Our Turkic Connection

Alley # 6

(What do you mean by `accept our ownership of the Indus Valley, Vedic and Gandhara civilizations`)

Yes. I meant it in the history books & take a pride in it as well.

After all, the Egyptians are making billions out of Pyramids.

nhk

Malik # 99

Yes. You are right. My mistake. I corrected it in # 4.

nhk

Mr. Hyat,
Interesting article but I think that you are rewriting the History of Pakistan with just Islamic connection, same tune as your Govt is playing since Zia days.
Fact is that Turkic and Persian and other Central Asian rulers invaded India and what is Pakistan and enslaved the habitants and forced them to give up their religion. Since rulers were either Perisan or Turkic language and cultural invasion or import happened.
That is the plain truth, you can write however you like.

I am not calling anyone rith or wrong as these type invasions has been going on this planet since time immemorial.

Thanks

nazar saab...
my principles have been ruined by chowk editors... previously, i had the freedom to ignore front page articlesand stay away from wasting my vakuable comments, as most of those were either too difficult to comprehend or too long for my ADDS condition...but by printing my pee-piece on chowk, i too have been included in the comity of chowk writers...and since you praised my piece i am praising your`s...;)

A request for Mr Nazarhyat Khan.

How do I contact you. Its regarding something on wikipedia.

NHK: Was a great read. Learned alot.

Rahulmal: your comment was also really cool to read. you and rahulcapri seem like the same person.

temporal

Yes, I stand corrected. Thanks!

nazar saheb:

Thank you for writing this. Knowing and appreciating one’s history and heritage are important aspects of defining culture. Some friends and I are planning a trip to Turkey (among other places) for next year. If I have any questions, I know whom to ask at chowk.

That wasn’t “very polite” of nadir shah at all…to say the least :).

best
miriam

dost saheb:


:)


surely you meant `knack`

Nazar Saheb:

You have an amazing grasp over physical and human geography, and a lack of encapsulating complex subjects in a succinct and lucid manner. You are performing a big service. With the rich interacts that your articles generate, you should be able to convert these articles in a book form one day.

We do underestimte the Turk/Turkish impact on South Asia. One wonders, why? I was reading that the Mughals continued to use Turkee as their language at home until almost the end of their empire. And Mirza Ghalib, in his letters, makes a point of his being Turkish as opposed to a local Hindvi.

Thanks, again.

Dear Khan Sahib:
Have you tried to submit your story to be inserted into the book of ``Arabian Nights- the story of Thousand Nights and One. ``

They might publish this if it happens to be publishers of a Jihadi University in Pakistan. I am sure there will be few more customers like yourself . Why not try today?

Peace, Shalom, Salaam.

nazar:

thanks!

the nizams also had some turkish blood/connection...any info?

rgds

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NHK Bey,

What do you mean by

`accept our ownership of the Indus Valley, Vedic and Gandhara civilizations`

many of us already accept this, do you mean nationally in history books etc.?

``Its Eastern boundaries included the Eastern Mongolia, Eastern China and territories right upto river Indus in Pakistan. ``

Nazar sahib, I believe you meant to say `western Mongolia, western china``. I do not believe eastern or even middle china was ever a part of persian empire. For a large portion of Persian empire`s history, the land uptil Indus river made the eastern most fringes of Persian empire.

Rahulmal # 3

Thanks for the corrections.

I went to Tashkant and the architecture and gardens that I saw there were a photocopy of the achitecture and gardens we see around Lahore.

There were also some other surprises which I encounterd while studying this subject to satisfy my personal curiosity.

Another correction. In the second para, it is Western Mongolia and Western China.

nhk

Nazar Saab,

Very interesting! The grand race of Turks is indeed one of the most important people who shaped the History of Europe and Asia. In his book on Genghis khan, John Man argues that nomadism is not an intermediary stage between hunter-gatherer and agriculturists but a separate path of evolution. So, two paths:
hunter-gatherer -> Nomadic
hunter-gatherer -> Settled agriculturists

He feels nomdism should in no way be considered inferior to settled people who formed the great civilizations of yore.

There are some Historical inconsistencies in this piece:

1) Lodhis and Shershah Suri were Afghans, so the assertion that Abdali was the only Afghan to have ruled south-Asia is incorrect.
2) The slave dynasty was not established by Ghaznavi but Ghori. Ghaznavi dies in 1030, and Ghaznavid empire was eclipsed by Ghurids. Besides, Ghazni claimed Persian lineage through the last Persian kind Yedzigird (or some such). In 1192, Ghori defeated PrithviRaj and passed the reins to his slave Qutubuddin, who laid the foundation of Slave dunasty.
3) I`m not sure why you`ve attributed garden fetish to Turks, it is a Persian trait. Infact, Souroush (Cyrus) the Great was credited with creating beautiful gardens alongwith a huge empire. Turks not only adopted the language of the Iranians, they also imitated their high culture.

There are other Turkic tribes besides Ottomans who made their persence felt in Europe - Huns or Magyars from whom Hungary gets its name and Bulgars of Bulgaria. Khazars were an Asian Turkic people who adopted Judaism. I think they were the only Jewish dynasty in the whole world since the fall of second temple.