ahead and published the story. ZeeTV picked it up from
there and soon all channels and newspapers raided the area and blew the
story out of proportion just like they did a few weeks ago with Gudiya.

Zafarul-Islam Khan [zik@vsnl.com]

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Re: # 59
OH WOW!
I am startled by your sheer arrogance and ignorance.

Bravo!
Thou Hast Startled me!

HP/ShoreSahib: Peace, peace good fellows. :-)

(This is a line from my class 3 english language textbook).

Pakistan`s shame: The other rape case in Pakistan - and no one was found guilty.


Dr. Khalid leaves Pakistan