A Changed Landscape of Kashmir Conflict

Ranjit:

I have no problem debating the ``facts``. My problem is with the screwed up Naziesque solutions you come up with.

#15

And going by the standards of your ilk, your ``hostage`` or ``target`` will be the poorest and weakest person you can find, a powerloom operator in Bhiwandi maybe.

Lets see you take on Dawood`s patrons in Maharashtra goverment like the infamous Chagan Bhujbal then it will be worthy of admiration.

Re:#16 bongdongs

If you think the islamization of West Bengal is far-fetched, go and talk to some bongs in C.R. Park in Delhi. They are all descendents of refugees in 1947. They will tell you what their parents and grand-parents faced in East Bengal in 1947 in places like Noakhali or how Suhrawardy encourage hindu massacares in Calcutta. As you mindlessly convert West Bengal to a muslim majority state, your only choice may be to get converted as well.

Exactly..stupid bongs have no idea what they are in for. Muslims already constitute 60-70% of the population of 3-4 districts in West Bengal.

#16 bongdongs

Actually you should watch out for your family, as West Bengal becomes a muslim majority state thanks to the commies that you keep electing there mindlessly. Your family may end up taking refuge in Bihar as a muslim west bengal kicks them out.

#15

Actually I have a better idea, lets use your family as a hostage and then we will ask Togadia to migrate to Saudia.

what say, deal?

Re:stuka

Keeping aside foul language, how about debating the facts? Every day in Kashmir, 10-15 people get killed. Recently school children were killed in a bomb blast. This is in spite of starting the bus service to Muzaffarabad, allowing the APHC leaders to visit Pakistan, having free and fair elections to let Kashmiris elect their own government and pouring billions of dollars in aid. On top of it hindus have been ethnically cleansed from Kashmir valley, pretty much in the same way your family got ethnically cleansed from Punjab in 1947.

How long are we going to wallow in our impotence? Should we keep on ``negotiating`` while giving a daily human sacrifice of 10-15 people to the God of Islam? When do we say, enough is enough? What is wrong in using the river waters to blackmail Pakistan into submission? Pakistan`s soft spot is Islam. Why not use the Kashmiri and Indian muslims as a hostage to blackmail them into giving up Kashmir?

#9 by hassansiddiqi on July 4, 2005 2:01pm PT


There should be no doubt in anyone`s mind that Kashmir is a dispute.


And there should be no doubt in YOUR mind that India isn`t going to agree to a change in boundaries any time soon...


Without its resolution, there can be no peace between India and Pakistan.


What makes you think the resolution will be to your liking?


In my opinion, the solution to this dispute lies in an environment of interdependence between Pakistan and India. Both nations have a lot to offer to each other when it comes to trade. An increase in trade should result in improved economic relations.


Your government begs to differ...They`re saying ``Trade with India linked to Kashmir solution`` i.e. hand over Kashmir in a platter and we`ll be generous enough to give you access to our market(which is worth a 10th of the whole Indian market)...

Maybe they should link an internet connection to India to the resolution of the Kashmir dispute..


However, there should be some adjustments with regards to water supplies and things of that nature for both countries.


That`s what this is about, isn`t it? The water?



Without a win-win situation for Pakistanis, Indians and Kashmiris, there cannot be a resolution.


Sheesh...if there WAS a win-win, don`t you think someone would have thought of it by now?

Wasiey, idiots like Mike and Ranjit sit in front of a computer and salivate over killing people as if it is playing kanchey...have u even stabbed or bashed someone with a hockey stick?

Or are you idiots mirror images of the Pakistani elite that created a Jehadi culture for the poor while sitting in air-conditioned comfort of the Defence club themselves?

Mike, Ranjit:

Abey, did u two Chutiyas attend Sachdeva New PT College to get a Diploma in Chutyapa? Just Curious!!!

Ranjit ...okay , forget the part about `our people` ...but your idea of holding Indian muslims as `hostages` to scare the Pakis is silly. First of all Pakis couldn`t give a flying f about Indian muslims , they would only laugh inside at our stupidity and cry crocodile tears , and the international community would condemn India as a nazi-like state. Indian muslims can be controlled by using the force of the state..silently but effectively.

But I am in full favor of Kashmiri muslims being killed and their women raped. More the merrier.

Mike,

Have you seen the news articles in the past 2 years? Every couple of months, the Delhi police is breaking up a jehadi cell in Delhi and killing LeT or JeM jihadies. In one case, the jehadies were planning to blow up the IMA in Dehradun. We have been lucky that we have not witnessed an incident in North India of major proportions.

In each of these cases, the jehadies had local help. Yes, your very own Indian muslims whom you consider as ``our people``. These are a bunch of rattlesnakes who already bit us in 1947 when they championed the creation of Pakistan. They have been quiet for a while, since their numbers went down after partition. However, if you think they consider themselves as Indians, you are fooling yourself. Even if it were true, the real question is that as Hindus, why should we allow muslims to live with us? Why should we allow a community that hates us and divided our land to live among us? Why do we need them and why do we need to give them equality?

There should be no doubt in anyone`s mind that Kashmir is a dispute. Without its resolution, there can be no peace between India and Pakistan. The resolution of Kashmir will definitely bring about numerous economic benefits to both countries, thereby improving the lives of the common man in Pakistan, India and Kashmir.

In my opinion, the solution to this dispute lies in an environment of interdependence between Pakistan and India. Both nations have a lot to offer to each other when it comes to trade. An increase in trade should result in improved economic relations. Eventually, a time will come when both countries will actually protect each other for the sake of continuing economic benefit to both countries. At this point in time, Kashmir as a whole should be given joint protection by the two countries. The state of Kashmir (Azad as well as J&K) should be provided a framework whereby Kashmir would function as a separate state. However, there should be some adjustments with regards to water supplies and things of that nature for both countries.

This is not a definitive solution by any means. However, it highlights the elements required for a long lasting solution. Without a win-win situation for Pakistanis, Indians and Kashmiris, there cannot be a resolution. It requires courageous leadership from Pakistan, India and the Kashmiri politicians to come together and show flexibility in giving the common people of all three nations what they deserve - lasting peace and its consequent benefits.

Ranjit , while I fully agree with your first suggestion .....blocking the flow of rivers flowing into Pakistan or contaminating them with radioactive waste.....your second suggestion about holding Indian muslims as `hostages` is silly , counter-productive and even lunatic. Indian muslims ...atleast the non-Kashmiri Indian muslims are our people.

I fully recommend the mass massacre of kashmiri muslims and holding Kashmiri muslim women as sex slaves though.

The Kashmir problem can be solved immediately if India has any guts. India holds two trump cards over Pakistan - the entire water supply to Pakistan passes via Kashmir and secondly it has 100 million plus muslims. If India uses one or both of these trump cards, Pakistan will surrender the issue right away.

India must immediately withdraw from the Indus water treaty. Then it can threaten Pakistan that unless it gives up claims on Kashmir immediately, India will construct dams and barrages that will divert all the water away from Paksitan that will lead to famine and starvation over there. To make an immediate impact, India should threaten that it will dump tons of radioactive waste into the river waters flowing into Pakistan unless there is an immediate halt and dismantling of all terrorist infrastructure. Therefore, there will either be no water or contaminated water flowing into Pakistan. Lets see how long their jehadi fervour or lust for Kashmir continues.

Secondly if nothing else works, India can hold the 100 million plus IMs as hostage. If you kill Indians in Kashmir, we will retaliate by killing muslims in rest of India in a 1:10 ratio. Then we will see how long they can keep at it. In no circumstances should India compromise anything at all with Pakistan. Soft borders with Pakistan is a recipe for suicide, as Pakistan floods us with illegal immigrants and jehadis. We do not want good relations, we do not want trade with muslims and we certainly do not want to travel to their land. We want them to forget about Kashmir and lead their own lives. That`s it!!

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