Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

CORRECT CONCEPT OF ``MAJZOB`` ACCORDING TO REAL SUFIA`S

The status of the people on the path of JAZB is greater than those on the path of Salook; the term JAZB implies absorption of the love of God. Those who strive on the path of Jazb are not left at the stage of Salook; God deliberately puts them through ordeals and tribulations in order to draw them close to Himself through the eternal power of absorption, that is, JAZBA-E-AZLI. All the Prophets of God were MAJZOOB, that is, they were drawn to God and were absorbed in God.

When the human soul is faced with painful ordeals and tribulations, the experience and the consequent humility makes it radiant. Just as iron or glass while possessing the capacity to shine, shine only after they have undergone a lengthy process of burnishing and then they shine so brightly that in them is reflected the face person looking gin. Striving in the path of God also works as a process of burnishing. The burnishing of the heart should be such a degree that the face is reflected in the resulting mirror of heart. What is meant by ‘reflection of the face? The meaning of this is to become the fulfillment of the saying, ‘Create with in you morals in accordance with “Character” of God’. The heart of the Salik, that is, the initiate, is a ‘mirror’ that is burnished so much through undergoing experiences of great suffering and tribulation that the reflection of the moral qualities of the Holy Prophet are fixed upon it. This occurs at a time when, having undergone numerous spiritual exercises and inner purification, there remain no resentment or impurity within. It is only when that this status is attained, Every Muslim believer needs this kind of cleansing to some extent. No believer will find salvation whilst being without the ‘mirror’ of the heart.

Re: # 66

satyamvada

Bullshit!.Doing what you say will only mess up a person even more.The evidence is all around you.I needn`t say more.

Re: # 57


naqsh,

....... i honestly believe that your brand of sufi islam is much better and a lot less dangerous than urstruly`s puritanical and stern wahabism that cause people to blow themselves up ......... i liken your islam to the hippie culture based on psychaedelic drugs and rock and roll music - everyone was happy ............ actuallytey were very very happy ........... i remember going to the mazar of bari imam (in the good old days before they started setting off bombs) and drinking the heavenly elixir pounded by the happy malangs to the chants of ``allah hu`` and the tinkling of gunghroo bells ......... it was indeed a spiritual experience ! ...... i never felt closer to god ...........

“Presently, I am drowned [mustaghraq] in Negation [9] ; I have not yet reached the (spiritual) station of Affirmation yet. If I read the full kalimah in this state, I will be telling a lie.”
I am in tears...........no words can express this essense of Islam which cannot be fathomed by the literalists................

Regarding the miracles part, I agree with you Sattar mian!! I am also amazed that some one who understands Hazrat Sarmad`s metaphors fails to understand the richness of clear metaphors that the Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alayhi wa Sallam) had used. I did not know that naqshabandi tariqah relies on the dominent literalist Sunni understanding of metaphors which turned Aurangzeb into a murderer of Hazrat Samrad.
One needs to interpret the metaphors through the language of one`s heart (like his statement that ``There is not God.`` ) that Hazrat Samrad was versed with- and not make the same mistake of taking literalist interpretation of the clear metaphors in Quran.

Re: # 50 Naqshbandi

You write``Urstruly: sadly you have misunderstood what bida`h means. NOT every new thing in the religion is a bad bida`h. The traditional Sunni ulama have divided bida`h into different categories: haram, makruh, mandub, wajib. ``

Reply:

I accept and subscribe to these categories or classification of innovations. For example, Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself encouraged innovation in the matter of fiqah and jurisprudence using ijtehad. But what I wrote was that ``innovation in the matters of faith is haram and forbidden. For eaxmple, an overwhelming number of people in subcontinent have started believing that Quwwali is a form of worship or getting intoxicated with hemp or even liquor to get into the condition of ``jazb`` is ok, since it brings you `closer to God`. Or they ``believe`` that dead pirs and saints have powers to give them what is only attributed to Allah Himself. This is shirk. Lets not forget that Islam came to finish Iconolatery in all shapes and forms whether it is in the form of worshiping dead or alive pirs, or their tombs, or by whirling like midless zombies or any other form of ``worship`` that Holy Prophet (pbuh) has not practiced himself. Why can`t we keep our religion simple and straightforward as it was given to us - why do we have to innovate to make it complicated.

Cayenne,

How come you have not posted a link to skyscraper city yet ? :)
Dude, it is high time you spent a little time understanding your own cultural and
dharmic background. It will make you a more complete person.

The Indian economy is growing now, it is great. It will suffer a correction and will
again grow - it is all a part of the economic cycle. One thing we must be glad about
however, is the weakening of the commies.

Everything on this site ends up in a pissing contest of stale religious dogma by insidious individuals with hidden agendas.Not on this board too!!!.Sickening!!.

naqshbandi:

Enjoyed your story about Hazrad Sarmand. Do you anything abuout Kashmiri sufis and the relationship between them and the Hindu Rishis? I am told that the shaivite rishis and Muslim sufis were very close, even the shaivite mantra bore close resemblance to the Muslim sufi chant.

For those who do not know:

1) Dara Shikoh had the Upanishads translated into Persian. He was very much influenced
by it, which of course was against what Auranzeb stood for. Aurangzeb had
Dara-Shikoh killed. The persian translation called sirre-akbar reached europe.
Hopefully the Islam in India and Pakistan - will adopt and evolve using the
Dara Shikoh version rather than that of Aurangzeb.

2) ``dream of non-existence`` is also again from the Upanishads (also called Vedanta)
The upanishads are the 4th part of the Veda (the other 3 parts are samhita, brahmana,
and aranyaka). Upanishads are called Vedanta - because the are considered to
contain the essence of the veda. This concept of waking up from `maya` is fundamental
to the Advaita siddhanta. The idea is that one gets `moksha` (liberation from the cycle
of life and death) when one attains `brahma-jnana`

3) Many of these so called `sufis` are remnants of pre-islamic thought and ways that
exist in the sub-continent. However, there were a few sufi`s who acted as agents of
the more hardcore sunni islam.

my question to naqshbandi saheb is where in quran it says that hazrat yusuf was the manifestation of allah for zulaikha... i have already quoted the verses wherein it clearly states what the woman tried with the prophet and failed and then put the blame on him thereby getting him jailed for a number of years...and this maulana saheb is telling some one....quote`` like Zuleykha saw God manifested in Yusuf alayhisalam ``....

Naqshbandi (#56):

Part of the problem lies with your brand of idiotic Islam. Once you made incorrect, debasing comments about Mirza Sahib. I challenged you to substantiate your statements, but you did not. Neither did you take back filth you wrote. Urstruly looked into mullah’s claims and admitted that they were without merit. You indeed are a stupid monkey. Moving along …

Miracles in Quran …???

Once again, your main problem is your wild imagination. Read on ...

- “Fire cools … when Allah orders it”. This depends upon your interpretation. When water is poured, it too cools the fire … by Allah’s commandment. Where does Qurna rule out such realistic possibilities in Abraham’s case?

- An “infant speaking” is a metaphor for a young man/child who is very wise for his age.

- “People rising from dead” is a metaphor referring to spiritual revival as people adopt righteousness. This also explains dead children being brought to life (although I suspect this is probably an embellished tale). If I recall correctly, Lazarus coming to life is a biblical reference … which again, refers to spiritual revival, where the story may have been embellished also.

- Sun rises again after setting. Agreed. This happens as the earth spins. So what’s your point ...???

- Rivers flowing from Prophet’s (pbuh) fingers ….? This is a new one … where did you get this??

Your views debase divine message by reducing it to black-magic, voodoo crap. But then again, benign stupidity is better than violent fanaticism. May be Urstruly can still learn from you …

Reread my post #55. Nowhere does it limit power of Allah in any way. I supported my view from Quran … not speculative, irrational rhetoric. You are imagining things again.

Khamkhwa (#54):

“Khatam-un-nabiyeen”, literally meaning “Seal of prophets”, is an Arabic phrase implying “the most exalted prophet”. I have come across several references from old Arabic books which support this view. Nothing in Quran even remotely suggests end of prophethood. The flawed notion is mostly based upon incorrect translation of ahadith (saying of Prophet Muhammad, pbuh).

One similar misunderstanding is based upon ahadith foretelling appearance of “Issa-ibne-Marriam” among Muslims in latter days.

- Ahmadi-Muslims interpret this to mean appearance of a prophet among Muslims, who will bear spiritual resemblance to Issa-ibne-Marriam.

- Mainstream Muslims interpret it to mean that the same Issa … from two thousand years ago … will reappear, in physical form, from above the clouds.

Mainstream interpretation is laced with contradictions and absurdities. This Issa-ibne-Marriam will lead the worldwide Muslim population to final victory by shedding the blood of those who refuse to accept Islam. Did I mention that Islam is the religion of peace?

Ullema are of the opinion (cough, cough) that since Issa was raised to prophethood before Muhammad (pbuh), his reappearance does not violate the doctrine of “end of prophethood”.

I have pointed out that Quran describes Issa as a prophet for Israelites, and if he reappears, how can he lead the worldwide Muslim population? Quranic verses would be proven irrelevant and plain wrong if Issa becomes a prophet for Muslims worldwide. No comment from ullema on this.

When asked if this Issa will continue to receive divine revelation, Urstruly does not want to comment. Since the door to revelation is now closed (according to Urstruly), I guess Issa will no longer receive divine revelations. It would be somewhat of a disgrace … that Allah spoke with him in the past, but will no longer speak to him when Issa reappears. What a pity for Issa … no wonder he refuses to reappear ...

Finally … how the hell does a prophet reappear, alive, in physical form … more than two thousand years of his birth??? Kinda spooky ... isn`t it? The man died long ago. Naqshbandi’s response is simply …. Allah does what He wills ... whereas Urstruly cleverly remains silent on the issue. This suggests that one should retire reasoning and common sense when trying to understand their Islam … no wonder it makes no sense to anyone any more …

K,

Going by that logic you can count more than half of India too .. the amount of people I have seen at dargas is mind boggling ... from the staunchest hindus, sikhs, xians etc to muslims .......... ~2.6 billion and counting :-)

regards,

Re: # 57
...going to mazars is construed as islam...in that case half the chinese population who worship their dead would be considered muslim...hallelujah! muslims are almost two billion...

Re: # 18
hamidm, I am serious! From various comments you`ve had on chowk it appears you are actually from a sunni family who had correct beliefs (you mentioned once your ammi going to visit various mazaars)--so what on earth happened to you to turn you so far away from islam?

sattar,

Allah is Kulli Shay`in Qadeer. By limiting Him like that you are increasing in your kufr. Everything is created by Allah, from the motion of the tiniest quarks to the miracles to the largest supernovae and everything else. Qadianis are kafirs who have made Allah limited by scientific `laws`. He Almighty is He does as He pleases. Fire burns but if He orders it to become cool for Abraham it does so! New born infants do not speak but if He wills it so, Isa alayhisalam speaks in his cradle and Lazarus rises from the dead; and if He wills, the Sun rises again after setting, the Moon is split asunder and rivers flow from the fingers of the Prophet when the Prophet issues such commands; likewise the dead children of Hazrat Jabir are brought back to life at the command of Allah`s Habib--all these are from Allah`s Will and He does as He pleaseth.