A Changed Landscape of Kashmir Conflict

For more than one and a half years, General Musharraf has been bending backwards to accommodate the Indian leaders.

How? Have terrorist attacks in J&K stopped? No. Have they reduced? Yes, but that is more due to the fence and less due to Pakistan’s commitment that it wouldn’t allow its soil to be used to mount attacks on India. All the other gestures, such as allowing the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus have been purely PR exercises to win international acclaim and nothing more.

The General refutes these allegations and says that his proposals do not negate the principled stance of Pakistan.

And the ‘principled’ stance of Pakistan is what? That Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan. So how is Mushy “bending over backwards to accommodate Indian leaders”?

Mirwaiz, on his return to Srinagar, wrote an article in the Hindustan Times, saying that it will not be acceptable to split Kashmir on the basis of “religion, ethnic or regional divisions”.

Where was this gentleman when Kashmiri Pandits were being hounded out of their homes? When mosque loudspeakers were blaring threats to the Pandits, asking them to leave the valley, but without their wives and daughters? What moral right does he have to speak on their behalf?

[More than 80,000 Kashmiri lives have been lost and countless women raped, since the 1989 home grown revolt against the 700,000-strong Indian forces, but these gross human rights violations remained part of the bilateral dispute.]

Just where do Pakis get their figures from? India’s Army is 1.2 million strong. If 700,000 of them are in Kashmir, does it mean that only 500,000 of them are there to defend the entire India-China border in case of a Chinese attack? Which world do you guys live in?


With due respect to the writer’s opinions, I feel there is no way Kashmiris are going to get independence. There is only one way out for both the Kashmiris and Pakis, and that is the LoC as the IB. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only living in a fool’s paradise. Period.

So finally these ISI agents could pay respects to their masters...........de-briefed their handlers..............negotiated their raise..........and are now back for some more action............and imagine they want to represent Kashmiris without contesting the elections???

Hasnat Sahib:

You say,``..For more than one and a half years, General Musharraf has been bending backwards to accommodate the Indian leaders....``

Don`t you think time has come that the commando General and his coterie bend forward on their knees to Indians? They may get something in return this time.

Peace.

For more than one and a half years, General Musharraf has been bending backwards to accommodate the Indian leaders.


It`s called waking up and smelling the coffee....If you need to bend over backwards to see the reality that India isn`t about to give up Indian Kashmir and everything you`ve tried so far has failed, you have bigger problems...


The critics of Musharraf’s policy of reconciliation towards India argue that although he presented many concessions, one after another, he got little in return.


a concession would be giving up something he had, not giving up something he`s always lusted for....It`s not a concession when you decide to finally come around and accept the reality..


As a result of these developments, the tensions between the two countries eased out, but so far no substantial progress has been made, either on “minor” issues or on Kashmir itself.


``progress`` is usually pakispeak for handing over land...ain`t gonna happen...deal with it..


After all it marginalized Pakistan’s position and the circumstances are moving fast towards the conception of an independent Kashmir.


independent Kashmir only if you`re willing to make Azad Kashmir an independent country....if you think Indian Kashmir is going to break away from India any time soon, you`re somking something...


At the same moment, as a result of the Jahidi fallout, the Pakistani society suffered tremendously, in the shape of rising militancy and violence.


A strategy that will go down in history as suicide by a thousand self-inflicted wounds...


where even the meaning of freedom has to be rewritten.


It might be re-written as India keeping Indian Kashmir and fairly open borders for Kashmiris to travel back and forth...that`s the extent of it...

``His declared intention is to resolve the main dispute of Kashmir, during his tenure in office. ``


Best way for him to say that he wants to remain in office till the end of his days. :)

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The Kashmir problem can be solved immediately if India has any guts. India holds two trump cards over Pakistan - the entire water supply to Pakistan passes via Kashmir and secondly it has 100 million plus muslims. If India uses one or both of these trump cards, Pakistan will surrender the issue right away.

India must immediately withdraw from the Indus water treaty. Then it can threaten Pakistan that unless it gives up claims on Kashmir immediately, India will construct dams and barrages that will divert all the water away from Paksitan that will lead to famine and starvation over there. To make an immediate impact, India should threaten that it will dump tons of radioactive waste into the river waters flowing into Pakistan unless there is an immediate halt and dismantling of all terrorist infrastructure. Therefore, there will either be no water or contaminated water flowing into Pakistan. Lets see how long their jehadi fervour or lust for Kashmir continues.

Secondly if nothing else works, India can hold the 100 million plus IMs as hostage. If you kill Indians in Kashmir, we will retaliate by killing muslims in rest of India in a 1:10 ratio. Then we will see how long they can keep at it. In no circumstances should India compromise anything at all with Pakistan. Soft borders with Pakistan is a recipe for suicide, as Pakistan floods us with illegal immigrants and jehadis. We do not want good relations, we do not want trade with muslims and we certainly do not want to travel to their land. We want them to forget about Kashmir and lead their own lives. That`s it!!

Ranjit , while I fully agree with your first suggestion .....blocking the flow of rivers flowing into Pakistan or contaminating them with radioactive waste.....your second suggestion about holding Indian muslims as `hostages` is silly , counter-productive and even lunatic. Indian muslims ...atleast the non-Kashmiri Indian muslims are our people.

I fully recommend the mass massacre of kashmiri muslims and holding Kashmiri muslim women as sex slaves though.

There should be no doubt in anyone`s mind that Kashmir is a dispute. Without its resolution, there can be no peace between India and Pakistan. The resolution of Kashmir will definitely bring about numerous economic benefits to both countries, thereby improving the lives of the common man in Pakistan, India and Kashmir.

In my opinion, the solution to this dispute lies in an environment of interdependence between Pakistan and India. Both nations have a lot to offer to each other when it comes to trade. An increase in trade should result in improved economic relations. Eventually, a time will come when both countries will actually protect each other for the sake of continuing economic benefit to both countries. At this point in time, Kashmir as a whole should be given joint protection by the two countries. The state of Kashmir (Azad as well as J&K) should be provided a framework whereby Kashmir would function as a separate state. However, there should be some adjustments with regards to water supplies and things of that nature for both countries.

This is not a definitive solution by any means. However, it highlights the elements required for a long lasting solution. Without a win-win situation for Pakistanis, Indians and Kashmiris, there cannot be a resolution. It requires courageous leadership from Pakistan, India and the Kashmiri politicians to come together and show flexibility in giving the common people of all three nations what they deserve - lasting peace and its consequent benefits.

Mike,

Have you seen the news articles in the past 2 years? Every couple of months, the Delhi police is breaking up a jehadi cell in Delhi and killing LeT or JeM jihadies. In one case, the jehadies were planning to blow up the IMA in Dehradun. We have been lucky that we have not witnessed an incident in North India of major proportions.

In each of these cases, the jehadies had local help. Yes, your very own Indian muslims whom you consider as ``our people``. These are a bunch of rattlesnakes who already bit us in 1947 when they championed the creation of Pakistan. They have been quiet for a while, since their numbers went down after partition. However, if you think they consider themselves as Indians, you are fooling yourself. Even if it were true, the real question is that as Hindus, why should we allow muslims to live with us? Why should we allow a community that hates us and divided our land to live among us? Why do we need them and why do we need to give them equality?

Ranjit ...okay , forget the part about `our people` ...but your idea of holding Indian muslims as `hostages` to scare the Pakis is silly. First of all Pakis couldn`t give a flying f about Indian muslims , they would only laugh inside at our stupidity and cry crocodile tears , and the international community would condemn India as a nazi-like state. Indian muslims can be controlled by using the force of the state..silently but effectively.

But I am in full favor of Kashmiri muslims being killed and their women raped. More the merrier.

Mike, Ranjit:

Abey, did u two Chutiyas attend Sachdeva New PT College to get a Diploma in Chutyapa? Just Curious!!!

Wasiey, idiots like Mike and Ranjit sit in front of a computer and salivate over killing people as if it is playing kanchey...have u even stabbed or bashed someone with a hockey stick?

Or are you idiots mirror images of the Pakistani elite that created a Jehadi culture for the poor while sitting in air-conditioned comfort of the Defence club themselves?

#9 by hassansiddiqi on July 4, 2005 2:01pm PT


There should be no doubt in anyone`s mind that Kashmir is a dispute.


And there should be no doubt in YOUR mind that India isn`t going to agree to a change in boundaries any time soon...


Without its resolution, there can be no peace between India and Pakistan.


What makes you think the resolution will be to your liking?


In my opinion, the solution to this dispute lies in an environment of interdependence between Pakistan and India. Both nations have a lot to offer to each other when it comes to trade. An increase in trade should result in improved economic relations.


Your government begs to differ...They`re saying ``Trade with India linked to Kashmir solution`` i.e. hand over Kashmir in a platter and we`ll be generous enough to give you access to our market(which is worth a 10th of the whole Indian market)...

Maybe they should link an internet connection to India to the resolution of the Kashmir dispute..


However, there should be some adjustments with regards to water supplies and things of that nature for both countries.


That`s what this is about, isn`t it? The water?



Without a win-win situation for Pakistanis, Indians and Kashmiris, there cannot be a resolution.


Sheesh...if there WAS a win-win, don`t you think someone would have thought of it by now?

Re:stuka

Keeping aside foul language, how about debating the facts? Every day in Kashmir, 10-15 people get killed. Recently school children were killed in a bomb blast. This is in spite of starting the bus service to Muzaffarabad, allowing the APHC leaders to visit Pakistan, having free and fair elections to let Kashmiris elect their own government and pouring billions of dollars in aid. On top of it hindus have been ethnically cleansed from Kashmir valley, pretty much in the same way your family got ethnically cleansed from Punjab in 1947.

How long are we going to wallow in our impotence? Should we keep on ``negotiating`` while giving a daily human sacrifice of 10-15 people to the God of Islam? When do we say, enough is enough? What is wrong in using the river waters to blackmail Pakistan into submission? Pakistan`s soft spot is Islam. Why not use the Kashmiri and Indian muslims as a hostage to blackmail them into giving up Kashmir?

#15

Actually I have a better idea, lets use your family as a hostage and then we will ask Togadia to migrate to Saudia.

what say, deal?