Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

Naqshbandi,

I explained your misinterpretation of Quran on end of prophethood (#98). It seems you don’t have anything to make your case. Here’re a few Quranic references that support continuation of prophethood.

- In the very first chapter (surah-e-fatiha), believers are commanded to pray to Allah … “guide us along the right path … the path of those on whom Thou bestowed Thy favors … not the path of those who earned Thy wrath and went astray”.

Quran gives account of several nations who accepted Allah’s prophets and were blessed … and also those who rejected prophets and were punished for it. In light of verse cited above, it seems reasonable that prophets will continue to appear … and believers should strive to be the ones who accept them and follow them.

- O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles (rasool) from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve … - (Quran, 7:35)

Here Quran tells believers to accept messengers of Allah whenever they appear. You think this commandment is now out-dated … but for me Quran is a timeless Book.

There’s more … but you get the point.
I`ll post more on ahadith ... to show how you’ve misinterpreted them in #99 ...

Urstruly (re #95):

Your reasoning employs double standards …

- If you have a problem with “ilhaam turning into fitna” … maybe you should’ve been around 1400 years ago … and explained this to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Ilham is from Allah Almighty, whereas fitna is caused by disbelievers in response.

- If claims of prophethood bother you, ask yourself … why did Jesus claim to be a prophet? May be he should have simply claimed to be a teacher.

Claims of prophethood bothered enemies of prophet Muhammad, Moses, Jesus (pbu them), and more. In retaliation unbelievers violently presecuted believers. Quran is a witness to this truth as history repeats itself.

sattar

Sometimes I wonder what could be your motive to write about your religion here. There can be only be two motives to that:

1. Proselytize your religion

2. Cope with your identity crises

Assumption# 1:

If you are here to prolselytize then you would not use an antagonistic attitude on every matter with other people. The last thing that you would ever do would be to antagonize people by ridiculing their belief system. You would not lie to make a political point. And you would present a better picture of your belief system that would make sense to other people but you don`t. That brings us to my second assumption.



Assumption#2

I am more inclined to think that you Quadiani people are suffering from acute identity crises. Your dilemma is that you want to become very people you want to despise so much, whereas you want those people to become what you are now. This is an impossible objective. This objective in mind will confuse the bejesus out of any sane minded individual. Take for example, hamidm, he pretends to be an atheist to misguide the people he dispises so much. And take tahmad, he pretends to be a devout Muslim. Two different approaches - one objective. And you my friend are the most pathetic of this lot. The years of hatered, frustration, and bigotry that is drilled into people like you since childhood is begining to take its toll. Life is short and human beings are not cut out enduring this kind of mental torture. Probably, this torture is the revenge that He exacts upon people like you. There is a way out. Take Zehra Rizvi, a contributor at this website, who has said adios to her faith for good. She is out of its matters. she doesnt want to change more people, and she doesn`t care what others do. She is at peace. On the other hand their is a curse upon people like hamidm, salman rushdie, and yourself. Once you are out of Islam, you cannot free yourself. You cannot achieve peace. Bhai iss mazhab se itni nafrat hay tau iss ki dhooi say nikkal jao. But I guess people like you are sent by Him to make us feel that how lucky we are.

Naqshbandi (#79):

Part of your problem is mistranslating ahadith. Note that the dear Prophet (pbuh) spoke neither English nor Urdu. He spoke Arabic. You are applying Urdu meaning of your liking to an Arabic word … simply because it sounds Urdu. Consider for example, the hadith you yourself quoted (as did Urstruly) … before becoming silent on it (as did Urstruly):

”I am the last (akhir) prophet and this mosque of mine is the last (akhir) mosque.”

What does the Arabic word “akhir” mean here? The ``last ever``? I hope not.

Your continued silence on this suggests you are clueless … and are only parroting what your imams asked you to memorize.

You also did not comment on #61 regarding “miracles of Quran”. Note that in Quran Allah commands the dear Prophet (pbuh) that if people demand miracles from you, say … ``I am but a human sent as a messenger`` (Surah-e-Israel).

Urstruly …

Any comments on #77 …??

What about rivers flowing from Prophet’s fingers (as explained by Naqsh)? Is this innovation enough for you???

sattar,

you may shout as much as you will but as my posts --from qur`an and hadith have shown the Prophet is the last prophet and everyone after him who claims such is a dajjal. I notice you have not only given khatam an nabbiyeen a new meaning (the actual meaning according to the Arabic language is given in my post to rizwan.

You boasted to urstruly that he couldn`t produce the hadiths he mentioned. well, kafira, here are some:

The belief of ``Khatm-e-Nubuwwat`` (finality of prophethood) has also been stressed in a number of Ahaadeeth which reach the sublime degree of Tawaatur (continuty). That is why Allaamah Aaloosi rahmatullahi alayh has said:

``And the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam being the final prophet is a belief based on what the Qur`aan has described, and the Sunnah has stated clearly and the (Consensus) Ijmaa`a of the Ummah. Therefore the claimant or the believer of a belief other than this will be declared a kaafir and killed if he insists.

(Roohul Ma`aani, Page 65, Volume 7)

Now, we will quote a few authentic Ahaadeeth for the benefit of the readers.

1.

``My likeness and the likeness of the prophets before me is the likeness of a person who built a house and made it complete and beautiful, except the place of a brick in a corner. So people began to go around it and wonder at it and say, ``Why has not this brick been placed?`` (The Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ``I am the brick and I am the last of the prophets.``

Bukhaari, Page 501, Volume 2

Muslim, Page 248, Volume 2
2.

``The Holy Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam said to Ali radhiyallahu anhu, ``You stand to me in the same relation as Haaroon alayhis salaam stood to Moosaa alayhis salaam, except that there is no prophet after me. ``

Bukhaari, Page 633, Volume 2

Muslim, Page 278, Volume 2
3.

``Verily, the apostle-ship and prophethood has finished. So there is no apostle and no prophet after me.``

Tirmizi
4.

``I am the last of the prophets and you are the last of the Ummahs (nations).``

Ibne Maajah, Page 307
5.

``....Verily, thirty liars will be born in my Ummah; every one of them will claim to be a prophet, though I am the last of the prophets, and there will be no prophet after me.``

Tirmizi, Page 45, Volume 2

There are more than 200 authentic Ahaadeeth which support the belief of ``Khatm-e-Nubuwwat`` (finality of prophethood). Hence, this doctrine is decidedly and unanimously acknowledged an article of faith in Islaam. At the same time I would like to draw your attention particularly towards the last Hadeeth where the Holy Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam, besides confirming this belief in hundreds of his sayings, clearly predicted that claimants to prophethood will be born in his Ummah after him. The Holy Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam has, therefore, warned the Muslims to beware of such impostors and always keep in mind that: ``I am the last of the prophets``, which obviously means that, ``there will be no prophet of any kind after me. ``

For more see this website: http://www.islaam.org/Finality/Finality-1.htm#The%20Finality%20Of

Naqshbandi (#79):

You are misinterpreting Quranic verses to support your view of end of prophethood. Read my brief comments in response.

- This day I have perfected your religion for you, computed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion (5:4).

Allah perfecting His favors … is not the same as Allah ending his favors. Allah continues to bestow His favors on people … universe continues to function according to physical laws, people have children, prayers get answered, people give charity … life goes on. In short, Allah’s favors continue. His spiritual favors achieved perfection in the Law of Quran… and that is what this verse refers to. Since Allah’s favors continue, why will prophethood end?

- Say! O people! I am sent unto you all as the apostle of Allah (7:158)

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet for all ages. Agreed. But this does not mean end of propehthood.

Moses (pbuh) was a prophet for Israelites. However, later Allah also raised Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet for Israelites. Jesus came to revive the message of Moses. Re-read this line.

Similarly, coming of future prophets to revive message of Quran … is fully consistent with “Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being the prophet for all ages”. This is the meaning of khatam-un-nabiyeen … the most exalted prophet.

- We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to mankind giving them glad-tidings and warning them (against sin ), but most people understand not (34:28)

Same as above ... othing new to add here.
Got any more from Quran???

Nabi is who convey the message, Nabi-e-Allah is the teacher, appointed by God to teach.

Rasul is who brings the message.

Rasul and Nabi is who brings the message and teaches the message.

Real fitna is when you start claiming ``Our prophet Muhmmad`` and ``Our Islam`` and ``Our Quran``, and through un-guided and mis-understood notions try to confine a Universal and beatuiful Religion of Islam.

What kind of ``Irfan`` is obtained by being naked and remaining naked,

Nauz-Billah, why not you have a sunnah of this thing, if it such a great thing.

Depth of ignorance.

is there anything worse than the poor qadianis ?

urstruly states : ``innovation in the matters of faith is haraam; just a seemingly ``harmless`` concept of ilhaam turns into a fitna as vile and destructive as that of Quadianiyat``

........... and this is from a man who has happily embraced the recent ``innovations`` of suicidal and homicidal bombings ! .......... so what does he propose we do with the qadianis - kill, quarter, maime, or behead ? ............ i am sure sattar and his family are anxious to know what the faithful and vengeful megalomaniacs propose for them ! ...............

Naqshbandi

Every post after 67 is proof positive why innovation in the matters of faith is haraam; just a seemingly ``harmless`` concept of ilhaam turns into a fitna as vile and destructive as that of Quadianiyat. Why can`t the holy men be given just the status of teachers instead of something in the line of prophets and angels. After all teaching is the sunnah of Prophets and their status is equal to that of ones father or mother.

zahra--i am surprised--not that you found it boring but the comment about alqabaats: i deliberately left out most of the alqabaat when doing the translation.

Asif,

This was torture. If you start writing this kind of convoluted stuff then you should be banned from Chowk. Half of this write-up is full of alqabaat and extensions of people`s names. I glanced through first 5 lines and last passage.
Boring, Boring and Boring!

Re: # 91

As long as the word ``naked`` appears on the essay/article i will defintiely be interested.

Just a question: I am thinking of translating other biographies of sufi saints from the same book, particularly the well known punjabi sufis. would people be interested?

Talk about progress!!.I think this article is appropriate for this board!!!.

UNI

Condom vending machines to hit Kerala


Sunday, 17 July , 2005, 12:10

Thiruvananthapuram: Insert a coin before you undertake another misadventure! This may be the advice given by the Kerala State AIDS Control Society (KSACS) gives to sex workers. View: Sify offbeat special

Especially to target sex workers and their customers, the society, in tie up with the Hindustan Latex Family Planning Promotion Trust, will install 50 condom vending machines at major cities like Thiruvananthapuram, Ernakulam and Kozhikode this week.

Two pieces of condoms will eject from the machine once a one rupee coin is inserted into it. Initially, social marketing brands such as Nirodh will be made available through the vending machines.

If other players in the condom market comes forward to install similar machines, a wide range of condoms will be available.

“Our idea is to make available condoms round the clock. Now, there is a problem in getting it once shops are closed in the evening,” Dr S K Hari Kumar, manager of Kerala Condom Promotion Project, said.

One hundred such vending machines would be installed in a phased manner in various parts of the state at strategic locations, so that condoms are easily available to all, especially the high-risk groups.

The condom promotion project is an initiative of Hindustan Latex ltd., the largest condom maker in the public sector in India, to promote the message of protected or safe sex.

In the first phase, low socio-economic groups, especially high-risk groups such as commercial sex workers and homosexuals, were targeted. So only the subsidised social marketing brands such as Nirodh will be made available through the vending machines.

Reality is always stranger than fiction.

Reminds me about Archimedes of Greece and his famous Eureka. There defintely was a state of his mind where he forgot everything and danced naked in the streets. What was that?

Mr. Naqsbandi,

Scholars Vs Sufis, has always been the contention, scholars with dry words and rules, real-sufi with essense and comprehensive understanding of Islam.

Then I see your attempt to define ``Wahee`` and ``Illahaat``, based on what? from which source? fragment of your imagination? from limited reading of ``half baked scholar``.

Let me help you, Quran says that ``Earth will be given ``wahee`` on day-of-Zalzal``.

How can you and your naked-faqir, high on opium, can understand these things, it requires pure heart of a sufi to understand these things, as Quran says.


And one last hit on your ignorance; did you say Quran is for Muslims? are you awake? or else what were you smoking when said this.This shows depth of ignorance; darkness.